/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2013-12-06 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 06 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  4. # [00:01] * Parts: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  5. # [00:02] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  6. # [00:02] * Quits: sgalineau (~sylvaing@192.150.10.207) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  7. # [00:04] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  8. # [00:05] * Parts: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  9. # [00:07] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  10. # [00:11] * Quits: baku (~baku@host-42-196-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  11. # [00:14] * Joins: sgalineau (~sylvaing@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  12. # [00:20] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  13. # [00:24] <JonathanNeal> @Hixie is there a particular place for me to make change proposals to the HTML5 spec?
  14. # [00:24] <Hixie> http://whatwg.org/newbug or http://whatwg.org/mailing-list#spec or here or ian@hixie.ch
  15. # [00:26] <JonathanNeal> The /newbug link redirects me to w3.org, am I in fact reporting it to them?
  16. # [00:26] <Hixie> the whatwg uses the w3.org bugzilla, just make sure the component is WHATWG
  17. # [00:26] <Hixie> product is WHATWG, rather
  18. # [00:26] <Hixie> component is HTML
  19. # [00:26] <JonathanNeal> Got it. Thanks. I'll setup an account.
  20. # [00:26] <Hixie> you can also use the little widget in the bottom right of the spec
  21. # [00:27] <Hixie> that files a bug for you
  22. # [00:27] <Hixie> without you having to have an account
  23. # [00:27] <JonathanNeal> In the meantime, if you have any particular thoughts, especially positive/negative effects that immediately come to mind, I'm working on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/subhead
  24. # [00:27] <Hixie> isn't that redundant with <hgroup>?
  25. # [00:28] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  26. # [00:29] <JonathanNeal> If you haven't clicked the link yet, the TOC has links that attempt to describe the differences between <subhead> and <hgroup>, as well as <aside>, and <small>.
  27. # [00:29] <Hixie> the part about <hgroup> on that page is just wrong
  28. # [00:29] <JonathanNeal> I more-or-less wrote it myself, so I am more than happy to correct it. What did I get wrong?
  29. # [00:30] <Hixie> the hgroup element does not force a pattern upon the markup where none previously existed
  30. # [00:30] <Hixie> and it doesn't exist simply to support a newly created outline algorithm
  31. # [00:31] <JonathanNeal> I agree that "simply" is unnecessary and a bit insulting. I'm sorry.
  32. # [00:31] <Hixie> it doesn't exist to support a newly created outline algorithm at all
  33. # [00:31] <Hixie> at best, the outline algorithm exists to support it
  34. # [00:31] <JonathanNeal> I do think the outline algorithm + hgroup redefines <h2>.
  35. # [00:31] <Hixie> well yeah, that's the idea
  36. # [00:31] * Quits: tomvg (~tom@94-224-62-192.access.telenet.be) (Quit: tomvg)
  37. # [00:32] <Hixie> people were using <h2> in that way
  38. # [00:32] <Hixie> this paves the cowpath
  39. # [00:32] <Hixie> as people say
  40. # [00:34] <JonathanNeal> Okay, I'm working on that section now. I'll let you know when it's updated.
  41. # [00:35] <Hixie> for the whatwg, the most important thing to do when filing a bug is to describe the problem
  42. # [00:35] <JonathanNeal> I presume you'll completely disagree with that point regardless.
  43. # [00:35] <jamesr__> TabAtkins: process and maintenance are implementor / spec writer concerns, which should be at the bottom of the hierarchy of constituents.
  44. # [00:36] <Hixie> the basic approach we take is first we describe the problem, and once we're agreed on what that is, and only then, we start looking at proposals for solutions
  45. # [00:36] <Hixie> and we evaluate them based on our understanding of the problem
  46. # [00:36] * Joins: jreading1 (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net)
  47. # [00:36] <Hixie> so the single most important thing to do is to make sure the problem is well described
  48. # [00:37] <Hixie> ("once we're agreed" meaning once the editor of the relevant spec has been convinced there's a problem)
  49. # [00:37] <Hixie> certain problems are very easy to convince editors of, e.g. "browsers don't do what the spec says"
  50. # [00:37] <Hixie> or "the spec contradicts itself"
  51. # [00:37] <Hixie> or "this is a use case that the spec doesn't support, and here is evidence that this use case matters"
  52. # [00:38] <JonathanNeal> @Hixie right, and that's more a matter for http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=ChangeProposals/hgroup&oldid=14091
  53. # [00:39] <Hixie> well, the whatwg doesn't really use the change proposals approach at all, that's more a w3c thing
  54. # [00:40] <Hixie> i'm just saying if you want to file a bug (and please do!), it's important to include in the bug a description of what the problem is. more important than anything else.
  55. # [00:41] <Hixie> i would generally recommend only including a problem description
  56. # [00:41] <Hixie> without a proposal to go with it
  57. # [00:42] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: sicking)
  58. # [00:42] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  59. # [00:43] * Parts: jreading1 (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net)
  60. # [00:44] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Client Quit)
  61. # [00:49] <JonathanNeal> @Hixie more accurate? http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/subhead#Difference_from_.3Chgroup.3E
  62. # [00:50] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  63. # [00:50] <Hixie> the <hgroup> element does not force a grouping pattern upon the markup where none previously existed
  64. # [00:51] <Hixie> the whole point of <hgroup> is that the grouping pattern _does_ previously exist
  65. # [00:51] <Hixie> we're just replacing what people are doing today with <div>, with <hgroup>
  66. # [00:51] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi)
  67. # [00:52] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  68. # [00:52] <Hixie> obviously if people want to not do it with <hgroup> they don't have to -- they can e.g. use <p>
  69. # [00:52] <JonathanNeal> Several of the examples on http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Hgroup_element do not replace a <div>
  70. # [00:52] <Hixie> (bylines and subheadings are very distinct things, by the way. i wouldn't recommend addressing them with the same solution.)
  71. # [00:53] <Hixie> which ones don't replace a <div>?
  72. # [00:53] <JonathanNeal> So the two bugs would be that hgroup does not address all real world scenarios, and it may create a situation where two different elements <hgroup>+<h2> vs <p> are used to markup the same kind of content.
  73. # [00:53] <Hixie> as far as i can tell, all those examples work great with <hgroup>
  74. # [00:54] <tantek> people still arguing about hgroup?
  75. # [00:54] <Hixie> nothing will address "all real world scenarios". that's not a worthy goal. it's incompatible with the goal of "a simple language".
  76. # [00:54] <Hixie> tantek: hey man, i'm just glad they stopped arguing about <acronym>.
  77. # [00:54] <tantek> LOL
  78. # [00:54] <JonathanNeal> Gutenberg, A Tale of Two Cities, one Apple example - I'm scrolling and noting them, there may be more.
  79. # [00:55] <Hixie> the gutenberg one works perfectly with hgroup? what am i missing
  80. # [00:55] <tantek> I've used hgroup. I put hgroup on the cover of my HTML5 book. However with all my experience hgroup is too esoteric to be included in "a simple language".
  81. # [00:55] <jamesr__> i put longdesc on my hgroups
  82. # [00:55] <tantek> It's not useful enough often enough.
  83. # [00:55] <Hixie> tantek: it's certainly not as mainstream as, say, <h1>, but i've been amazed at how many pages have subheadings.
  84. # [00:55] <JonathanNeal> @Hixie sure? http://viewsource.in/http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36/36-h/36-h.htm#L54-56
  85. # [00:56] <tantek> Hixie - yeah it fell to the rarer/esoteric side for me
  86. # [00:56] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: you just stick an <hgroup> around it and you're done. what's the issue?
