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  10. # [00:19] <Domenic_> oh no, the multipage spec lags the singlepage one?
  11. # [00:22] <jgraham> Only by accident
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  13. # [00:24] <jgraham> pcwalton has a nice followup post to that article suggesting it is the wrong kind of approach
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  85. # [05:38] <Hixie_> Domenic_: it should only lag by about 10 minutes once i commit the changes.
  86. # [05:38] <Hixie_> Domenic_: which i usually do straight away.
  87. # [05:38] <Hixie_> Domenic_: (though with bigger changes sometimes it takes longer)
  88. # [05:38] <Hixie_> Domenic_: but sometimes the script braks.
  89. # [05:39] <Hixie_> breaks.
  90. # [05:39] <Hixie_> in other news, http://books.spec.whatwg.org/ and http://figures.spec.whatwg.org/
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  101. # [07:01] <tantek> thanks Hixie. Added: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#Example_Specifications
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  108. # [07:53] <Domenic_> OWFa looks pretty nice.
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  113. # [08:14] <tantek> Domenic_ OWFa is a decent non-org-specific RF patent declaration.
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  163. # [11:44] <matjas> tantek: any reason http://javascript.spec.whatwg.org/ is missing from that list?
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  187. # [13:01] <tantek> matjas - yes. That list is of examples of specs that are licensed with CC0+OWFa.
  188. # [13:02] <tantek> http://javascript.spec.whatwg.org/ has no license
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  190. # [13:03] <tantek> If you can add license text to it like http://fullscreen.spec.whatwg.org/ has (copy the paragraph with <p class="copyright"> ) then we can add it to the list.
  191. # [13:04] <matjas> tantek: done
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  194. # [13:08] <tantek> matjas: and done.
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  197. # [13:10] <matjas> \o/
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  259. # [15:49] <matjas> Hixie_: would you mind disabling XSS protection on http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?
  260. # [15:50] <matjas> Hixie_: i.e. add a `X-XSS-Protection: 0` HTTP header
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  280. # [16:59] <crocket> hi
  281. # [16:59] <crocket> Is selenium the way to go for web UI testing?
  282. # [17:00] <crocket> There are GUI test frameworks that wrap around selenium, which probably means selenium is difficult.
  283. # [17:00] <crocket> Robot framework and guitar framework use selenium for web tests.
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  286. # [17:04] <jgraham> I'm not sure that means selenium is difficult
  287. # [17:05] <jgraham> I would have designed it differently, but it seems to be the most widely used solution and is being standardised at W3C
  288. # [17:05] <crocket> jgraham, people complain that selenium is difficult.
  289. # [17:05] <crocket> Plus, I attended a conference today.
  290. # [17:05] <crocket> A speaker said guitar automated lots of tests that couldn't be automated with selenium.
  291. # [17:06] <crocket> guitar framework uses selenium.
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  295. # [17:06] <jgraham> That sounds like there is missing information
  296. # [17:06] <crocket> jgraham, like?
  297. # [17:07] <jgraham> If guitar (which I have never heard of) was purely selenium based, it would by definition have the capabilities of selenium
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  299. # [17:07] <crocket> jgraham, Actually, guitar uses selenium IDE.
  300. # [17:07] <crocket> It doesn't entirely depend on selenium.
  301. # [17:08] <crocket> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/guitar/index.php?title=File:Overview.jpg
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  303. # [17:08] <crocket> If guitar is so good as the speaker said, why is it unpopular?
  304. # [17:08] <darobin> if it's good, WTF is it doing on SourceForge?
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  307. # [17:09] <crocket> The fact that it's written in bash and java sends me a bad signal.
  308. # [17:09] <crocket> bash?
  309. # [17:09] <crocket> seriously?
  310. # [17:09] <darobin> nothing wrong with bash
  311. # [17:09] <crocket> Probably bash scripts are just wrapper scripts around java classes.
  312. # [17:09] <darobin> but java, seriously?
  313. # [17:10] <crocket> darobin, java is ok.
  314. # [17:10] <crocket> It is just not as good as other JVM languages.
  315. # [17:10] <Ms2ger> Heh, java
  316. # [17:10] <crocket> Even PHP has good softwares.
  317. # [17:10] <crocket> It's possible to write good softwares in java.
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  322. # [17:12] <crocket> The development on guitar is slow, too.
  323. # [17:13] <crocket> It's ok to have a project on sourceforge still.
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  326. # [17:15] <crocket> Evidences indicate that selenium might be a better bet.
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  349. # [17:40] <astearns> MikeSmith: thanks for the bugzilla connection - I'll see about re-enabling my spec script
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  376. # [18:34] <Ms2ger> marcosc, servo implements DocumentFragment now, beat that ;)
  377. # [18:38] <annevk> MikeSmith: for the Encoding component in WHATWG, could you make Bugzilla email www-international for each new and each resolved bug?
