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  236. # [15:43] <werle> hey can anyone answer a question for me for the utf8 encoding spec?
  237. # [15:45] <annevk-cloud> werle: if you ask the question, maybe ;)
  238. # [15:46] <werle> It may just be too early for my brain
  239. # [15:46] <werle> but I'm having trouble with this step : 7. Let bytes be a list of bytes whose first byte is code point / 64count + offset.
  240. # [15:47] <werle> my implementation is in C
  241. # [15:47] <werle> and my problem is understanding the formula from the verbiage
  242. # [15:48] <werle> bytes[c++] = (code_point / pow(64.0, (float) count)) + offset;
  243. # [15:48] <werle> is that correct?
  244. # [15:49] <werle> annevk-cloud: thanks again
  245. # [15:49] <annevk-cloud> looks okay, not sure it's the most efficient to do it that way
  246. # [15:50] <annevk-cloud> In C you can do some bit shifting iirc, I recommend studying some implementations
  247. # [15:51] <annevk-cloud> The spec just describes a black box you need to be equivalent too, not identical
  248. # [15:55] <werle> ah great thanks !
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  254. # [16:33] <zewt> you definitely shouldn't have floating-point in utf-8-handling code :)
  255. # [16:34] <zewt> meanwhile, boggling at python multiprocessing breaking atexit
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  266. # [17:10] <werle> zewt: yes very true :)
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  276. # [17:43] <zewt> boggling at python twice in one day (where the hell is sigsetmask or sigprocmask)
  277. # [17:47] <zewt> "new in version 3.3" oh come on
  278. # [18:04] <odinho> Then use 3.3, it's very nice :)
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  288. # [19:22] <jgraham> odinho: Not helpful :p
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  290. # [19:28] * gsnedders still votes for dropping Py2 support in html5lib, even though it's practically impossible to do :P
  291. # [19:29] <jgraham> gsnedders: No you don't
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  293. # [19:31] <gsnedders> But it'd make all the changes I want to make to the input stream so much easier!
  294. # [19:36] <odinho> Now with Django finally supporting Python 3, I'll start porting quite a lot of code :)
  295. # [19:37] <gsnedders> Most of the stuff I support already runs on both, so it's now just a question of when I drop Py2.
  296. # [19:38] <odinho> Yeah. True dat. I fixed the few issues with the repatch scripts I have, in order to be able to run the tests on python 3.3. It has a nicer unittest module, with mocking.
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  321. # [21:07] <jgraham> odinho: Django eh? I'm sorry :p
  322. # [21:07] <jgraham> </troll>
  323. # [21:08] <gsnedders> Django is good, if you want all the magic it does.
  324. # [21:08] <jgraham> Even the ORM?
  325. # [21:09] <gsnedders> The ORM is okay, provided you don't want more than it does.
  326. # [21:10] <gsnedders> Also, sudo get me a drink.
  327. # [21:10] <zewt> been a couple years since i used it, but the main design failure i found in it was that it tried to give an API that pretends you're not on top of SQL at all
  328. # [21:10] <zewt> so the instant you had to do something they didn't think of, you had to drop all the way to building queries yourself
  329. # [21:12] <jgraham> Right, my limited experience of these things is that the level of control offered by SQLAlchemy is the minimum you need for applications that use SQL in a serious way
  330. # [21:12] <jgraham> So the idea of using something that's known to be much more limited isn't that appealing
  331. # [21:13] <zewt> also having an API that allows running on SQL and non-SQL data stores without the application knowing about it is ... useless
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  336. # [21:43] <odinho> The ORM is awesome.
  337. # [21:43] <odinho> So much better than SQLAlchemy(puke)
  338. # [21:46] <odinho> Lots of bugs. Took me ages to debug and find many of them.
  339. # [21:46] <odinho> I'm porting all systems in Desktop previously built on flask and sqlalchemy to Django.
  340. # [21:47] <odinho> I don't care about fighting with sqlalchemy anymore :)
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  346. # [22:33] <jgraham> odinho: I don't htink we can be friends
  347. # [22:33] <jgraham> Sorry
  348. # [22:33] <jgraham> ;)
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