  87. # [00:56] <tantek> I wanted to like hgroup. But it's just not relevant in practice.
  88. # [00:57] <JonathanNeal> You may enjoy http://viewsource.in/http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/#L15 for an interesting approach, @tantek
  89. # [00:57] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  90. # [00:57] <Hixie> tantek: i think on the samp to p axis, it's on the samp side, but nowhere near as far as things like dfn, or q, or the advanced ruby stuff that some people think is critical enough to add to html.
  91. # [00:57] <tantek> oh I'm a huge user of <aside>
  92. # [00:57] <tantek> like nearly EVERY blog post
  93. # [00:57] <tantek> it's so common
  94. # [00:58] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202)
  95. # [00:58] <tantek> Hixie, disagreed, I used dfn quite often
  96. # [00:58] <tantek> and q
  97. # [00:58] <tantek> well blockquote (I lump them together)
  98. # [00:58] <Hixie> tantek: and that's why we don't rely only on anecdata :-P
  99. # [00:58] <Hixie> (blockquote is much more common than q)
  100. # [00:58] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  101. # [00:58] <tantek> the advanced ruby stuff gets a pass because none of us here regularly publish japanese text on the web (except maybe MikeSmith?)
  102. # [00:59] <Hixie> that's the problem
  103. # [00:59] <Hixie> the people who would normally say no think "oh, i don't know enough about this, i'll just assume they know better"
  104. # [00:59] <Hixie> despite the fact that "they" don't know any better than the people who make proposals for esoteric english things
  105. # [00:59] <tantek> though that being said it would have been fine as an extension IMO
  106. # [01:00] <Hixie> (ruby itself is fine, i'm just talking about the extreme esoteric stuff)
  107. # [01:00] <tantek> re: samp - ironically I've even used samp and kbd more than hgroup in the past year
  108. # [01:00] <Hixie> (for the record)
  109. # [01:00] <tantek> Hixie - I'd put all of ruby into an extension
  110. # [01:00] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  111. # [01:01] <Hixie> basic and even semi-advanced ruby (basically, what WHATWG HTML supports today) is actually quite often used in CJK texts
  112. # [01:01] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  113. # [01:03] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  114. # [01:03] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  115. # [01:04] <tantek> Hixie - ok, will take your word that ;)
  116. # [01:09] * Quits: barnabywalters (~barnabywa@94-76-254-5.static.as29550.net) (Quit: Back to real life!)
  117. # [01:29] * Quits: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@64-46-23-103.dyn.novuscom.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  118. # [01:30] * Joins: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@64-46-23-103.dyn.novuscom.net)
  119. # [01:35] * Joins: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  120. # [01:35] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  121. # [01:36] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: sicking)
  122. # [01:40] * Quits: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  123. # [01:40] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  124. # [01:40] * Joins: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  125. # [01:42] * Joins: gavin___ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  126. # [01:49] * Quits: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  127. # [01:50] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102) (Quit: Leaving...)
  128. # [01:58] * Quits: decotii (~decotii@hq.croscon.com) (Quit: Leaving)
  129. # [01:59] * Joins: jreading (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net)
  130. # [01:59] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@c-76-126-173-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: tantek)
  131. # [02:00] * Quits: jreading (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net) (Client Quit)
  132. # [02:03] * Quits: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@192.150.10.205)
  133. # [02:08] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@76-10-148-233.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  134. # [02:09] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@162.217.72.77) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds)
  135. # [02:13] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@76-10-148-233.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  136. # [02:15] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  137. # [02:18] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  138. # [02:22] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  139. # [02:25] * Quits: WeirdAl (~chatzilla@g2spf.ask.info) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018])
  140. # [02:26] <rniwa> hayato_: yt?
  141. # [02:26] <hayato_> rniwa: just on keyboard.
  142. # [02:26] <rniwa> hayato_: what was the reason we have createdCallback as opposed to using constructor?
  143. # [02:27] <hayato_> rniwa: I am afraid that I am not right person to answer apis of custom elements.
  144. # [02:27] <rniwa> hayato_: dimitri?
  145. # [02:28] <hayato_> rniwa: yeah, dominic or dimitri is right person
  146. # [02:28] <rniwa> dglazkov: ping
  147. # [02:29] * Joins: jdaggett (~jdaggett@103.5.142.47)
  148. # [02:30] <rniwa> hayato_: okay, I guess I'll ask about it on public-webapps then thans
  149. # [02:30] <rniwa> thanks*
  150. # [02:31] <hayato_> rniwa: np
  151. # [02:31] <rniwa> hayato_: so... how do you feel about adding something like "template" option to document.register dictionary
  152. # [02:31] <rniwa> hayato_: where template refers to a template element
  153. # [02:31] <rniwa> hayato_: and then we'll auto-create a shadow DOM when this option is specified
  154. # [02:31] <rniwa> hayato_: we can define all of that stuff as an extension to custom elements specifications in the shadow DOM spec.
  155. # [02:32] <rniwa> hayato_: that'll allow us to at least ship the parts of shadow DOM that works for custom elements
  156. # [02:32] <rniwa> hayato_: without risking shipping underspec'ed/broken API for attaching shadow DOM to any element
  157. # [02:35] <hayato_> rniwa: I am afraid I have to read relevant topics on public-webapps carefully to answer that :)
  158. # [02:35] <rniwa> hayato_: okay
  159. # [02:36] <hayato_> rniwa: let me catch up.
  160. # [02:38] * Quits: seventh (seventh@207.207.22.52) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  161. # [02:39] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49) (Quit: Leaving.)
  162. # [02:41] <Domenic_> has someone documented how custom elements will work with es6 class syntax? document.register doesn't seem very declarative-syntax-friendly
  163. # [02:46] * Quits: jtcranmer (~jcranmer@ltsp2.csl.tjhsst.edu) (Remote host closed the connection)
  164. # [02:47] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  165. # [02:47] <rniwa> Domenic_: document.register's second object takes an object with prototype property
  166. # [02:47] <rniwa> Domenic_: so if you did
  167. # [02:47] <rniwa> class MyButton extends HTMLElement {
  168. # [02:47] <rniwa> ...
  169. # [02:47] <rniwa> }
  170. # [02:48] <rniwa> document.register('my-button', MyButton) should work
  171. # [02:48] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63)
  172. # [02:49] * Joins: mven_ (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  173. # [02:49] <Domenic_> rniwa: ah, thank you!
  174. # [02:50] <rniwa> Domenic_: but I don't know why we can't use constructor instead of createdCallback for initializing an element.
  175. # [02:51] <rniwa> Domenic_: it's so awkward in the world where we have ES6 classes
  176. # [02:51] * Quits: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-pwibacafkgifhxdw) (Quit: There's no place like home...)
  177. # [02:51] <Domenic_> rniwa: I remember dglazkov (I think) explaining to me once something about inheritance... but then that makes no sense since you can just call super() in subclass constructors, and classes by default do that I think.
  178. # [02:51] <rniwa> because then people can naturally define constructor() inside MyButton :/
  179. # [02:51] <rniwa> Domenic_: yeah
  180. # [02:51] <rniwa> Domenic_: we have to create the underlying DOM element first anyway
  181. # [02:52] <rniwa> Domenic_: i.e. super class
  182. # [02:52] <rniwa> Domenic_: or "super element" first
  183. # [02:52] <rniwa> Domenic_: so I don't understand what the point of having a separate createdCallback
  184. # [02:52] <rniwa> Domenic_: we were just looking at an example with ES6 classs
  185. # [02:52] <rniwa> Domenic_: and createdCallback looked just so awkward
  186. # [02:54] <Domenic_> rniwa: yeah i would love if you could get rid of it. i forget the reasoning. will monitor your progress closely.
