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  188. # [09:18] <Ms2ger> Yay for Google fucking over Google: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=43394#c44
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  206. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: wonderful
  207. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> "Gmail and other Google Apps are relying on the fact that Chrome defines DOM attributes on DOM instances."
  208. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> "It's strange that these Google Apps are working fine in Firefox and IE where DOM attributes are defined on prototype chains. Probably Google Apps are using different JavaScript code depending on browsers."
  209. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> so you'd think they'd be happy if they could move to just one code path instead of needing to maintain two
  210. # [09:55] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: oh, but see the next comment
  211. # [09:58] <Ms2ger> Yeah, indeed
  212. # [10:02] <jochen__> as I noted on the bug, I think that statement is false
  213. # [10:02] <Ms2ger> I'll try to look at your javascript: urls later, haven't had time yet
  214. # [10:02] <jochen__> it's just that the new codepath for the attributes in v8 was not tested very well and likely broken
  215. # [10:02] <Ms2ger> Anyway, we'll see :)
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  219. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> jochen__: yeah your comment is the one I meant by "oh, but see the next comment"
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  222. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> so, I'll got back to remaining optimistic
  223. # [10:08] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: if it's OK with you, I'd like to add "Access-Control-Allow-Headers: content-type" to the validator response headers
  224. # [10:08] <MikeSmith> for context see http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/implementors-whatwg.org/2013-December/000338.html
  225. # [10:11] <jochen__> :)
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  227. # [10:13] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: otherwise, if somebody wants to use the validator REST interface with XHR, they have to send the "laxtype" parameter and even then they'll get back a "Being lax about non-HTML Content-Type: text/plain" warning
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  229. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> jochen__: it will be nice to see the interface tests in the web-platform-tests testsuite working in Chrome (since for most of those we rely on a test harness that in turn relies on conformant WebIDL support)
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  233. # [10:19] <jochen__> yes
  234. # [10:19] <jochen__> however, the patch Kentaro uploaded only moved "popular" attributes
  235. # [10:19] <MikeSmith> jochen__: oh really?
  236. # [10:20] <MikeSmith> didn't know
  237. # [10:20] <jochen__> i guess the idea is that if the popular ones work, we can mass-move the rest
  238. # [10:20] <MikeSmith> that sounds like a sane way to do it I guess
  239. # [10:25] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: to be clear, ideally a Web app should be able to do .setRequestHeader("Content-type", "text/html") for an XHR to the validator. But if it does then the request gets preflighted and rejected because the validator doesn't send "Access-Control-Allow-Headers: content-type" in the options response
  240. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so if we add "Access-Control-Allow-Headers: content-type" it will eliminate the need for apps to send the laxtype parameter, and eliminate the warning message the gets reported bacause of that
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  243. # [10:31] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: oops. I missed that aspect of CORS. Yeah, sure, it makes sense to add that.
  244. # [10:31] <hsivonen> I wonder if there are other headers that should be allowed
  245. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> yeah I wondering the same thing
  246. # [10:32] * hsivonen tries to see if Content-Length and such are permitted by default by the spec
  247. # [10:33] <hsivonen> "To be clear, the method and header fields are mutually exclusive. When one of them is empty the other is non-empty." what's that about?
  248. # [10:33] <annevk-cloud> That is about caching
  249. # [10:34] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud: yeah, but does it mean that allowing methods GET and POST would remove the need to care about particular headers?
  250. # [10:34] <annevk-cloud> Content-Length is set by the UA iirc
  251. # [10:34] <annevk-cloud> No it does not
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  253. # [10:35] <annevk-cloud> It just means that the cache entry is either for a header or a method
  254. # [10:35] <hsivonen> oh
  255. # [10:35] <annevk-cloud> Is hopefully clearer in Fetch
  256. # [10:36] <annevk-cloud> If not, bug reports appreciated
  257. # [10:36] <hsivonen> does validator.nu need to add Access-Control-Allow-Methods, too?
