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  8. # [00:07] <Hixie_> abarth: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20701
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  10. # [00:07] <abarth> Hixie_: hi
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  12. # [00:08] <abarth> ok, i'll read up on the thread
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  24. # [00:32] <abarth> Hixie_: done
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  76. # [02:12] <rniwa> Hixie_: yt?
  77. # [02:12] <rniwa> aklein: yt?
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  121. # [04:10] <alancutter> heycam: I have a couple of queries about https://github.com/heycam/webidl/commit/cb90cd9f6678d7e565708468f3331dc11dacf249 is this a suitable forum for that?
  122. # [04:11] <heycam> hi alancutter
  123. # [04:11] <heycam> yes here's good
  124. # [04:12] <alancutter> It states that numeric and DOMStrings are now distinguishable.
  125. # [04:12] <alancutter> The spec doesn't seem to be very clear on how to distinguish values as one type over another however.
  126. # [04:13] <heycam> that should be handled as part of the overload resolution algorithm
  127. # [04:13] <heycam> http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-overload-resolution-algorithm
  128. # [04:13] <heycam> all of the substeps under step 10 is where the type of JS value is looked at
  129. # [04:14] <alancutter> Aha, I wasn't aware of that section, thanks!
  130. # [04:16] <heycam> it's not that obvious from reading the steps, but if you have overloading of boolean and a numeric type and DOMString, and you pass a Boolean, Number, or String value, then you choose the corresponding one
  131. # [04:16] <alancutter> Also a minor nit, the example given in http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-distinguishable of an invalid overload needs updating.
  132. # [04:16] <heycam> otherwise, you prefer to call the DOMString one first, if there is one, then a numeric type overload, then a boolean overload
  133. # [04:17] <heycam> alancutter, oh indeed, thanks
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  172. # [07:40] <rniwa> MikeSmith: yt?
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  186. # [08:09] <MikeSmith> rniwa: here now
  187. # [08:10] <rniwa> MikeSmith: i'm seeing an error that assert_not_undefined is undefined in some of tests
  188. # [08:10] <rniwa> MikeSmith: in a test that I imported from web-platform-tests
  189. # [08:10] <rniwa> MikeSmith: has this function been renamed?
  190. # [08:10] <MikeSmith> I don't think so, no
  191. # [08:10] <MikeSmith> lemme check
  192. # [08:11] <rniwa> MikeSmith: as far as I checked testharness.js, this function doesn't even exist :/
  193. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> ah ait
  194. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> yeah
  195. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> the test
  196. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> those imported tests must be relying on another file that defines it
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  198. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> you don't get any errors in the console?
  199. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> I mean 404s
  200. # [08:13] <rniwa> MikeSmith: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/search?q=assert_not_undefined&ref=cmdform
  201. # [08:13] <MikeSmith> I vaguely recall something about this
  202. # [08:13] <rniwa> MikeSmith: it's only used here and never defined anywhere :(
  203. # [08:13] * MikeSmith follows link
  204. # [08:13] <rniwa> the test also uses assert_not_null
  205. # [08:13] <rniwa> which doesn't exist either
  206. # [08:13] <rniwa> MikeSmith: let me fix it up by replacing them with assert_not_equals
  207. # [08:14] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  209. # [08:20] <MikeSmith> hmm those came from the unipro guys
  210. # [08:20] * MikeSmith is wondering how those tests made it past review
  211. # [08:20] <MikeSmith> tobie merged them
  212. # [08:22] <MikeSmith> rniwa: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/135#commits-pushed-381f0eb
  213. # [08:22] <MikeSmith> "assert_(not)_null and assert_(not)_undefined functions removed"
  214. # [08:23] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/381f0eb29e3a4a8fb1cd8b9511ca5dcf7252a197
  215. # [08:23] <MikeSmith> so the copies of the tests you have are stale
  216. # [08:23] <MikeSmith> probably
  217. # [08:23] <rniwa> MikeSmith: interesting
  218. # [08:23] <rniwa> MikeSmith: but I just cloned the repo right now :/
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  222. # [08:24] <rniwa> MikeSmith: oh, i think that change hasn't been pushed to w3c repo :(
  223. # [08:24] <rniwa> MikeSmith: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/html-templates/additions-to-the-steps-to-clone-a-node/template-clone-children.html
  224. # [08:25] <MikeSmith> yeah
  225. # [08:27] <MikeSmith> I can transplant the change set
  226. # [08:27] <rniwa> MikeSmith: also, the test has the wrong expectation for cloneNode()
  227. # [08:27] <rniwa> per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23565
  228. # [08:28] <MikeSmith> oh
  229. # [08:28] <rniwa> now that cloneNode() is equivalent to cloneNode(false)
  230. # [08:28] <MikeSmith> that's a different problem
  231. # [08:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: that indeed is a serious problem
  232. # [08:28] <MikeSmith> should have a separate PR for that I think
  233. # [08:28] <MikeSmith> yeah
  234. # [08:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: so what should we do about these tests?
