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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 18 00:00:01 2013
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  22. # [00:22] <Hixie> sicking: man, this messageport thing is tough. let me think on it some more.
  23. # [00:23] <sicking> Hixie: i've shot some promises people an email to see if we're abusing promises.
  24. # [00:23] <sicking> Hixie: it's still unclear to me when promises are ok and when they are not, so it's a very good question
  25. # [00:23] <sicking> Hixie: Dominic has said that they are only appropriate as return values for asynchronous functions, which isn't the case here
  26. # [00:23] <Hixie> sicking: the problem with the promise solution is it prevents the page from bfcaching in the case of a long-lived notification-style channel (as opposed to a channel just used for query-response), which i'd really like to avoid if we can
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  28. # [00:24] <sicking> Hixie: i don't think solving the bfcaching is an interesting use case to solve in v1
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  30. # [00:24] <Hixie> sicking: (and also, i think it's kind of weird to have two entirely different parts of the app be in charge of rejecting and resolving the same promise, let alone the UA and the author)
  31. # [00:24] <sicking> Hixie: it's something that needs to be very explicitly opted in to
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  35. # [00:25] <Hixie> sicking: if we can find a solution that doesn't put the feature at risk like onsuspend does, and yet doesn't prevent bfcache at all like the promise does, i think it'd be great.
  36. # [00:25] <sicking> Hixie: the problem is that bfcaching was intended to be an optimistic and transparent feature. Anything that breaks that is not going to be interesting for us to implement since it's so unlikely that devs are going to know about bfcaching
  37. # [00:25] <Hixie> sicking: right
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  42. # [00:30] <Hixie> heh, i just thought of a way that even browsers without a bfcache could get onresume in my (flawed) proposal in my last e-mail
  43. # [00:30] <Hixie> suppose an iframe has one end of a port
  44. # [00:30] <Hixie> and the other end is far away in some other process, and has onsuspend/onresume attached
  45. # [00:31] <Hixie> now the iframe is navigated away, but before doing so, it passes a reference to its port up to its parent (just a reference, it doesn't transfer ownership)
  46. # [00:31] <Hixie> the navigation causes the port to stop receiving messages, so onsuspend is sent (though actually, come to think of it, the parent could still _send_ messages, it's only receiving them that's blocked)
  47. # [00:31] <Hixie> now, the parent takes this port, and _transfers it to itself_, via a newly cearted MessageChannel
  48. # [00:32] <Hixie> created
  49. # [00:32] <sicking> Hixie: syntax aside, I think we need a signal that says "other side has gone away" (of course). But always enabling such a signal disables GCing. Hence we need a signal that says "I'm interested in the gone-away signal" and "i'm no longer interested in the gone-away signal". If you additionally want to solve bfcaching (which i'm not sure that you'll find any implementation interest in), you separately need three signals for "i can handle
  50. # [00:32] <sicking> bfcaching", "other side was bfcached" and "other side is back from bfcache"
  51. # [00:32] <Hixie> the port that comes out the other end is no longer owned by a "dead" Document, so the other end-point would suddenly get an onresume event :-)
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  53. # [00:33] <Hixie> sicking: yeah. i'm hoping there's some other way of looking at this that doesn't force us to block GCing or bfcaching.
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  55. # [00:33] <Hixie> sicking: especially since, in principle, we're saying that almost any sane use of ports should really be listening for these states to be well implemented.
  56. # [00:33] <sicking> Hixie: i'm fairly sure that it's probaly impossible
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  58. # [00:34] <Hixie> it's possible, but before we chop our arm off i want to really be absolutely sure i've exhausted every idea i can come up with :-)
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  60. # [00:34] <sicking> have at it
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  63. # [00:40] <sicking> Hixie: and to be cleaer, even if you did specify a mechanism to enable bfcaching, i'm not sure that we would implement. There are other features that prevent bfcaching of *way* more pages, and yet we have not implemented APIs to enable bfcaching those pages.