  258. # [10:37] <hsivonen> or maybe it already does in OPTIONS responses
  259. # [10:37] * hsivonen should look at the source
  260. # [10:37] <annevk-cloud> If you allow more than GET and POST
  261. # [10:37] * MikeSmith is looking right now also
  262. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> my tests with POST already work fine
  263. # [10:38] <annevk-cloud> If you feel your setup is secure you could allow any header
  264. # [10:38] <annevk-cloud> Just echo the requested headers
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  266. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> I think that might be overkill but maybe not
  267. # [10:39] <hsivonen> it already does Access-Control-Allow-Methods", "GET, HEAD, POST, OPTIONS
  268. # [10:39] <hsivonen> which is why POST works
  269. # [10:39] <annevk-cloud> POST works by default though iirc
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  272. # [10:39] <annevk-cloud> HEAD is also whitelisted
  273. # [10:40] <annevk-cloud> And OPTIONS is part of the protocol
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  276. # [10:41] <JakeA> annevk-cloud: What's going on with promises at the moment, which spec is "the spec"?
  277. # [10:42] <JakeA> Just saw https://code.google.com/p/v8/source/browse/branches/bleeding_edge/src/promise.js?spec=svn18113&r=18113 - and there's things like Promise.resolved and Promise.one, which aren't in https://github.com/domenic/promises-unwrapping/blob/master/README.md
  278. # [10:42] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: btw I see Access-Control-Policy-Path in there. in VerifierServlet.java. I guess we should get rid of that
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  280. # [10:43] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I can't remember what that is about
  281. # [10:43] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: something that has been removed from the spec?
  282. # [10:44] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: yeah, long gone now
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  285. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: btw while we're on the subject of headers, I'd like to also propose we change the Accept header that the validator's sending, so that it's something closer to what browsers send
  286. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> right now it's sending "/*; q=0.1, application/docbook+xml, application/xhtml+xml, application/xml; q=0.5, image/svg+xml, text/html; q=0.9, text/xml; q=0.3"
  287. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> oops
  288. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> make that */* at the beginning
  289. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> anyway I think it might be better to send just, e.g., "text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8"
  290. # [10:58] <MikeSmith> one reason I suggest it is that currently tit can cause the validator to get sent an application/xhtml+xml version of document while browsers get sent a text/html version of that same document
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  298. # [11:08] <dekiss> I have weird problem, I made emai lnewsletter, the newsletter has too much scrolling on mobiles, why?
  299. # [11:08] <dekiss> I have viewprot meta tags, the email newsletter looks too much zoomed in iphone why?
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  301. # [11:10] <dekiss> I have this <meta content='width=device-width, target-densitydpi=device-dpi, initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0, user-scalable=0' name='viewport' />
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  303. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: looking at the code it seems like the order the Accept header is being built in is good but it doesn't get preserved because it's going into a TreeSet. So I think I could keep the rest of that code as-is but just change it to use a LinkedHashSet
  304. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> dekiss: I don't think you can expect much help here with that question. Not sure where to suggest instead though
  305. # [11:18] <dekiss> ok
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  307. # [11:24] <darobin> who said that public-html saw no useful discussion? I have proof to the contrary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Dec/0003.html
  308. # [11:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: OK
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  310. # [11:26] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: especailly the html5 facet of the validator should use the same Accept header as browsers
  311. # [11:26] <hsivonen> even the new validator is now old enough to be legacy code like this :-(
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  313. # [11:31] <MikeSmith> heh
  314. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> My eyes glazed over, but right before that I saw "Deprecating tags such as <center> is a mistake."