  235. # [08:29] <MikeSmith> you have any way to flag them for now?
  236. # [08:29] <MikeSmith> as "don't run"
  237. # [08:29] <MikeSmith> for WebKit testing purposes I mean
  238. # [08:29] <rniwa> MikeSmith: well, i'm trying to import these tests so i'd rather fix the tests and run them
  239. # [08:29] <rniwa> MikeSmith: but suppose we need to wait for sgrekhov to push the changes to w3c repo
  240. # [08:30] <rniwa> and then separately fix the cloneNode issue
  241. # [08:30] <rniwa> MikeSmith: I can file a issue on w3c repo about cloneNode for now
  242. # [08:30] <MikeSmith> I can merge his changes
  243. # [08:30] <rniwa> MikeSmith: that'll be great :)
  244. # [08:30] <zcorpan> huh, firefox renders a glyph for U+000D (in live dom viewer's log)
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  246. # [08:32] <zcorpan> i also didn't know about catch (e if foo)
  247. # [08:33] <rniwa> MikeSmith: filed https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/439
  248. # [08:33] <MikeSmith> rniwa: thanks
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  251. # [08:38] <rniwa> MikeSmith: looks like parsing-html-templats/clearing-the-stack-back-to-a-given-context has the same issue (missing assert_not_undefined)
  252. # [08:39] <MikeSmith> yeah
  253. # [08:40] <MikeSmith> I count 19 files in that changeset
  254. # [08:40] <MikeSmith> that have either that or assert_not_null
  255. # [08:41] <rniwa> another interesting piece of information is that both Chrome & Firefox fail tests inside html-templates/additions-to-parsing-xhtml-documents
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  261. # [08:52] <rniwa> MikeSmith: one more question
  262. # [08:53] <rniwa> MikeSmith: the idea is that w3c's tests will all be hosted under https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/, right?
  263. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> yep
  264. # [08:53] <rniwa> MikeSmith: or will there be multiple repositories?
  265. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> one rep
  266. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> *repo
  267. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> is the goal
  268. # [08:53] <MikeSmith> including the CSS tests
  269. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> but currently the CSS tests are in a separate repo
  270. # [08:54] <rniwa> MikeSmith: excellent
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  279. # [09:06] <rniwa> MikeSmith: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2013-November/025876.html
  280. # [09:06] * MikeSmith looks
  281. # [09:07] <rniwa> MikeSmith: hopefully, we won't start another round of bike shedding this time :(
  282. # [09:07] <rniwa> MikeSmith: as much as I'm opinionated about this matter, I'd rather start importing tests now
  283. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> yeah, agreed, that's a better way to approach it
  284. # [09:08] <rniwa> MikeSmith: it helps a lot that W3C is moving all the tests into a single repository though
  285. # [09:08] <rniwa> MikeSmith: that makes things a lot easier for us
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  287. # [09:10] <MikeSmith> well we'll see if the CSS tests ever do actually get moved
  288. # [09:10] <MikeSmith> I guess I should try to be optomistic about that
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  291. # [09:12] <MikeSmith> heh
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  297. # [09:22] <rniwa> MikeSmith: I can always throw in my vote :D
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  299. # [09:24] <rniwa> MikeSmith: btw, i sent you an email about a meet up in tokyo if you have a time
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  301. # [09:24] * rniwa should get dinner soon
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  303. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> rniwa: let's definitely get together but new week is better for me
  304. # [09:25] <rniwa> MikeSmith: same here
  305. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> OK, let's plan on that for sure
  306. # [09:26] <rniwa> MikeSmith: i'm trying to get template element enabled by default in webkit this week :D
  307. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> rniwa: where you staying?
  308. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> rniwa: yeah, saw your webkit-dev mail about that
  309. # [09:26] <rniwa> MikeSmith: i'm staying at Hotel Niwa Tokyo
  310. # [09:26] <rniwa> but will be moving to Hotel Remm Akihabara on Sunday
  311. # [09:27] <rniwa> so anywhere along JR line would work for me
  312. # [09:27] <rniwa> but Apple is in Roppongi so metro works as well
  313. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> OK
  314. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> I'm right along the Oedo-sen, Nishishinjuku Go-Chome
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  316. # [09:27] <rniwa> ah
  317. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> so it only takes me 15 minutes to get out to Roppongi
  318. # [09:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: nice.