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  66. # [00:48] <Hixie> sicking: i wouldn't propose an API that enables it. i would just be looking for an API that didn't preclude it (while not putting bfcaching implementations at risk the way onsuspend does)
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  68. # [00:48] <Hixie> (though see notes above about how even non-bfcaching UAs could still get onresume)
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  404. # [10:34] <matjas> I just realized that XHTML handles character references differently
  405. # [10:34] <matjas> i.e. `&#x85;` → U+0085 in XHTML, while in HTML it’s U+2026
  406. # [10:34] <matjas> but AFAICT this isn’t mentioned here: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#tokenizing-character-references what am I missing?
  407. # [10:35] <matjas> I assume the parsing section only applies to non-XHTML HTML, as XML is defined elsewhere, correct?
  408. # [10:38] <Ms2ger> That's in the HTML syntax section, no?
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  411. # [10:40] <matjas> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml/#d0e3895
  412. # [10:41] <matjas> Ms2ger: yeah, I guess it all makes sense
  413. # [10:41] <matjas> just never realized this difference before — kinda mind-blowing
  414. # [10:42] <Ms2ger> Yay for stupid stuff
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  428. # [11:13] <zcorpan> matjas: check out http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2696
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  445. # [11:27] <hsivonen> zcorpan: I can't remember what Gecko does with non-JS <script src>
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  449. # [11:49] <zcorpan> hsivonen: in my testing it doesn't fetch anything
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  451. # [11:52] <hsivonen> zcorpan: than it doesn't :-)
  452. # [11:52] <hsivonen> *then
  453. # [11:55] <matjas> zcorpan: oh wow
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  455. # [11:59] <hsivonen> matjas: It's kinda annoying that Unicode starts with ISO-8859-1 instead of starting with windows-1252
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  457. # [12:09] <annevk-cloud> So much
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  466. # [12:27] <darobin_> Domenic_: I read in the back log that you felt bad about being flippant and unpolitic about streams — don't. It can get a lot worse without being a problem.
  467. # [12:27] <darobin_> If you feel you should somehow apologise do so, but in any case just move on
  468. # [12:28] <darobin_> and give us a fucking streams API today :)
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  470. # [12:29] <hsivonen> annevk: did you check the source code for the GBK and GB18030 decoders in Gecko?
  471. # [12:29] <hsivonen> the latter is a subclass of the former
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  473. # [12:30] <annevk> hsivonen: but they are not using the same table I think
  474. # [12:30] <annevk> hsivonen: I find Gecko's code for encodings hard to follow
  475. # [12:30] <annevk> hsivonen: it has all kinds of abstractions that could be removed
  476. # [12:33] <hsivonen> annevk: not the same table, right
  477. # [12:33] <hsivonen> annevk: the GBK table has one entry! for euro
  478. # [12:33] <annevk> hsivonen: whoa
  479. # [12:33] <hsivonen> I can't figure out from the GB18030 tables if 0x80 maps to euro in the larger table
  480. # [12:35] <hsivonen> euro sign is kinda like time zones: the politician who come up with this stuff should be required to implement this stuff. *Correctly.*
  481. # [12:36] <annevk> hsivonen: in gb18030 0x80 maps to 0x20AC
  482. # [12:36] <annevk> hsivonen: so if Gecko does that for gbk...
  483. # [12:36] <annevk> and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/intl/uconv/ucvcn/gbkuniq2b.ut seems to indicate it does
  484. # [12:38] <annevk> hsivonen: actually, in Chrome gb18030 0x80 does not map to 0x20AC
  485. # [12:38] <hsivonen> I regret putting gbk in the new charset menu
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  487. # [12:39] <hsivonen> since now it's more of a hassle to change the UI strings
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  489. # [12:42] <annevk> hsivonen: my bad, I should have sorted this out long ago
  490. # [12:42] <annevk> hsivonen: seems that in IE byte 80 is also not mapped to the Euro sign, but it's not mapped to anything sensible either so...
