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  181. # [14:18] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins, et al.: What's the story with pseudo-elements like ::after that require there to be content in the primary element? (E.g. why doesn't img::after work?)
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  183. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, img::after is a child of img, and replaced elements don't render their children
  184. # [14:25] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Why is ::after a child?
  185. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> Anyone have thoughts on the serialization of doctypes whose publicId/systemId contain quotes?
  186. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, that's just how they work :)
  187. # [14:26] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Any chance that could change to something more intuitive?
  188. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Not really
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  190. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> Say you have "h1:before {content: counter(chapno, upper-roman) ". "}"
  191. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> Would you want that number to be on a separate line?
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  199. # [14:42] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: escape the quotes somehow?
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  201. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, how? :)
  202. # [14:52] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: "somehow" in the annevk "User agents are encouraged to expose parse errors somehow." spirit
  203. # [14:53] * Ms2ger makes is "Escape the quotes with extreme prejudice"
  204. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, seriously though, afaict there's no way
  205. # [14:57] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I guess not if you want them to be round-trippable at least
  206. # [14:59] <Ms2ger> That's kind of the idea :)
  207. # [14:59] <MikeSmith> but if a valid doctype isn't allowed to have quotes in it, then I'd think nobody should expect a doctype with quotes in it will necessarily surive as-is after being (re)serialized
  208. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> They'd better nor :)
  209. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> not, even
  210. # [15:01] <MikeSmith> so you could have the serialization algorithm just, say, just skip them them
  211. # [15:01] <MikeSmith> (instead of attempting to escape them or do something else with them)
  212. # [15:02] <MikeSmith> but yeah otherwise I guess there's no way
  213. # [15:02] <MikeSmith> and by "skip them" I mean never append them to the output stream
  214. # [15:06] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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  216. # [15:07] * Ms2ger needs to get a recent IE somehow
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  225. # [15:14] <odinho> Ms2ger: Not that hard? Just d/l an virtualbox image or something?
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  227. # [15:14] <odinho> MS gives that out for free. At least did last time I needed it.
  228. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> Do you know where those are?
  229. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> I got a IE10-prerelease version that way
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  231. # [15:15] <odinho> http://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools < guess this one
  232. # [15:15] <odinho> Yeah, virtualbox for linux, and you get lots of ie's on lots of os'es.
  233. # [15:15] <Ms2ger> Oh, that's actually a MS site?
  234. # [15:15] <odinho> Mm
  235. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> Whois says yes
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  238. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> Ta
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  360. # [20:38] <malinus> Hello. How exactly am I supposed to use the "find" method? I want to search for specific tags, and have my parsed html document.
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  370. # [21:07] <malinus> When I'm trying to follow the example and set the encoding. I get this nice little exception thrown at me: "TypeError: Cannot explicitly set an encoding with a unicode string" from: html5lib.parse(source.text, treebuilder="lxml", encoding=source.encoding)
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  392. # [22:12] <SimonSapin> Hi malinus. What is 'source' in your code?
  393. # [22:13] <malinus> nvm. I've figured it out
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