  315. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so I'll change Accept and also add Access-Control-Allow-Headers for content-type for now
  316. # [11:34] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: ok
  317. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: you're clearly not reading with the proper mindset
  318. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, quite likely
  319. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, I did click on a link to a public-html email, so that already says a lot about the proper mindset
  320. # [11:35] <MikeSmith> heh
  321. # [11:35] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: you got public-html-rolled by darobin
  322. # [11:36] <MikeSmith> or maybe it should be public-html-goatse'd
  323. # [11:36] <darobin> hahaha
  324. # [11:42] <annevk-cloud> JakeA: Domenic's repo is the spec, Google is not following it afaict
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  327. # [11:52] <MikeSmith> annevk-cloud: "Based on prototype at https://github.com/rossberg-chromium/js-promise which informed the latest spec draft version at https://github.com/domenic/promises-unwrapping/blob/master/README.md" in his commit message
  328. # [11:52] <annevk-cloud> Andreas disagrees with some stuff so he implemented it differently
  329. # [11:53] <annevk-cloud> Not sure whether that's a good thing yet
  330. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> explicitly basing the browser implementation on his own speculative JS prolyfill instead of a spec seems a bit odd
  331. # [11:56] <annevk-cloud> Yeah is odd, just not sure if it is wrong
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  348. # [12:38] <JakeA> Promise.race vs Promise.one I don't care about. Not convinced it's useful. An opposite to Promise.all would be useful.
  349. # [12:38] <JakeA> Promise.resolved is only a better name if you don't pass in an arg. For most cases Promise.resolve is better
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  352. # [12:53] <annevk-cloud> Yeah, the bikeshedding seems wrong
  353. # [12:54] <annevk-cloud> More thinking about deferreds
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  416. # [14:49] <zcorpan> IE seems to drop the query
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  428. # [15:08] <darobin> what's the expected way to run html5lib-python tests against a different source of tests than the submodule?
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  430. # [15:08] <darobin> jgraham: ^^
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  433. # [15:10] <darobin> also, is there a way of running the tests against just a subset of the data?
  434. # [15:10] <jgraham> darobin: You aren't really expected to do that :)
  435. # [15:10] <darobin> jgraham: bah!
  436. # [15:11] <jgraham> What's the use case?
  437. # [15:11] <darobin> how can you try out something new then?
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  439. # [15:11] <jgraham> Add it to the existing tests?
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  441. # [15:11] <darobin> well, yeah, but I want to run my tests before pushing it to the repo
  442. # [15:12] <darobin> jgraham: the situation is: I have new tests in my own fork of html5lib-tests and I'd like to run them before making a PR
  443. # [15:12] <jgraham> darobin: That sould JustWork, no?
  444. # [15:12] <jgraham> *should
  445. # [15:13] <darobin> mmmm, I guess there's something I'm not understanding
  446. # [15:13] <darobin> should I just nuke the submodule in html5lib-python that brings in the tests and replace it with my own?
  447. # [15:13] <darobin> I mean I can easily do that and ln -s instead — it just seems more brutal than what I'd expect :)
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  449. # [15:14] <jgraham> Why wouldn't you jsut add your own tests to the submodule?
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  451. # [15:15] <darobin> the submodule is 1) not my repo so I can't initiate a PR from it; 2) normally submodules are stuck at a given revision
  452. # [15:17] <darobin> but clearly that's not a problem you've had, I presume all the tests have been written by html5lib maintainers anyway :)
  453. # [15:17] <darobin> I'll resort to ln and leave you get back to whatever
  454. # [15:17] <jgraham> Well the submodule thing is new
  455. # [15:17] <darobin> what I was thinking of is some option to pass to nosetests so that it'd pick up the tests data from elsewhere; or some such
  456. # [15:18] <jgraham> So I think that won't work because it will try to read the data files from the original location in any case. But I might be wrong
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  459. # [15:20] <darobin> I'm removing the original location and replacing it with a symbolic link
  460. # [15:20] <darobin> let's see
  461. # [15:21] <darobin> seems happy enough
  462. # [15:21] <jgraham> OK
  463. # [15:21] <annevk> zcorpan++ if you're writing tests for that
  464. # [15:21] <annevk> zcorpan: my URL tests don't cover those aspects
  465. # [15:22] <darobin> jgraham: and I'm guessing the answer to "can I just run on a subset of the tests?" is "mmm, why would you want to do that?" :)
  466. # [15:22] <darobin> whoa, lots of broken tests
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  468. # [15:23] <SimonSapin> darobin: you can commit and push from a submodule
  469. # [15:24] <darobin> SimonSapin: yeah, but it's hardcoded to be https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-tests.git whereas I'm using my own fork
  470. # [15:24] <SimonSapin> you can still add a remote
  471. # [15:24] <SimonSapin> I typically have two remotes for github stuff: upstream and fork
  472. # [15:25] <jgraham> Yeah, it's just a normal repo except that the metadata is kept somewhere strange
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  479. # [15:32] <zcorpan> annevk: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/437
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  509. # [16:07] <annevk> So http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304355104579236261045331876 is published in opinion, but who wrote it?