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  492. # [12:46] <annevk> hsivonen: compare http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/gbk/byte-80-gbk.html and http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/gbk/byte-80-gb18030.html btw
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  494. # [12:46] <annevk> hsivonen: however, it seems that treating 0x80 as 0x20AC is harmless
  495. # [12:48] <annevk> hsivonen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB_18030#GB18030_as_a_code_page has all the details it seems in the third paragraph with respect to the incompatibility
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  497. # [12:48] <hsivonen> annevk: the latter shows a question mark for 0x80 in IE11
  498. # [12:48] <hsivonen> why not U+FFFD?
  499. # [12:48] <annevk> hsivonen: same in IE10
  500. # [12:49] <annevk> hsivonen: I suspect they just have weird error handling
  501. # [12:50] <annevk> I could test what they do for FF
  502. # [12:50] <annevk> or 8100
  503. # [12:50] * annevk makes a test
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  505. # [12:53] <annevk> hsivonen: see also http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/gbk/byte-FF-gb18030.html and http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/gbk/byte-8100-gb18030.html
  506. # [12:53] <annevk> hsivonen: IE10 is a mess
  507. # [12:54] <annevk> hsivonen: not sure what Chrome is doing either :/
  508. # [12:54] <annevk> Or I suppose, what ICU is doing, that seems broken
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  510. # [12:55] <hsivonen> annevk: does IE just drop 0xFF?
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  512. # [12:55] <annevk> hsivonen: no it renders it as 
  513. # [12:56] <annevk> hsivonen: whoa, that's a round dot in Windows, but on Mac it renders totally different...
  514. # [12:58] <annevk> hsivonen: oh, it's PUA
  515. # [12:58] <annevk> hsivonen: U+F8F5
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  517. # [13:16] <zcorpan> wonder if i should test url query encoding in the prescanner
  518. # [13:21] <annevk> hsivonen: the IE gbk table is identical to the Chrome gbk table
  519. # [13:21] <annevk> hsivonen: I find one difference in the gb18030 table weirdly enough
  520. # [13:21] <annevk> hsivonen: index 6555 maps to 3000 in Gecko and E5E5 in IE
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  522. # [13:27] <annevk> hsivonen: seems like we should just alias gbk and gb18030 and not worry about the 81/82 PUAs
  523. # [13:33] <hsivonen> annevk: aliasing will change how the euro sign gets submitted in forms, right?
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  525. # [13:34] * hsivonen hopes the euro sign doesn't get submitted to Chinese sites often
  526. # [13:34] <annevk> hsivonen: yeah, it would use the gb18030 two byte sequence, unless we special case 20AC in the encoder
  527. # [13:35] <annevk> hsivonen: special casing it in the encoder however would be incompatible with non-gbk compatible gb18030 implementations
  528. # [13:35] <hsivonen> special-casing the encoder might break sites that really are already using de jure GB18030
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  530. # [13:35] <annevk> right
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  533. # [13:35] <hsivonen> currency signs are such a bad idea
  534. # [13:36] <annevk> Surprising how little code the x-user-def is
  535. # [13:36] <hsivonen> both this whole euro thing. and the sheqel sign difference between 8859-8 and windows-1255
  536. # [13:37] <hsivonen> annevk: yeah
  537. # [13:37] <annevk> Was it Unicode 6.2 or 6.3 that did the Turkish thing?
  538. # [13:37] <hsivonen> oh and *that*
  539. # [13:38] <hsivonen> at least bitcoin uses an existing sign
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  543. # [13:41] <annevk> hsivonen: well, "B⃦ has been the standard currency sign for BTC for a long time. Some existing Unicode symbols have been proposed but also serious work is being done on creating a custom Bitcoin sign with its own official Unicode that is recognized by the Unicode Consortium."
  544. # [13:41] <annevk> hsivonen: from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_symbol
  545. # [13:45] <hsivonen> annevk: sadness
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  548. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> ah cool x-webkit-speech
  549. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24126
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  593. # [15:52] <Ms2ger> odinho++
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  606. # [16:10] <annevk> hsivonen: just to be clear, current gbk sites with <form> might run into issues with more than U+20AC
  607. # [16:10] <annevk> hsivonen: as every code point will map to a byte sequence
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  609. # [16:14] <SimonSapin> jgraham: what’s the fix when Critic gets upset by an amended commit?