  319. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> but there are better places to eat
  320. # [09:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: i'm wondering if koji could come as well
  321. # [09:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: yeah
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  323. # [09:28] <rniwa> Restaurants in Roppongi are great but they're expensive as hell
  324. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> should ping koji
  325. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> yeah
  326. # [09:28] <rniwa> MikeSmith: I don't wanna pay $150 for a dinner like I did yesterday LOL
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  328. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> geez
  329. # [09:29] <rniwa> I know
  330. # [09:29] <rniwa> although that was for two poeple
  331. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> still
  332. # [09:29] <rniwa> so more like $70/person
  333. # [09:29] <rniwa> but it was still surprising given we didn't even drink alcohol.
  334. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> Nakano-ku is the best place to eat
  335. # [09:29] <rniwa> oh
  336. # [09:30] <rniwa> didn't know that
  337. # [09:30] <rniwa> west of shinjyuku?
  338. # [09:30] <rniwa> i actually think even shinjyuku will be a saner place to eat than roppongi LOL
  339. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> yeah
  340. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> yeah, shinjuku is always fine by me
  341. # [09:31] <rniwa> anyway, let's figure it out date & place over email
  342. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> OK
  343. # [09:31] <rniwa> i'm basically free any date other than monday & tuesday evenings
  344. # [09:32] <rniwa> (leaving on saturday afternoon)
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  347. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> 了解
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  350. # [09:34] <rniwa> MikeSmith: gatta get food now. thanks for the help for the tests. see you later.
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  352. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> see you
  353. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> have a good eveningin
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  378. # [10:16] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: what's the plan for w3c-test.org when wptserve lands?
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  402. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: to switch it over
  403. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> hopefully
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  405. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> if you mean as far as deploying wptserve there and getting rid of the php there
  406. # [10:57] <MikeSmith> though I guess that (surprise suprise) the thing that may prevent that is if the CSS WG
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  410. # [11:00] <MikeSmith> if they're relying on the php
  411. # [11:00] <zcorpan> hsivonen: do you have a pointer to your json bom email?
  412. # [11:01] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: does w3c-test.org host css wg tests?
  413. # [11:01] <MikeSmith> it does
  414. # [11:02] <MikeSmith> their tests get mirrored there automatically whenever they push
  415. # [11:02] <MikeSmith> mercurial
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  417. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> as we are doing for wpt
  418. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> except that from mercurial as we did for wpt beofre we moved to github
  419. # [11:04] <zcorpan> i see two .php files in the css repo
  420. # [11:04] <zcorpan> under incoming/
  421. # [11:04] <zcorpan> so that should be OK
  422. # [11:06] <zcorpan> which aren't even dynamic, so could be replaced with static files
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  424. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> ok
  425. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> good
  426. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> btw if anybody would like to merge https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/cef3e47ce2ef73ab2b791202c93cdad9a63a601e please do
  427. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> sgrekhov commit from an hour or so ago
  428. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> one of the unipro guys
  429. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> dammit
  430. # [11:15] <MikeSmith> he also include the change for the spec non-conformance thing that rniwa found
  431. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> in the same commit
  432. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> which, it's good that he fixed it, but better if he had done a separate commit
  433. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/sgrekhov/web-platform-tests/commit/cef3e47ce2ef73ab2b791202c93cdad9a63a601e#diff-de538db290d955367a1d544c773e7efcL62 is what I mean
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  448. # [11:44] <hsivonen> German Thunderbird defaults to ISO-8859-15 for outgoing email.