  187. # [02:54] <Domenic_> also, vote for me for tag and i'll get rid of createdCallback! ;)
  188. # [02:54] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  189. # [02:55] * Joins: jtcranmer (~jcranmer@ltsp2.csl.tjhsst.edu)
  190. # [02:55] <rniwa> Domenic_: LOL
  191. # [02:55] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  192. # [02:56] <rniwa> Domenic_: so... I'll just make you a TAG and then send a formal objection in your way?
  193. # [02:56] <rniwa> Domenic_: sounds legit.
  194. # [02:56] <Domenic_> with my extensive knowledge of process i can assure you that it works exactly that way
  195. # [02:56] <Domenic_> </joke> (just in case)
  196. # [02:57] <rniwa> Domenic_: ah, you went to CalTech about the same time I would have gone to LOL
  197. # [02:58] <rniwa> Domenic_: I was going to attend there from 2008 through 2010 as a transfer student but CalTech wouldn't finance an international transfer student so I didn't go there.
  198. # [02:59] <Domenic_> rniwa: oh cool/sad!
  199. # [02:59] <rniwa> Domenic_: yeah... i would have loved to work on some quantum gravity craziness.
  200. # [02:59] <rniwa> although i was gonna major in CS.
  201. # [02:59] * rniwa stalks
  202. # [03:01] <Domenic_> i still get sad about once a month about abandoning physics and doing computers instead...
  203. # [03:02] <rniwa> Domenic_: yeah, physics is a lot of fun.
  204. # [03:02] <rniwa> Domenic_: unfortunately, i'm not smart enough to work on quantum gravity stuff though :(
  205. # [03:03] <rniwa> seems to require some IQ > 150
  206. # [03:03] <Domenic_> rniwa: I don't think anyone is ... I mean nobody's getting very far. Everyone just plugs away at their own stuff that is interesting but ultimately probably not going to be built on by many other people.
  207. # [03:03] <Domenic_> so it's more an experience than anything else, IMO :)
  208. # [03:04] <rniwa> Domenic_: I guess so although the recent discovery of Higg's Boson or an equivalent quantum particle would rule out a lot of alternative models out there
  209. # [03:04] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  210. # [03:05] <rniwa> Domenic_: I'm hoping to see the grand unification in my life time but maybe i'm too optimistic
  211. # [03:05] <rniwa> would be so cool to be working on that.
  212. # [03:05] <Domenic_> agreed on both of the above...
  213. # [03:06] * Quits: diffalot (~diffalot@c-76-107-128-104.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  214. # [03:07] * Joins: jreading (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net)
  215. # [03:07] * Quits: jreading (~Adium@ip98-169-193-48.dc.dc.cox.net) (Client Quit)
  216. # [03:07] <rniwa> Domenic_: on the other hand, I'm glad I don't have to have a constant fear of someone else figuring out what I've been studying for 10 years LOL.
  217. # [03:10] * Joins: diffalot (~diffalot@c-76-107-128-104.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)
  218. # [03:16] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  219. # [03:20] * Quits: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@64-46-23-103.dyn.novuscom.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  220. # [03:24] * ojan is now known as ojan_away
  221. # [03:27] * Quits: sgalineau (~sylvaing@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  222. # [03:29] * Joins: TheCyberCriminal (~quassel@124.123.170.232)
  223. # [03:29] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.104.248.getinternet.no) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  224. # [03:33] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134) (Quit: sys.exit(0) # computer went to sleep)
  225. # [03:34] * Joins: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  226. # [03:39] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  227. # [03:40] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  228. # [03:41] * Joins: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat)
  229. # [03:44] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  230. # [03:46] * Parts: TheCyberCriminal (~quassel@124.123.170.232) ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.")
  231. # [03:47] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  232. # [03:49] * Quits: jdaggett (~jdaggett@103.5.142.47) (Quit: jdaggett)
  233. # [03:54] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  234. # [03:57] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  235. # [04:05] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  236. # [04:07] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  237. # [04:08] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  238. # [04:35] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  239. # [04:41] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  240. # [04:41] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  241. # [04:47] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  242. # [04:48] * Joins: jdaggett (~jdaggett@ac233076.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp)
  243. # [05:05] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  244. # [05:05] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  245. # [05:05] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  246. # [05:09] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  247. # [05:10] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@23.16.55.40)
  248. # [05:11] * Quits: diffalot (~diffalot@c-76-107-128-104.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  249. # [05:11] * Quits: yoshiki__ (yoshiki@nat/google/x-cwjlxeajmmymaizk) (Quit: Leaving...)
  250. # [05:12] * Joins: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@c-98-210-38-110.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  251. # [05:23] * Joins: diffalot (~diffalot@c-76-107-128-104.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)
  252. # [05:28] * Parts: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.144.214)
  253. # [05:30] * Joins: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  254. # [05:32] * Quits: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@c-98-210-38-110.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  255. # [05:32] * Joins: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@c-98-210-38-110.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  256. # [05:39] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  257. # [05:39] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  258. # [05:45] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-44.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  259. # [06:11] * Quits: mittcoin (~mittcoin@c-98-225-154-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  260. # [06:13] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  261. # [06:17] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  262. # [06:18] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  263. # [06:20] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  264. # [06:35] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  265. # [06:40] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  266. # [06:42] * Quits: gnarf (gnarf@unaffiliated/gnarf) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  267. # [06:43] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  268. # [06:44] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  269. # [06:46] * Joins: gnarf (gnarf@unaffiliated/gnarf)
  270. # [06:51] * Joins: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.150)
  271. # [07:11] * Joins: plutoniix (~plutoniix@ppp-58-8-169-113.revip2.asianet.co.th)
  272. # [07:16] * Joins: sgalineau (~sylvaing@c-98-247-242-151.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  273. # [07:18] * Quits: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  274. # [07:21] * Quits: sgalineau (~sylvaing@c-98-247-242-151.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  275. # [07:22] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  276. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> rniwa: spec bug around parsing that may be relevant for you https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24017
  277. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> since you touched that code recently I think
  278. # [07:31] * Quits: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  279. # [07:31] * Joins: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  280. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> dunno what the spec change would be.. check for a document fragment as an anscenstor instead of checking for a template anscenstor?