  510. # [16:07] <annevk> If there's no name, does it mean the WSJ team is behind it?
  511. # [16:09] <jgraham> YEs, I think that's how it works
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  517. # [16:16] <zcorpan> image/svg+xml in an iframe shouldn't inherit the encoding, right? it should just use xml's encoding rules
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  519. # [16:21] <darobin> annevk: "Editorial board member Joe Rago"
  520. # [16:21] <darobin> (for the related video — which points to the same conclusion)
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  522. # [16:24] <darobin> jgraham: is there some reason for what tests are in what files?
  523. # [16:25] * hober2 is now known as hober
  524. # [16:25] <jgraham> darobin: It is a philosopical treatise on existential disorder
  525. # [16:26] <darobin> jgraham: thanks, that's the impression it left me with
  526. # [16:26] <jgraham> Either that or material for Dan Brown to use in his next "novel"
  527. # [16:26] <darobin> I preferred the first one
  528. # [16:26] <jgraham> Well done
  529. # [16:26] <jgraham> You win a French citizenship
  530. # [16:27] <jgraham> (at least I imagine that's how it works)
  531. # [16:28] <Ms2ger> And an induction into Opus Dei
  532. # [16:28] <darobin> may I win anything I don't already have?
  533. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> A sense of humour?
  534. # [16:29] <darobin> also, I presume that html5lib failing several tests currently in the suite is normal?
  535. # [16:29] <jgraham> I don't think so
  536. # [16:29] <jgraham> But ask gsnedders
  537. # [16:29] <jgraham> Which tests are they?
  538. # [16:29] <darobin> Ms2ger: don't worry, becoming more proficient with python is definitely giving me one
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  540. # [16:30] <darobin> jgraham: if I use the tests from the submodule (so at a given revision) all pass, but with the latest from the repo they don't
  541. # [16:30] <darobin> 28 fail
  542. # [16:30] <jgraham> Oh
  543. # [16:30] <darobin> most seem to do with <command>
  544. # [16:30] <jgraham> Sounds plausile
  545. # [16:30] <darobin> and weird characters in doctype
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  547. # [16:30] <jgraham> *plausible
  548. # [16:30] <jgraham> Especially if the spec also changed
  549. # [16:31] <darobin> okay, thanks!
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  554. # [16:38] <annevk> darobin: that he wrote the piece?
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  556. # [16:39] <darobin> annevk: that it comes from the WSJ as an entity — it's a practice that's not uncommon in certain parts of the press
  557. # [16:40] <darobin> editorial opinions are the opinion of the journal, not just some guy
  558. # [16:40] <annevk> darobin: ta
  559. # [16:41] <darobin> annevk: I don't know how the WSJ operates, but e.g. in the Economist all the articles are unsigned (except the columns which are pseudonymous)
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  561. # [16:43] <annevk> darobin: when I read the Economist there was no "opinion" thingie, but I guess a column counts as a similar thing
  562. # [16:44] <darobin> annevk: it's the Economist, they are cocksure enough to any of their opinions facts ;-)
  563. # [16:45] <annevk> uhuh, whenever they wrote about the web though...