  449. # [11:44] * hsivonen disapproves
  450. # [11:46] <hsivonen> hmm. even the latest update to my ISO-8859-15 considered harmful post is 9 years old: http://hsivonen.fi/iso-8859-15/
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  461. # [12:26] <annevk> hsivonen: I like the English tl;dr
  462. # [12:26] <annevk> more like tl;du
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  465. # [12:30] <hsivonen> annevk: I disapprove of the linguists bikeshedding and then evangelizing an ISO-8859-1-incompatible encoding when 1) everyone should move to UTF-8 and 2) an ISO-8859-1-compatible 8-bit encoding with the relevant characters already exists (windows-1252)
  466. # [12:30] <hsivonen> annevk: it seems that the linguists were evangelizing ISO-8859-15 in the major newspaper at the time I wrote that
  467. # [12:31] <hsivonen> I can't remember if I sent the text to the newspaper and they rejected it and that's how I ended up putting it on the Web
  468. # [12:31] <hsivonen> the writing style looks like I intended it for the newspaper
  469. # [12:31] <hsivonen> can't recall
  470. # [12:32] <hsivonen> and it was sad that the Linux distros migrated from ISO-8859-1 to ISO-8859-15 in response to misguided evangelism
  471. # [12:32] <hsivonen> instead of going directly to UTF-8
  472. # [12:32] <annevk> sad panda
  473. # [12:32] <hsivonen> but fortunately, some time in the last 9 years, Linux distros converted to UTF-8 anyway
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  502. # [13:41] <hsivonen> makes writing test cases harder
  503. # [13:41] <hsivonen> (also makes one suspect the usefulness of HZ)
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  538. # [14:55] <zcorpan> jgraham: hmm, i made some changes to a separate branch and wanted to commit those changes, but it appears i also committed something for tools/pywebsocket and tools/wptserve
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  540. # [14:57] <jgraham> zcorpan: If you actually did, you should be able to get back to the previous state and redo the commit
  541. # [14:57] <jgraham> Like git reset --mixed HEAD~
  542. # [14:58] <jgraham> Which should leave the working tree alone, but reset HEAD to the commit before HEAD
  543. # [14:58] <jgraham> Then you can redo the last commit with just the changes you want
  544. # [15:00] <zcorpan> ok thanks. i see what i did wrong now. i thought i was in a subdirectory and did `git add *` but actually i was at the root
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  548. # [15:18] <zcorpan> thanks jgraham
  549. # [15:18] <jgraham> np
  550. # [15:19] <zcorpan> next up is making the tests reflect the current spec :-/
  551. # [15:20] <zcorpan> addEventListener needs to be properly tested, and i don't know how today's change affects the tests, if anything
  552. # [15:20] <jgraham> Today's change?
  553. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> We don't exactly have a lot of tests for addEventListener, I'm afraid
  554. # [15:21] <zcorpan> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8302&to=8303
  555. # [15:21] <jgraham> It's probably in the "well obviously *that* works" bucket of things that people don't bother writing tests for
  556. # [15:21] <Ms2ger> Until I find bugs in Servo's implementation :)
  557. # [15:22] <zewt> the real fun is xcode, which thinks it's smart and stages git changes all the time
  558. # [15:22] <zewt> need to find how to turn that off, causes me no end of grief
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  560. # [15:24] * jgraham has no idea if zewt intended that for this channel. Maybe it was related to the git conversion above
  561. # [15:27] <zcorpan> Hixie_: does http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8302&to=8303 change something that is interesting to write a test case for? does it affect this test http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/webappapis/scripting/processing-model-2/compile-error-in-body-onerror.html ?
  562. # [15:29] <jgraham> zcorpan: You saw that bz has some tests in the bug?
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  564. # [15:30] <jgraham> (I assume that the point of the change is that onfoo causes a syntax error only when it is actually called for the first time. But I didn't read it in detail)
  565. # [15:30] <jgraham> (assuming the attribute contains a script with a syntax error ofc)
  566. # [15:33] <zcorpan> ok so the spec previously required onerror to be invoked each time
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  568. # [15:34] <zcorpan> i think that was considered when opera implemented onerror and we concluded that it was possible to compile once but invoke onerror anyway
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  570. # [15:37] <zcorpan> i have http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/webappapis/scripting/processing-model-2/compile-error-in-attribute.html but it only fires one event
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  588. # [16:09] <jgraham> zcorpan: :-o
  589. # [16:10] <jgraham> What are we expected to do with all those .pl files?
  590. # [16:10] <zcorpan> jgraham: rewrite to web driver?