  281. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> or as teh root I guess, not just anscestor
  282. # [07:33] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  283. # [07:34] <rniwa> MikeSmith: that one is for Hixie
  284. # [07:34] <rniwa> Hixie: but I think he might be having the same confusion I had earlier yesterday
  285. # [07:37] * Quits: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  286. # [07:40] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  287. # [07:40] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  288. # [07:45] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  289. # [07:46] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  290. # [07:47] <rniwa> MikeSmith: thanks for the info anyway :)
  291. # [07:47] * rniwa needs to go home now
  292. # [07:47] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114) (Quit: rniwa)
  293. # [07:50] * Quits: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat) (Remote host closed the connection)
  294. # [07:52] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  295. # [07:55] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
  296. # [08:00] * Quits: jdaggett (~jdaggett@ac233076.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) (Quit: jdaggett)
  297. # [08:03] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  298. # [08:07] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host86-147-25-174.range86-147.btcentralplus.com)
  299. # [08:10] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net)
  300. # [08:15] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  301. # [08:17] * Quits: [[zz]] (~zz]]@node-1c92.pool-101-108.dynamic.totbb.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  302. # [08:18] * Joins: [[zz]] (~zz]]@node-s77.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net)
  303. # [08:25] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172)
  304. # [08:25] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@176.216.100.172) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  305. # [08:30] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host86-147-25-174.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  306. # [08:31] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.104.248.getinternet.no)
  307. # [08:36] * Joins: SteveF_ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net)
  308. # [08:36] * Joins: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@70-36-56-110.dyn.novuscom.net)
  309. # [08:37] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  310. # [08:42] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  311. # [08:47] * Quits: plutoniix (~plutoniix@ppp-58-8-169-113.revip2.asianet.co.th) (Quit: จรลี จรลา)
  312. # [08:59] * Joins: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-bxfmifivmcdswgey)
  313. # [09:02] * Joins: yoshiki_ (yoshiki@nat/google/x-iomyrngcnfhyxyqw)
  314. # [09:09] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  315. # [09:12] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  316. # [09:13] * Joins: davve (~user@83.218.67.123)
  317. # [09:13] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@23.16.55.40) (Quit: sys.exit(0) # computer went to sleep)
  318. # [09:16] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  319. # [09:20] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  320. # [09:25] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@189.198-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
  321. # [09:29] * Joins: SteveF__ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net)
  322. # [09:29] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  323. # [09:29] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  324. # [09:31] * Joins: davve` (~user@83.218.67.123)
  325. # [09:32] * Quits: davve (~user@83.218.67.123) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  326. # [09:33] * Joins: kangil_ (~kangil@210.94.41.89)
  327. # [09:33] * Joins: boaz- (~boaz@li326-230.members.linode.com)
  328. # [09:33] * Joins: ivan\_ (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001)
  329. # [09:33] * Joins: Rubennn_ (~Rubennn@apher.gewooniets.nl)
  330. # [09:34] * Joins: Workmon (~Dashiva@74.125.121.65)
  331. # [09:35] * Joins: rwaldron- (rwaldron@gateway/shell/jquery.com/x-fpfnfqpieidfxwgl)
  332. # [09:35] * Quits: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Read error: No route to host)
  333. # [09:36] * Quits: davve` (~user@83.218.67.123) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  334. # [09:37] * Joins: pxz0 (pxz@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe93:309d)
  335. # [09:38] * Quits: rwaldron (rwaldron@gateway/shell/jquery.com/x-sodbalotseqljkxx) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  336. # [09:38] * Quits: SteveF_ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  337. # [09:38] * Quits: ivan\ (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  338. # [09:38] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  339. # [09:38] * Quits: boaz (~boaz@li326-230.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  340. # [09:38] * Quits: kangil (~kangil@210.94.41.89) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  341. # [09:38] * Quits: Rubennn (~Rubennn@apher.gewooniets.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  342. # [09:38] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  343. # [09:38] * Quits: pxz (~pxz@li146-216.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  344. # [09:38] * Quits: Workshiva (~Dashiva@74.125.121.65) (Remote host closed the connection)
  345. # [09:38] * boaz- is now known as boaz
  346. # [09:38] * pxz0 is now known as pxz
  347. # [09:38] * ivan\_ is now known as ivan\
  348. # [09:39] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@185.3.135.154)
  349. # [09:39] * Quits: zaal (~zaal@cpc1-nrwh11-2-0-cust348.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com) (Excess Flood)
  350. # [09:39] * Joins: roc (~chatzilla@121.99.129.155)
  351. # [09:40] * Joins: zaal (~zaal@cpc1-nrwh11-2-0-cust348.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com)
  352. # [09:41] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-44.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  353. # [09:49] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  354. # [09:50] * Quits: mven_ (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  355. # [09:52] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@c-50-168-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-7.1450hg.fc19 [XULRunner 25.0/20131030081700])
  356. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I don't know who manages evangelism bugs overall or what the conventions are but Abdul Rauf [:haseeb] seems to have resolved a number of bugs as invalid that really should be worksforme
  357. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> and resolved them all without any comment
  358. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&from=-14d&who=Abdulraufhaseeb%40gmail.com
  359. # [09:54] * Quits: vcarbune (~vcarbune@84-75-248-2.dclient.hispeed.ch) (Remote host closed the connection)
  360. # [09:55] <Ms2ger> Dunno, I guess either works
  361. # [09:56] * Joins: baku (~baku@host-42-196-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net)
  362. # [09:58] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.105.66)
  363. # [09:58] <dekiss> how can I make email newsletter like normal html5 web page or there is something different
  364. # [09:58] <dekiss> I need it to look good on outlook 2007 too
  365. # [10:00] * Joins: Maurice (copyman@5ED57922.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  366. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=952
  367. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> "Can't connect to the database"
  368. # [10:11] * Joins: Kolombiken (~Adium@gateway.creuna.se)
  369. # [10:11] * Quits: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@70-36-56-110.dyn.novuscom.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  370. # [10:15] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@78.109.80.74)
  371. # [10:19] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.104.248.getinternet.no) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  372. # [10:19] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Remote host closed the connection)
  373. # [10:19] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  374. # [10:24] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  375. # [10:34] * Joins: tomvg (~tom@kulnet-nat-2.kulnet.kuleuven.be)
  376. # [10:40] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.105.66) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  377. # [10:40] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  378. # [10:40] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  379. # [10:40] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218) (Client Quit)
  380. # [10:42] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  381. # [10:47] * Quits: fredy (~fredy@snf-8914.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) (Excess Flood)
  382. # [10:48] * Joins: fredy (~fredy@snf-8914.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr)
  383. # [10:53] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@81.143.60.194)
  384. # [10:54] * Quits: WesleyL (~WesleyL@irc.bierdopje.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  385. # [10:54] * Quits: odinho (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  386. # [10:54] * Quits: Krinkle|detached (~Krinkle@wikimedia/Krinkle) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  387. # [10:54] * Joins: WesleyL- (~WesleyL@irc.bierdopje.com)
  388. # [10:54] * Joins: odinho_ (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no)
  389. # [10:59] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Remote host closed the connection)
  390. # [10:59] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  391. # [11:00] * Joins: amtiskaw (uid19262@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vjfqpdviyrdbaewq)
  392. # [11:02] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  393. # [11:05] * Joins: Guest47906 (~Krinkle@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com)
  394. # [11:10] * Joins: barnabywalters (~barnabywa@46-239-239-203.tal.is)
  395. # [11:10] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  396. # [11:15] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  397. # [11:24] * Joins: davve (~user@83.218.67.123)
  398. # [11:31] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  399. # [11:33] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: i tried searching in google for an error message firefox logs in the console, to see what people are having trouble with. this one was a bit interesting http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11633162/character-encoding-not-declared-in-html-document
  400. # [11:34] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  401. # [11:34] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: thansk
  402. # [11:34] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: no idea why mariadb had died. Updated and restarted.
  403. # [11:35] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: it seems like at least some people are responding to the message by inserting encoding declarations, which is encouraging :-)
  404. # [11:37] <annevk-cloud> hsivonen: a blog entry on encoding UI would be good to document state of the art and trade offs made in 2013
  405. # [11:38] <annevk-cloud> hsivonen: e.g. the removal of iso-8859-8-i
  406. # [11:39] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud: I'm inclined to keep quiet for a while to see what complaints arise by people noticing problems on their own. Blogging might stir up concern trolling.