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  570. # [16:50] <darobin> annevk: if you know of a single newspaper that writes smart stuff when they're writing about a topic you really know, I'd be happy to hear about it
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  572. # [16:51] <annevk> Daring Fireball is pretty good, but not a newspaper
  573. # [16:51] <annevk> also have to read the bits about Google with care
  574. # [16:52] <darobin> and anything related to Apple being awesome
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  579. # [16:56] <jgraham> I would really not cite Daring Fireball as a source of good journalism
  580. # [16:59] * darobin is wondering if update_html5lib_tests.py really makes sense
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  582. # [17:02] <darobin> whoa, and it looks like we haven't updated WPT from it in a while
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  584. # [17:03] <jgraham> darobin: Makes sense in what way?
  585. # [17:04] <arunranga> annevk, are you ok with the current handling of blob: URLs, query, etc.? Not sure if your bug update to 23946 means you think more needs to be done, or if it can be closed.
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  588. # [17:05] <darobin> jgraham: well, reading the source, there are two modes
  589. # [17:05] <darobin> jgraham: the basic one is that you give no arguments and it uses the tests from inside the html5lib source — that part is okay
  590. # [17:06] <darobin> jgraham: the other is that it checks if sys.argv is > 2 but then it only looks at sys.argv[2]
  591. # [17:06] <darobin> and only takes one directory
  592. # [17:06] <darobin> so I'm calling it as python update_html5lib_tests.py xxx /path/to/tests
  593. # [17:06] <darobin> seems to work
  594. # [17:06] <darobin> but nonsensical :)
  595. # [17:08] <jgraham> I think it used to take another argument. Probably got lost somewhere when I updated it :)
  596. # [17:09] <darobin> heh
  597. # [17:10] <jgraham> Anyway, fixes welcome I guess
  598. # [17:10] <darobin> is anyone relying on this?
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  600. # [17:10] <darobin> (that we know of)
  601. # [17:10] <annevk> Cyrillic is a real mess
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  603. # [17:10] <jgraham> darobin: No, I think it's just used to import the tests
  604. # [17:10] <annevk> Only encoding group with five entries in Firefox Nightly's new menu
  605. # [17:11] <darobin> jgraham: I wonder if it would be possible to use a more readable format in the generated JS tests
  606. # [17:11] <darobin> I mean, good luck reviewing that
  607. # [17:11] <annevk> arunranga: there's a lot of text currently and it's not clear to me when it applies
  608. # [17:12] <jgraham> darobin: You review the source and trust the generated output
  609. # [17:12] <annevk> arunranga: e.g. in the section "A definition of blob URL Scheme" (casing?) it says "A query must be ignored." which does not seem very applicable
  610. # [17:12] <jgraham> But sure, other methods of importing these tests are possible
  611. # [17:12] <jgraham> The primary one being to use XHR and parse the raw files in js
  612. # [17:13] <darobin> that might actually be a viable solution — tbh I'm not even sure what you're doing in there :)
  613. # [17:13] <jgraham> It depends how much you trust XHR to deliver unchanged bytes
  614. # [17:13] <jgraham> I decided at the time that I didn't very much
  615. # [17:13] <Domenic_> annevk: any resources on why WebIDL/etc. switched from stupid int constants to nice string constants for enums? Helping a coworker convince other coworkers that string enums are fine.
  616. # [17:13] <darobin> fair enough
  617. # [17:14] <jgraham> It might be worth revisting that assumption now
  618. # [17:14] <darobin> jgraham: I'm not annoyed enough to change it at this point, it's great that we have what we have
  619. # [17:14] <darobin> but I might look into it at some point, it's a bit of a long ride to get something all the way in
  620. # [17:14] <jgraham> darobin: Yep
  621. # [17:14] * darobin hopes no one comes back with a "that's what she said" joke here
  622. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> twss
  623. # [17:15] <Ms2ger> Damn you!
  624. # [17:15] <darobin> heh
  625. # [17:16] <arunranga> annevk, ok, that makes sense.
  626. # [17:16] * annevk looks
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  628. # [17:17] <annevk> Domenic_: hmm http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2010OctDec/0098.html and then https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11451
  629. # [17:17] <Domenic_> annevk: perfect, thanks!