  591. # [16:11] <zcorpan> jgraham: someone was going to do that and wanted our .pl hacks as a starting point, i think
  592. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> .pl? Fun
  593. # [16:11] <zcorpan> jgraham: maybe that PR doesn't need to be merged, but rather dropped when there's a web driver thing as a separate PR
  594. # [16:11] <jgraham> zcorpan: OK
  595. # [16:12] <jgraham> Would be nice to have a comment to that effect
  596. # [16:12] <zcorpan> sure
  597. # [16:12] <jgraham> Also, good luck to whoever was going to rewrite those
  598. # [16:17] <SimonSapin> why does Thunderbird use different fonts for different character encodings? And very ugly fonts
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  600. # [16:17] <jgraham> Probably picks a font that it expects to have all the glyphs for that encoding, rather than doing per-glyph substitution
  601. # [16:18] <jgraham> But I don't know ofc
  602. # [16:18] <jgraham> And yeah, when people set far-east encodings it gets really ugly
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  612. # [16:38] <jgraham> Looks like Pointer Events is using the DOM 2 style of spec
  613. # [16:38] <jgraham> Would be nice if Respec didn't support that
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  622. # [16:46] <darobin> jgraham: get me 2-3 uninterrupted days in a row and I'll finally fix that...
  623. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> Heh
  624. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> Give darobin an uninterrupted week, he'll solve world hunger :)
  625. # [16:47] <darobin> I'll throw in cancer if you give me the weekend too :)
  626. # [16:48] * jgraham takes a grenade launcher to darobin's calendar
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  628. # [16:49] * darobin hopes that jgraham's aim is bad, the calendar isn't all that far away...
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  632. # [16:51] <jgraham> Don't worry it's only a minature one
  633. # [16:51] <jgraham> Big enough to blow holes in your schedule, not harmful to humans
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  635. # [16:51] <jgraham> Lego figures, on the other hand, should take cover
  636. # [16:52] <darobin> oh great, now my desk is a mess of Lego figures running all over the place
  637. # [16:52] <darobin> thanks, really
  638. # [16:52] * Ms2ger loves that picture
  639. # [16:52] <Ms2ger> (<picture>?)
  640. # [16:52] <miketaylr> >:|
  641. # [16:52] <miketaylr> what kinds of bad things would happen if you made DOM apis case-insensitive?
  642. # [16:53] <jgraham> All kinds of bad things
  643. # [16:53] <jgraham> War
  644. # [16:53] <jgraham> Famine
  645. # [16:53] <jgraham> Les Dennis
  646. # [16:54] <jgraham> miketaylr: (was that a serious question? And if so, what do you mean?)
  647. # [16:55] <miketaylr> jgraham: yeah, serious question
  648. # [16:55] <miketaylr> i mean,
  649. # [16:55] <miketaylr> what would you break if you allowed something like document.reQuEstFulLscrEen() to work
  650. # [16:55] <miketaylr> (other than hearts, perhaps)
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  652. # [16:56] <Ms2ger> That would mean putting 2**len functions on the prototypes?
  653. # [16:56] <jgraham> I think what would break would be your front door under a raging mob of TC39ers
  654. # [16:56] <miketaylr> heh
  655. # [16:56] * Ms2ger gives miketaylr his big "NO" rubber stamp
  656. # [16:56] <miketaylr> dang
  657. # [16:56] <miketaylr> was super close too
  658. # [16:57] <jgraham> Yeah, that just seems like a bad idea since js doesn't work like that
  659. # [16:57] <jgraham> (did VB(A) used to work like that?)
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  661. # [16:57] <miketaylr> actual issue, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743198#c5
  662. # [16:57] <miketaylr> (which doesn't require going case-insensitive)
  663. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> miketaylr, deployed sites have listened to our console warnings in the past
  664. # [16:58] <miketaylr> that's cool Ms2ger
  665. # [16:58] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  666. # [16:58] <miketaylr> i'm less optimistic (by nature, perhaps)
  667. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> So we'll go with that for now, and see where we end up
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  669. # [16:59] <odinho> Ms2ger: You didn't actually ever tell me what you wanted reviewed? So it was deemed boring enough for me to do it w m gf in the evening? :P
  670. # [16:59] <jgraham> Honestly if console warnings don't work, the spec should require support for both versions
  671. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> If it turns out we can't get away without the two, we'll spec and implement both
  672. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> But not before
  673. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> odinho, jgraham's review, probably
  674. # [17:00] <miketaylr> given the amount of "wrong" unprefixed on stackoverflow alone...
  675. # [17:00] <jgraham> odinho does code review with his girlfriend in the evenings?
  676. # [17:00] <miketaylr> anyhow let's pick up this conversation in a few years ^_^
  677. # [17:00] <Ms2ger> "code review", eh
  678. # [17:00] * Ms2ger winks
  679. # [17:00] <odinho> jgraham: True dat.
  680. # [17:01] <odinho> Ms2ger: I've done all the fun parts, CORS, SSE. It's that huge blob'o'XHR left last time I looked :P
  681. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> odinho, indeed
  682. # [17:01] <odinho> Ms2ger: Didn't dare starting. But I guess it should be possible to take one test at a time.