  407. # [11:40] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud: I'm OK with blogging some time later, though
  408. # [11:40] <annevk-cloud> coolio
  409. # [11:44] <annevk-cloud> There is a Chrome ICU bug btw
  410. # [11:55] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  411. # [11:55] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi)
  412. # [11:57] * Quits: fredy (~fredy@snf-8914.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) (Excess Flood)
  413. # [11:59] * Joins: fredy (~fredy@snf-8914.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr)
  414. # [12:08] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  415. # [12:08] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  416. # [12:08] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  417. # [12:08] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  418. # [12:09] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  419. # [12:09] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  420. # [12:10] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net)
  421. # [12:14] <zcorpan_> hmm. i think i've hit a bug in both presto and blink where <video> is garbage collected although it has a <track src> child with an onload handler
  422. # [12:15] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  423. # [12:15] * Quits: [[zz]] (~zz]]@node-s77.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  424. # [12:18] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  425. # [12:19] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  426. # [12:23] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: thanks
  427. # [12:26] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  428. # [12:26] <zcorpan_> seemingly the same bug in gecko
  429. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> Sounds like a feature, then ;)
  430. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> Is this Gecko with vtt support?
  431. # [12:28] <zcorpan_> yeah, flipped the pref
  432. # [12:28] <zcorpan_> gecko doesn't seem to fire 'load' on <track> when it does load, but i see the difference in the network tab
  433. # [12:30] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  434. # [12:30] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  435. # [12:32] <zcorpan_> https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/d32ea7bc?review=437
  436. # [12:33] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  437. # [12:34] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  438. # [12:35] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@ip-213-127-179-67.ip.prioritytelecom.net)
  439. # [12:35] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@ip-213-127-179-67.ip.prioritytelecom.net) (Changing host)
  440. # [12:35] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  441. # [12:39] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  442. # [12:43] <zcorpan_> i guess i should merge cssom and cssom view so that the wg doesn't end up publishing only one of them
  443. # [12:43] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  444. # [12:43] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  445. # [12:43] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  446. # [12:47] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  447. # [12:49] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  448. # [12:50] * Joins: felipeduardo (~felipedua@r253-pw-corumbatai.ibys.com.br)
  449. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> anybody up to date on what the state of support is for autocomplete= in UA?
  450. # [12:50] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  451. # [12:51] * Joins: Lachy_ (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  452. # [12:51] <MikeSmith> do any UAs support anything other than on/off for it?
  453. # [12:53] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  454. # [12:53] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  455. # [12:53] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  456. # [12:53] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  457. # [12:58] * Joins: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  458. # [13:00] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  459. # [13:03] <MikeSmith> it makes me sad that when certain people file bugs my first reaction is to assume their bug reports aren't useful
  460. # [13:03] * Joins: charl (~charl@2001:610:1908:2000:d2:92b3:cfce:ce4)
  461. # [13:03] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  462. # [13:04] <MikeSmith> since nearly all the previous bug reports they've raised have been useless
  463. # [13:05] <MikeSmith> problem is there's the one time out of two dozen or so bug reports where they're actually maybe reporting something useful
  464. # [13:06] <MikeSmith> the bug reporter who cried wolf
  465. # [13:06] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  466. # [13:09] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  467. # [13:09] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  468. # [13:09] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  469. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> The bug reporter who cried "implement longdesc"?
  470. # [13:12] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  471. # [13:15] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  472. # [13:18] <darobin> lol
  473. # [13:18] <Ms2ger> Might have been Hixie
  474. # [13:19] <Ms2ger> (It was)
  475. # [13:19] <Ms2ger> At least for SeaMonkey
  476. # [13:28] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@78.109.80.74) (Remote host closed the connection)
  477. # [13:34] * Joins: jdaggett (~jdaggett@ac233076.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp)
  478. # [13:41] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  479. # [13:44] * Quits: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.150) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  480. # [13:44] <MikeSmith> seriously we need some way to mod individual bugzilla comments up and down
  481. # [13:44] <MikeSmith> so that the usefull comments bubble up to the top of the bug and the ass comments get buried
  482. # [13:45] * Quits: roc (~chatzilla@121.99.129.155) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  483. # [13:48] <jgraham> That would work so well
  484. # [13:48] <jgraham> Particularly when bugs get picked up by reddit
  485. # [13:50] <jgraham> (actually in other cases it could maybe work OK, but dbaron's idea of having a continually updated summary might be better_
  486. # [13:50] <jgraham> s/_/)/
  487. # [13:53] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  488. # [13:55] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  489. # [13:56] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  490. # [13:56] <Ms2ger> jgraham, depends on who can vote
  491. # [14:00] * odinho_ is now known as odinho
  492. # [14:02] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  493. # [14:02] * Joins: [[zzz]] (~zz]]@node-s77.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net)
  494. # [14:03] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  495. # [14:17] * Quits: baku (~baku@host-42-196-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net) (Quit: Leaving)
  496. # [14:19] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  497. # [14:21] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  498. # [14:21] * Quits: jdaggett (~jdaggett@ac233076.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) (Quit: jdaggett)
  499. # [14:22] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  500. # [14:24] <zcorpan_> <http://www.w3.org/mid/52A1CBD6.10503@nokia.com>
  501. # [14:25] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  502. # [14:31] * Joins: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  503. # [14:31] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  504. # [14:32] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  505. # [14:32] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  506. # [14:32] * Joins: foxtrotwhiskey (~foxtrotwh@192-63-2457.unisys.com)
  507. # [14:37] * Joins: tj_vantoll (~Adium@2601:4:1400:6b6:9c5f:1351:9068:5375)
  508. # [14:40] <MikeSmith> I wonder how much more absurd the republishing circus can get
  509. # [14:40] <MikeSmith> the webapps wg has a choice about what it publishes and doesn't
  510. # [14:41] <MikeSmith> the W3C staff is not forcing the group to publish anything
  511. # [14:43] <MikeSmith> a bare-minimal principled stand that the group could take is that it doesn't republish a spec without making it crystal clear where the content came from
  512. # [14:44] <MikeSmith> ArtB: my recommendation is that the WebApps WG stop republishing the DOM Parsing and Serialization immediately
  513. # [14:45] <MikeSmith> and that it not start publishing it again until its able to make crystal clear who actually wrote the spec
  514. # [14:45] * Joins: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  515. # [14:45] <MikeSmith> oop
  516. # [14:45] <MikeSmith> s
  517. # [14:45] <MikeSmith> mean that for #wam
  518. # [14:46] <MikeSmith> or #testing rather
  519. # [14:49] * Joins: jreading (Adium@nat/novell/x-eugdiywiyoqcaxnv)
  520. # [14:49] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I think you misspelt #w3c-secret-treehouse
  521. # [14:49] * Parts: jreading (Adium@nat/novell/x-eugdiywiyoqcaxnv)
  522. # [14:50] <MikeSmith> heh
  523. # [14:53] * Quits: Lachy_ (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Remote host closed the connection)
  524. # [14:54] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  525. # [14:55] * mkelly_ is now known as Osmose1000
  526. # [14:57] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  527. # [14:57] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  528. # [14:59] * Joins: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  529. # [15:00] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  530. # [15:00] * Joins: decotii (~decotii@hq.croscon.com)
  531. # [15:07] * Joins: sayanee (~sayanee@210.23.18.247)
  532. # [15:08] * Quits: charl (~charl@2001:610:1908:2000:d2:92b3:cfce:ce4) (Quit: leaving)
  533. # [15:09] <karlcow> #wam as in "before you go go"
  534. # [15:12] <jgraham> "Last Christmas / I wrote you a spec / this year, to cause you some tears / I'll publish again with changes"
  535. # [15:15] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  536. # [15:15] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  537. # [15:16] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  538. # [15:17] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  539. # [15:18] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  540. # [15:20] * Workmon is now known as Workshiva
  541. # [15:26] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  542. # [15:27] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203)
  543. # [15:34] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  544. # [15:35] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  545. # [15:36] * Quits: sayanee (~sayanee@210.23.18.247)
  546. # [15:38] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  547. # [15:38] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  548. # [15:44] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  549. # [15:44] * Joins: jensnockert_ (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  550. # [15:46] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  551. # [15:47] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  552. # [15:48] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  553. # [15:52] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@88.255.234.170)
  554. # [15:53] * Quits: morrita (uid16889@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fiireatnhflyykwc) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
  555. # [15:53] * Joins: ihab1 (~Adium@88.255.234.170)
  556. # [15:54] * Parts: ihab1 (~Adium@88.255.234.170)
  557. # [15:56] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  558. # [15:57] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@88.255.234.170) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  559. # [15:58] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  560. # [15:58] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  561. # [16:00] * Joins: ehsan_ (~ehsan@66.207.208.102)
  562. # [16:02] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  563. # [16:02] <dekiss> after I migrated the wordpress website in the html code relative links that begin with /wp-content/.. are not working but if I change them to wp-content/.. they are working, I am confused with this, is this the normal behaviour, relative links in html code should begin with /wp-content/.. or wp-content/.. ?