  378. # [18:38] <annevk> MikeSmith: similar to what we do for DOM
  379. # [18:39] <annevk> MikeSmith: FWIW, I discussed this with Richard and Addison
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  386. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> annevk: yup will do right now
  387. # [18:46] <annevk> thanks!
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  393. # [18:53] <jgraham> odinho: Is there any point to the tests under /IndexedDB/submissions/Microsoft/ or are they entirely covered by the /Opera/ tests?
  394. # [18:56] <odinho> Ouch. That question. I have repeatedly looked through the update they did, to see if I could find any new tidbits there. But I have not ever finished, and I seem to forget what I learned every time I don't finish.
  395. # [18:57] <annevk> Hixie_: you might want to read http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2013OctDec/
  396. # [18:57] <odinho> But it's about finding a potential very few assertions not covered in the Opera tests.
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  398. # [18:59] <marcosc> Ms2ger: I still can't land my patch because of the whitespace issue :(
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  400. # [18:59] <jgraham> odinho: Hmm
  401. # [18:59] <jgraham> It seems like no one has any time to work on IndexedDB tests these days. It's a problem :(
  402. # [19:00] <marcosc> Ms2ger: am I really the only person developing on a Mac?
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  404. # [19:00] <odinho> jgraham: Yeah, -- but there's lots of tests there :P
  405. # [19:00] <jgraham> In the short term I just want to know if I can delete http://web-platform.test:8000/IndexedDB/submissions/Microsoft/idbfactory_open.htm
  406. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> marcosc, maybe the only one who allows git to mess with their newlines
  407. # [19:01] * jgraham always felt that the whole "my VC changes my files" feature was misguided
  408. # [19:01] <marcosc> Ms2ger, it's very weird and a little sad :(
  409. # [19:02] <odinho> jgraham: Why that file in particular?
  410. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> jgraham, that's why it is :)
  411. # [19:02] <odinho> I can check.
  412. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> odinho, I bet it times out
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  414. # [19:02] <odinho> jgraham: Yes, I have that assertion.
  415. # [19:02] <jgraham> odinho: Does that file actually work for you?
  416. # [19:03] <jgraham> It just does nothing here
  417. # [19:03] <odinho> jgraham: I didn't test. I just checked if I had the assertion. https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Microsoft/idbfactory_open.htm
  418. # [19:03] <odinho> I have another test that tests the exact same.
  419. # [19:03] <jgraham> http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Microsoft/idbfactory_open.htm
  420. # [19:03] <odinho> jgraham: It passes here.
  421. # [19:04] <odinho> this is the same test: http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Opera/Microsoft-port/idbfactory_open.htm
  422. # [19:04] <odinho> Written in another way.
  423. # [19:04] <jgraham> Oh. I was sure that was failing on w3c-test.org for me
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  425. # [19:04] <jgraham> Oooh
  426. # [19:04] <jgraham> I disabled output locally
  427. # [19:05] <jgraham> Hmm, so it passes for me
  428. # [19:05] <jgraham> When I run it by hand
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  430. # [19:05] <jgraham> So, moving on…
  431. # [19:05] <jgraham> odinho: Thanks for your help
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  438. # [19:22] <annevk> I guess this is kinda new http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7034
  439. # [19:23] <annevk> IETF standardizing something that exists rather than getting all upset over the prefix and trying to create a new thing that doesn't have it
  440. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> Informational, of course
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  443. # [19:28] <annevk> Well yeah, there's that... I think everyone basically ignores that distinction, unless it happens to be in their advantage not to ignore it.
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  492. # [21:24] <zewt> seriously, can anyone give any plausible explanation for chrome suddenly reverting to window-modal alerts, it's maddening and insane
  493. # [21:25] <zewt> they did do it (like every other browser since 2009) and i'm not just going crazy, right?
  494. # [21:28] <odinho> Hmm. Don't remember the reason, but there was one.
  495. # [21:28] <odinho> Of javascript needing to block the entire js execution, -- and chromium is using one process per many tabs now, so it would have to actually stop running of all the tabs.
  496. # [21:29] <odinho> that was in the same process.
  497. # [21:29] <odinho> So it was better to rather block the whole window, because that is easier for users to understand.
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  505. # [21:46] <zewt> it's completely batshit insane; tab-modal alerts are one of the single biggest UX improvements in browsers since I've been using browsers
  506. # [21:49] <zewt> (meanwhile, Firefox does it in a single-process browser)
  507. # [21:56] <Domenic_> complaining about alerts feels like complaining about <marquee>... why are you still using it?
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