  683. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> I've cut off some slices of the huge blob'o'XHR already
  684. # [17:02] <Ms2ger> They mostly need someone who can read php more easily than me to check if the python is equivalent
  685. # [17:02] <odinho> Hmm. Okay. Yeah, we should really get it done. I feel a bit bad about that. It should go through.
  686. # [17:02] <odinho> Since I really like that branch ;]
  687. # [17:02] <odinho> Am thinking of doing a mini-testthewebforward with lstorset here in Oslo.
  688. # [17:03] <Ms2ger> Just the two of you, or? :)
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  690. # [17:03] <odinho> lol, no, we'll invite as many as we can. And getting Opera to pay for location etc.
  691. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> odinho, btw, I'm offering chocolate shipments for people who do reviews ;)
  692. # [17:05] <jgraham> FWIW "as many as we can" is not the strategy I would currently recommend
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  694. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> jgraham, depends on the definition of "can", I guess
  695. # [17:06] <jgraham> I think that it is worth specifically targetting the most experienced webdevs
  696. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, should be able to send your chocolate next week, btw
  697. # [17:06] <odinho> jgraham: Ah, yes. Well, that was the plan. Thinking 20-40 people in total. Something manageable.
  698. # [17:07] <jgraham> Right, that sounds good to me
  699. # [17:07] <odinho> e.g. I won't put my dad, mother, brother and sister there just because it'd be +4 :P
  700. # [17:08] <jgraham> They don't live in Trondheim?
  701. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> odinho, dunno, if they're as skilled as you? :)
  702. # [17:08] <odinho> jgraham: Stavanger.
  703. # [17:08] <odinho> Ms2ger: lol, implying I am skilled!
  704. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> odinho, not necessarily ;)
  705. # [17:09] <odinho> Hmm, true dat! :D
  706. # [17:09] <jgraham> odinho: That's even further away!
  707. # [17:09] <odinho> jgraham: we have trains, planes etc. in Norway too.
  708. # [17:10] <jgraham> Well if they are prepared to travel 500km for TestTWF they deserve to be invited just for the commitment
  709. # [17:10] <odinho> I'm sure they won't. :)
  710. # [17:12] <Ms2ger> odinho, maybe they'd like to see you once in a while :)
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  712. # [17:12] <jgraham> Maybe they can't stand the big city and he always has to go there?
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  714. # [17:13] <odinho> huh? -- Actually, they're trying to come here, but I never have the time to have visitors :P Always busy.
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  716. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> See, might want to invite them, then :)
  717. # [17:14] <odinho> No wonder when there's so much open to review all the time. :|
  718. # [17:14] <odinho> Not that I ever seem to get that far down on the todo list though.
  719. # [17:14] * Ms2ger will stop bothering odinho, so he can review
  720. # [17:14] <odinho> (and few others too, ref. our review problem)
  721. # [17:15] <odinho> I'm debugging internal repatching system atm.
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  771. # [18:24] <Hixie_> zcorpan: one implication of that change is that the scope chain is that of when the event first fires, not that of when the event handler is set
  772. # [18:26] <Hixie_> zcorpan: another is that getting the event handler when it's set to something that fails to compile calls onerror but doesn't throw
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  783. # [18:37] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  795. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> Good night, dglazkov
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  804. # [19:00] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: awesomeness :-)
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  832. # [20:18] <Hixie_> bholley: if you can get microsoft's input, regardless of how you get it, please do!
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  840. # [20:45] <Hixie_> input especially from mozilla and microsoft people on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22731 about atob() would be useful
  841. # [20:46] * Ms2ger looks
  842. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> I think we recently implemented the remove-all-spaces behaviour
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  844. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, Nightly and Aurora should implement the spec: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711180
  845. # [20:49] <Hixie_> please comment on the bug :-)
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  850. # [20:56] <Ms2ger> marcosc_, www-style@w3c.org? Does that even work?
  851. # [20:57] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Yeah.
  852. # [20:57] <marcosc_> I don't know... just thought it was funny that Chrome Dev Summit folks only mentioned those lists
  853. # [20:57] <marcosc_> like the rest of the W3C doesn't exist :)
  854. # [20:57] <miketaylr> ...so you're saying there's more lists.
  855. # [20:58] <marcosc_> heh
  856. # [20:58] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: AFAIK the list. is entirely optional for all lists
  857. # [20:58] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, not w3.org, btw
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