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  631. # [17:21] <annevk> arunranga: I think I'd prefer moving to a place where we have createObjectURL() defined as creating the URL and then a separate place that does the lookup
  632. # [17:21] <annevk> arunranga: it's not clear we need anything else
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  634. # [17:21] <annevk> arunranga: the lookup being the bit that gets passed a URL object whose scheme is "blob" and then uses the scheme data to find an entry in the table to locate the relevant resource
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  636. # [17:22] <arunranga> annevk, I think I agree, actually.
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  658. # [18:20] <gsnedders> <b><b><b><b>x</b></b></b></b>y — when </b> is passed to the AAA, what's on the list of active formatting elements?
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  660. # [18:22] * gsnedders is pretty sure html5lib is wrong here
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  663. # [18:24] <jgraham> [b,b,b]
  664. # [18:24] <gsnedders> Why?
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  666. # [18:24] <gsnedders> Why only three?
  667. # [18:24] <jgraham> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/parsing.html#push-onto-the-list-of-active-formatting-elements
  668. # [18:25] <gsnedders> Oh.
  669. # [18:25] <gsnedders> I should, like, follow xrefs and not assume simplicity.
  670. # [18:25] <gsnedders> jgraham: This is needed solely to help avoid the O(n^2) case without breaking content, right?
  671. # [18:26] <jgraham> Yeah, something like that
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  675. # [18:27] <gsnedders> Thanks for pointing out my obvious wrongness. :)
  676. # [18:27] <jgraham> No problem
  677. # [18:27] <jgraham> I'm sure you would do the same for me
  678. # [18:28] <gsnedders> But of course. :)
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  685. # [18:36] <gsnedders> <b><table><tr><td>a<foo>b</b>c — is "c" in foo?
  686. # [18:38] <gsnedders> Yes, it is, obviously.
  687. # [18:38] <gsnedders> That was me just being totally stupid.
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  692. # [18:45] <Hixie> gsnedders: the noah's ark clause isn't to avoid O(N^2) complexity, it's to avoid O(N^2) memory usage
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  694. # [18:48] <gsnedders> I should stop asking questions and just send the damned email before more people say even more of what I wrote is wrong :)
  695. # [18:50] <gsnedders> Hixie: But it works in tandem with the AAA loop limits, right?
  696. # [18:52] <gsnedders> jgraham, darobin (if you see this): yes, it's known html5lib-python doesn't pass tests at the top of master of html5lib-tests, thus why the submodule isn't at that revision.
  697. # [18:52] <gsnedders> (Because html5lib-python isn't up to date with the spec, but html5lib-tests is.)
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  718. # [19:22] <Hixie> gsnedders: something like that
  719. # [19:22] <Hixie> gsnedders: it's not necessary about the AAA
  720. # [19:22] <Hixie> gsnedders: the AAA is more about how to handle misclosed tags
  721. # [19:22] <Hixie> gsnedders: noah's ark is more about how to handle deep pointless trees or trees that just never close
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  723. # [19:26] <Hixie> heycam|away: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22646
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  731. # [19:54] <gsnedders> The new W3C ruby stuff, are people implementing this?
  732. # [19:56] <Ms2ger> I hope not
  733. # [19:57] <gsnedders> Then we reject darobin's pull requests?
  734. # [19:57] <Ms2ger> No, we accept the test cases and fix the expectations :)
  735. # [19:57] <gsnedders> :)
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  790. # [21:58] <Hixie> MikeSmith: if you have any idea for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23659 please do bounce them around :-)
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  812. # [22:53] <Hixie> sweet kittens the web's focus model is complicated when you get right down to it
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  814. # [22:54] <Hixie> and <dialog> is not going to help make it simpler
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  832. # [23:08] <Hixie> i need a word for "object that manages clusters of focusable objects"
  833. # [23:08] <Hixie> the best i've come up with so far is "focusable liege", so please feel free to bikeshed...
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  837. # [23:15] <Hixie> oh lordy
  838. # [23:15] <Hixie> i know where this is headed
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  847. # [23:34] <zcorpan> Hixie: define hit testing while at it :-)
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  851. # [23:52] <Hixie> zcorpan: that's an entirely separate problem, luckily
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