  564. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> Everywhere on foo.com, /x/.. refers to foo.com/x/..
  565. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> On foo.com/a/b.html, x/.. refers to foo.com/a/x/..
  566. # [16:08] * Joins: encryptd_fractal (~mfrawley@66-188-99-174.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com)
  567. # [16:08] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@185.3.135.154) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  568. # [16:10] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net)
  569. # [16:12] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  570. # [16:13] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  571. # [16:13] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Client Quit)
  572. # [16:14] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  573. # [16:15] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  574. # [16:16] * Quits: Kolombiken (~Adium@gateway.creuna.se) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  575. # [16:17] * Joins: erichynds (~erichynds@64.206.121.41)
  576. # [16:29] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  577. # [16:30] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  578. # [16:31] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202)
  579. # [16:34] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  580. # [16:34] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  581. # [16:38] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  582. # [16:41] * Quits: jtcranmer (~jcranmer@ltsp2.csl.tjhsst.edu) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  583. # [16:43] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  584. # [16:43] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  585. # [16:46] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  586. # [16:48] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  587. # [16:48] * Joins: jtcranmer (~jcranmer@ltsp2.csl.tjhsst.edu)
  588. # [16:49] * Quits: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@c-98-210-38-110.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  589. # [16:51] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  590. # [16:59] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  591. # [17:00] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  592. # [17:02] * Joins: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  593. # [17:03] * Joins: rubatdub (~khalil@213.188.180.185)
  594. # [17:03] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  595. # [17:06] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@46.19.141.158)
  596. # [17:10] * Joins: danjesus (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  597. # [17:11] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  598. # [17:14] * Joins: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  599. # [17:14] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  600. # [17:17] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@46.19.141.158) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  601. # [17:18] * Quits: jensnockert_ (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  602. # [17:19] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  603. # [17:19] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  604. # [17:23] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  605. # [17:23] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  606. # [17:26] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  607. # [17:26] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  608. # [17:29] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  609. # [17:30] * Quits: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  610. # [17:30] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@62-210-167-198.rev.poneytelecom.eu)
  611. # [17:31] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  612. # [17:34] * Joins: sgalineau (~sylvaing@192.150.22.5)
  613. # [17:35] * Quits: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  614. # [17:36] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@189.198-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) (Quit: nn)
  615. # [17:42] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  616. # [17:42] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  617. # [17:44] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  618. # [17:44] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  619. # [17:45] * Joins: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@192.150.10.205)
  620. # [17:46] * Joins: adactio (~adactio@212.42.170.181)
  621. # [17:47] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  622. # [17:47] <dekiss> Ms2ger thank you.. sorry just saw now
  623. # [17:48] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  624. # [17:48] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  625. # [17:48] * Quits: rubatdub (~khalil@213.188.180.185) (Quit: Quitte)
  626. # [17:56] * Quits: rektide (~rektide@eldergods.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  627. # [17:56] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  628. # [17:56] * Quits: paul_irish (~paul_iris@ve.hsh6wjwx.vesrv.com) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
  629. # [17:56] * Quits: hober (~ted@unaffiliated/hober) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  630. # [17:57] * Quits: brainproxy (~brainprox@pdpc/supporter/gold/brainproxy) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  631. # [17:57] <JonathanNeal> SteveF__: you have a doppelganger.
  632. # [17:57] * Joins: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  633. # [17:57] * Joins: rektide (~rektide@eldergods.com)
  634. # [17:58] * Joins: paul_irish (~paul_iris@ve.hsh6wjwx.vesrv.com)
  635. # [17:58] <JonathanNeal> Who doesn't like discussing HTML much.
  636. # [17:58] * Joins: hober (~ted@unaffiliated/hober)
  637. # [17:58] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  638. # [17:59] * Quits: bzalasky (~bzalasky@c-67-188-211-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  639. # [17:59] * Joins: brainproxy (~brainprox@pdpc/supporter/gold/brainproxy)
  640. # [18:00] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  641. # [18:01] <SteveF__> JonathanNeal: probably
  642. # [18:03] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-44.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  643. # [18:05] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  644. # [18:06] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  645. # [18:08] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  646. # [18:10] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  647. # [18:14] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  648. # [18:15] * Joins: ap (~ap@c-24-130-62-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  649. # [18:24] * Joins: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-hvgrnzqvcvwtsuvi)
  650. # [18:28] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  651. # [18:29] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-98-117-166-14.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  652. # [18:30] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@81.143.60.194) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  653. # [18:33] * Quits: SteveF__ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  654. # [18:36] * Quits: barnabywalters (~barnabywa@46-239-239-203.tal.is) (Quit: Back to real life!)
  655. # [18:38] * Joins: jreading (Adium@nat/novell/x-qxykjpkazjnldfdd)
  656. # [18:40] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  657. # [18:43] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  658. # [18:43] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  659. # [18:43] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Client Quit)
  660. # [18:44] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  661. # [18:46] * Quits: Scorchin (sid1242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohoqccsrwqdqmnff) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  662. # [18:50] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  663. # [18:50] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  664. # [18:50] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134)
  665. # [18:51] * Quits: gavin___ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  666. # [18:51] * Quits: Guest47906 (~Krinkle@ec2-50-112-50-28.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) (Changing host)
  667. # [18:51] * Joins: Guest47906 (~Krinkle@wikimedia/Krinkle)
  668. # [18:51] * Guest47906 is now known as Krinkle
  669. # [18:52] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  670. # [18:53] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  671. # [18:53] * Quits: JakeA (uid3836@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjuycwwsqbietnja) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  672. # [18:53] * Quits: astearns (sid15080@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbzjjtpxhjyoznbp) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  673. # [18:54] * Quits: foolip (uid3586@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twiktnopoveihimw) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  674. # [18:54] * Quits: cwilso (sid10206@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lcriuzugnoavvqyi) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  675. # [18:54] * Quits: Domenic_ (sid10976@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjydckesemhslsbo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  676. # [18:54] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  677. # [18:56] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202) (Remote host closed the connection)
  678. # [18:57] * Joins: JakeA (uid3836@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ephnhimobwsemoub)
  679. # [18:57] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.202)
  680. # [18:58] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202)
  681. # [18:58] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.202) (Remote host closed the connection)
  682. # [18:58] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.203)
  683. # [18:59] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  684. # [18:59] * Quits: zaal (~zaal@cpc1-nrwh11-2-0-cust348.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com) (Excess Flood)
  685. # [18:59] * Joins: zaal (~zaal@cpc1-nrwh11-2-0-cust348.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com)
  686. # [18:59] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  687. # [19:00] * Parts: adactio (~adactio@212.42.170.181)
  688. # [19:00] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  689. # [19:00] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  690. # [19:02] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Client Quit)
  691. # [19:02] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  692. # [19:02] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.202) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  693. # [19:03] <zewt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0768.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013OctDec/0770.html as little as I care about anything related to "process", this reply is excellently bewildering
  694. # [19:03] * Joins: Domenic_ (sid10976@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dykwqyfghcenwncw)
  695. # [19:04] * Joins: Scorchin (sid1242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uoeuyjgvgpdmwbxo)
  696. # [19:04] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Client Quit)
  697. # [19:05] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  698. # [19:05] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  699. # [19:07] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Client Quit)
  700. # [19:08] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  701. # [19:09] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  702. # [19:11] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net)
  703. # [19:12] * Joins: astearns (sid15080@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jixsplxwnemjoeuq)
  704. # [19:15] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  705. # [19:16] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  706. # [19:17] * Joins: foolip (uid3586@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sstxqytfibharplp)
  707. # [19:17] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  708. # [19:18] * Joins: cwilso (sid10206@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iylyzcwekpsfjueb)
  709. # [19:19] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  710. # [19:19] * Quits: zaal (~zaal@cpc1-nrwh11-2-0-cust348.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: zaal)
  711. # [19:21] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  712. # [19:21] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  713. # [19:21] * Joins: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93)
  714. # [19:26] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  715. # [19:26] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  716. # [19:28] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  717. # [19:29] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  718. # [19:31] * Joins: SteveF_ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net)
  719. # [19:31] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94)
  720. # [19:32] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  721. # [19:36] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94) (Client Quit)
  722. # [19:38] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  723. # [19:38] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Remote host closed the connection)
  724. # [19:39] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  725. # [19:40] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  726. # [19:40] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  727. # [19:40] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  728. # [19:41] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  729. # [19:43] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  730. # [19:43] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  731. # [19:45] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  732. # [19:50] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  733. # [19:50] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  734. # [19:54] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  735. # [19:54] * Quits: SteveF_ (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018])
  736. # [19:55] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Client Quit)
  737. # [19:56] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net)
  738. # [19:58] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  739. # [19:58] * Joins: jorgepedret (~jorgepedr@64-46-23-103.dyn.novuscom.net)
  740. # [19:59] * Quits: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-98-117-166-14.bflony.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  741. # [19:59] * Quits: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-bxfmifivmcdswgey) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  742. # [19:59] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  743. # [20:01] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  744. # [20:03] * Joins: mven (~mven@169.241.49.184)
  745. # [20:06] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94)
  746. # [20:08] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  747. # [20:09] <jamesr__> i guess he's upset about something but doesn't want to throw accusations around?
  748. # [20:09] <jamesr__> but now i don't know what he's upset about
  749. # [20:17] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  750. # [20:18] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  751. # [20:19] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  752. # [20:20] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  753. # [20:20] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  754. # [20:30] * Joins: TuRnaD0 (~Thunderbi@x1-6-e0-46-9a-1e-fe-ca.cpe.webspeed.dk)
  755. # [20:32] * Quits: yoav (~yoav@sdo26-1-78-245-148-181.fbx.proxad.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  756. # [20:32] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  757. # [20:35] * Joins: saba (~foo@unaffiliated/saba)
  758. # [20:37] <MikeSmith> zewt: jgraham pointed out that that pair of messages is only bewildering if you consider Bjorn to be a single person as a opposed to a collective
  759. # [20:38] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  760. # [20:38] <MikeSmith> so the first message was sent by Objector Bjorn
  761. # [20:39] <MikeSmith> and then Art's message should have got routed to the Problem Solver Bjorn part
  762. # [20:39] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-44.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  763. # [20:40] <MikeSmith> but that part of the collective doesn't seem to be operating at all right now and hasn't been for a long time
  764. # [20:40] <MikeSmith> so there was a kind of "does not compute" malfunction in the collective
  765. # [20:41] <MikeSmith> hence the second message
  766. # [20:41] <MikeSmith> I think for greater efficiency the collective should just throw in these kind of cases
  767. # [20:42] <MikeSmith> ProblemSolverNotFoundException
  768. # [20:42] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: sicking)
  769. # [20:42] <Hixie> "but that part of the collective doesn't seem to be operating at all right now and hasn't been for a long time" has got to be the most subtle yet cutting put-down i've heard in weeks
  770. # [20:42] * Joins: yoav (~yoav@sdo26-1-78-245-148-181.fbx.proxad.net)
  771. # [20:43] * Hixie doffs his hat to MikeSmith
  772. # [20:44] <astearns> 503 Service Unavailable
  773. # [20:45] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203)
  774. # [20:47] <MikeSmith> no put-down intended. I'm all about Love and positive vibrations. ask anybody :)
  775. # [20:48] * Joins: tantek_ (~tantek@172.56.16.203)
  776. # [20:48] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  777. # [20:49] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  778. # [20:51] * Joins: juliet (~css@unaffiliated/css)
  779. # [20:51] * Quits: tantek_ (~tantek@172.56.16.203) (Client Quit)
  780. # [20:51] <MikeSmith> anyway I guess I've trolololled out my full quota for the day and should get some sleep
  781. # [20:52] <MikeSmith> nn
  782. # [20:53] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  783. # [20:53] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  784. # [20:53] * Quits: sankha93 (~Instantbi@fsf/emeritus/sankha93) (Quit: Gone to save the world!)
  785. # [20:56] <gsnedders> Anyone got suggestions on how to find the encoding of unlabelled content, given an aim to be accurate and not fast? Language-identification + dictionary matching seems like a possibly useful approach, but would take a fair bit of tweaking to be accurate I fear.
  786. # [20:56] <gsnedders> (Well, being fast isn't a problem, it just isn't the aim. Accuracy is more important.)
  787. # [20:59] * Joins: shannonmoeller (~shannonmo@pool-108-17-8-225.bflony.fios.verizon.net)
  788. # [20:59] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94) (Quit: weinig)
  789. # [21:01] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  790. # [21:03] * Joins: tantek_ (~tantek@172.56.16.203)
  791. # [21:03] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  792. # [21:04] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  793. # [21:05] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203) (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
  794. # [21:05] * tantek_ is now known as tantek
  795. # [21:07] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203) (Client Quit)
  796. # [21:09] * Quits: kochi (~kochi@2401:fa00:4:1000:26be:5ff:fe03:db82) (Read error: No route to host)
  797. # [21:11] * Joins: kochi (~kochi@2401:fa00:4:1000:26be:5ff:fe03:db82)
  798. # [21:13] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  799. # [21:17] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  800. # [21:22] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  801. # [21:23] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  802. # [21:23] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  803. # [21:27] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  804. # [21:27] * Joins: ewmanfogmachine (43a64dc1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.166.77.193)
  805. # [21:28] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  806. # [21:30] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  807. # [21:31] * Joins: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  808. # [21:34] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  809. # [21:34] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203)
  810. # [21:37] * Quits: ap (~ap@c-24-130-62-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ap)
  811. # [21:37] * Quits: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  812. # [21:39] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: I assume you know about this? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/charade
  813. # [21:39] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  814. # [21:40] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  815. # [21:40] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  816. # [21:43] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  817. # [21:43] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Yeah, indeed. Need something more accurate for more documents.
  818. # [21:43] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi)
  819. # [21:44] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203) (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
  820. # [21:44] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  821. # [21:47] * Quits: felipeduardo (~felipedua@r253-pw-corumbatai.ibys.com.br) (Quit: Leaving)
  822. # [21:51] * Quits: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  823. # [21:52] * Quits: saba (~foo@unaffiliated/saba) (Quit: leaving)
  824. # [21:54] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  825. # [21:55] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  826. # [21:55] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  827. # [21:59] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  828. # [22:02] * Quits: beowulf (~sstewart@pdpc/supporter/professional/beowulf) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  829. # [22:07] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94)
  830. # [22:10] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net)
  831. # [22:15] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@host-92-24-48-66.ppp.as43234.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  832. # [22:15] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218)
  833. # [22:15] <dekiss> footer element works on older browsers?
  834. # [22:19] <Hixie> define "work"
  835. # [22:19] <Hixie> :-)
  836. # [22:20] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  837. # [22:20] <dekiss> the website will show you know the website will render in the browser?
  838. # [22:20] <dekiss> I am reading some articles now suggesting making those elements display block
  839. # [22:23] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  840. # [22:24] <Hixie> yes, footer won't break in legacy browsers
  841. # [22:24] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@nat/mozilla/x-zxydivpbkpzkolzy)
  842. # [22:24] <Hixie> it's only in edge case things that you might have trouble
  843. # [22:24] <Hixie> e.g. in legacy browsers <footer> is treated more like <span> than <div>
  844. # [22:24] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  845. # [22:24] <Hixie> so it doesn't close <p> elements implicitly
  846. # [22:24] <Hixie> brb
  847. # [22:25] * Quits: Hixie (~ianh@178.255.149.100) (Quit: brb)
  848. # [22:25] * Joins: Hixie (~ianh@178.255.149.100)
  849. # [22:26] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  850. # [22:27] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  851. # [22:30] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Remote host closed the connection)
  852. # [22:30] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  853. # [22:31] * Quits: Benvie_ (~bbenvie@guest-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  854. # [22:35] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  855. # [22:35] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  856. # [22:35] * Joins: Benvie (~bbenvie@guest-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  857. # [22:37] * Quits: idbentley (~idbentley@204.91.28.98) (Quit: Leaving)
  858. # [22:38] * Quits: Hixie (~ianh@178.255.149.100) (Quit: brb)
  859. # [22:38] * Joins: Hixie (~ianh@178.255.149.100)
  860. # [22:39] * Joins: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  861. # [22:40] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.28.24.218) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  862. # [22:40] * Joins: dekiss (~dekiss@77.29.85.234)
  863. # [22:40] * Quits: foxtrotwhiskey (~foxtrotwh@192-63-2457.unisys.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  864. # [22:41] <dekiss> Hixie thanks
  865. # [22:41] * Quits: dekiss (~dekiss@77.29.85.234) (Client Quit)
  866. # [22:42] * Joins: danjesu__ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208)
  867. # [22:42] * Quits: danjesus (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  868. # [22:42] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  869. # [22:44] * Quits: danjesus_ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  870. # [22:45] * Joins: ^esc_ (~esc-ape@77.119.132.87.wireless.dyn.drei.com)
  871. # [22:46] * Quits: danjesu__ (~danjesus@187.11.123.208) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  872. # [22:47] * Quits: ^esc (~esc-ape@091-141-000-027.dyn.orange.at) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  873. # [22:48] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: :tiuQ tiuq sah woclrak)
  874. # [22:51] * Joins: ihab1 (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  875. # [22:51] * Quits: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  876. # [22:51] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  877. # [22:52] * Quits: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  878. # [22:54] * Joins: jensnockert (~jensnocke@dynamic.1.24.64e950153c80.01b11587a2c.afb.bredband2.com)
  879. # [22:57] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  880. # [22:58] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  881. # [22:58] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.202)
  882. # [23:00] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  883. # [23:00] * Quits: jreading (Adium@nat/novell/x-qxykjpkazjnldfdd) (Quit: Leaving.)
  884. # [23:01] * Joins: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be)
  885. # [23:01] * Quits: roven (~roven@78-20-24-80.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
  886. # [23:02] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  887. # [23:02] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203)
  888. # [23:03] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.202) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  889. # [23:06] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.6.94) (Quit: weinig)
  890. # [23:06] <Hixie> ok, message ports and catastrophic failures.
  891. # [23:06] <Hixie> i guess we need an event name for "the other side didn't get GC'ed, but it went away prematurely, and you are never gonna hear back from them"
  892. # [23:06] <Hixie> ontheothersidedidnotgetgcedbutdidgoawayprematurelyandyouarenevergoingtohearbackfromthem="" is a bit long
  893. # [23:06] <Hixie> oncatastrophy=""
  894. # [23:07] <Hixie> onerror="" maybe?
  895. # [23:07] * Joins: seventh (seventh@207.207.28.159)
  896. # [23:10] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@172.56.16.203) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  897. # [23:13] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@62-210-167-198.rev.poneytelecom.eu) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  898. # [23:14] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  899. # [23:17] * Quits: mven (~mven@169.241.49.184) (Remote host closed the connection)
  900. # [23:17] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  901. # [23:20] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  902. # [23:20] * Joins: mven (~mven@169.241.49.184)
  903. # [23:20] * Quits: tj_vantoll (~Adium@2601:4:1400:6b6:9c5f:1351:9068:5375) (Quit: Leaving.)
  904. # [23:22] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: sicking)
  905. # [23:23] * Joins: ^esc (~esc-ape@77.119.128.197.wireless.dyn.drei.com)
  906. # [23:26] * Quits: ^esc_ (~esc-ape@77.119.132.87.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  907. # [23:32] * Joins: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:304:acb2:2c64:392d:99ca)
  908. # [23:33] * Quits: erichynds (~erichynds@64.206.121.41)
  909. # [23:34] <smaug____> onerror is too common
  910. # [23:34] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  911. # [23:36] <smaug____> though, perhaps that is a good thing
  912. # [23:40] * Joins: Karate (~Karate@unaffiliated/karate)
  913. # [23:44] * Quits: Maurice (copyman@5ED57922.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  914. # [23:45] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  915. # [23:50] * Quits: lmcliste_ (~lmclister@192.150.10.205)
  916. # [23:52] * Quits: ihab1 (~Adium@88.249.105.49) (Quit: Leaving.)
  917. # [23:52] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: othermaciej)
  918. # [23:53] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  919. # [23:53] * Joins: ihab (~Adium@88.249.105.49)
  920. # [23:54] <jgraham> ondeath
  921. # [23:56] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: sicking)
  922. # [23:57] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13)
  923. # [23:57] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  924. # [23:57] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  925. # [23:59] <jsbell> On a tangent... at various points there has been the suggestion to bubble those sorts of errors up all the way to window.onerror, but today window.onerror is only set up for uncaught exceptions (with file/line number). Is that crazy talk?
  926. # Session Close: Sat Dec 07 00:00:00 2013

The end :)