  610. # [16:14] <jgraham> SimonSapin: There isn't one
  611. # [16:15] <jgraham> SimonSapin: I have instructions from jl on how to go about fixing that though
  612. # [16:15] <jgraham> So, happy christams to me, I guess
  613. # [16:16] <SimonSapin> I knew that present would make you happy :)
  614. # [16:16] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Unless you want to make a patch ;)
  615. # [16:16] <SimonSapin> I could submit a new pull request
  616. # [16:16] <SimonSapin> for the same changes
  617. # [16:17] <SimonSapin> https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/pull/123
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  620. # [16:18] <hsivonen> annevk: are *all* of those sequences now inconsistent between different browsers' gbk encoders?
  621. # [16:19] <annevk> hsivonen: gbk is a subset
  622. # [16:19] <annevk> hsivonen: so if you go outside the subset, you'd get &#....; for the code point or ?, depending on the error handling
  623. # [16:19] <hsivonen> annevk: so is it inconsistent between "&#....;" and "?"?
  624. # [16:19] <annevk> hsivonen: gb18030 would however never trigger error handling
  625. # [16:20] <annevk> hsivonen: it's inconsistent between generating a gb18030 byte sequence for the code point in the merger scenario and &#...; in the gbk <form> submission scenario
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  628. # [16:21] <annevk> (for code points outside the two byte range)
  629. # [16:21] <annevk> (and 0x80)
  630. # [16:21] <odinho> Ms2ger: I'm incremented! :D (Not too long ago also, I went from 26 to 27 on the 6th)
  631. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> Happy incrementation :)
  632. # [16:23] <jgraham> odinho: Wait, what, you are tracking it?
  633. # [16:24] <Ms2ger> I guess some people would avoid tracking it, at their level :)
  634. # [16:24] <jgraham> Ms2ger--
  635. # [16:24] <jgraham> :p
  636. # [16:25] <Ms2ger> :D
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  638. # [16:27] <odinho> deferred incrementation :) I save up the function and only flush once per year. And then only run one cycle.
  639. # [16:28] <odinho> I wonder what happens if I start getting more decrements than all increments I've had in total. What will happen then :-O
  640. # [16:29] <jgraham> odinho: We can test if you want :
  641. # [16:29] <jgraham> p
  642. # [16:29] <odinho> ^_^
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  648. # [16:42] <hsivonen> annevk: so Gecko's GB18030 impl already matches the spec and we only need to change the label stuff, right?
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  650. # [16:44] <annevk> hsivonen: afaict, yes
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  652. # [16:44] <annevk> hsivonen: Gecko has the 0x80 mapping which is the only "weird" thing
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  655. # [16:49] <jgraham> SimonSapin: urllib[2].urlopen doesn't return a HTTPResponse object. What am I missing?
  656. # [16:49] <SimonSapin> it does on Python 3
  657. # [16:49] <SimonSapin> well, urllib.request.urlopen()
  658. # [16:49] <jgraham> And the bug doesn't happen on python2?
  659. # [16:50] <hsivonen> annevk: ok. bug filed: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951691
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  661. # [16:51] <SimonSapin> jgraham: apparently urllib[2].urlopen does not use httplib on Python 2, but httplib is still affected
  662. # [16:51] <GPHemsley> Gonna be updating the wiki software today. Nobody panic. :)
  663. # [16:51] <jgraham> SimonSapin: I see
  664. # [16:51] <annevk> hsivonen: should we have a separate bug on removing GBK from the menu?
  665. # [16:52] <annevk> hsivonen: thinking about it, that has the same risk (in theory) so grouping them seems fine
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  667. # [16:52] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Thanks
  668. # [16:52] <hsivonen> annevk: I think we can do that in the same bug unless the label bug gets stalled somehow
  669. # [16:52] <hsivonen> annevk: I think the menu is lower risk
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  671. # [16:53] <hsivonen> annevk: since users probably already can't make an informed choice and can end up submitting whatever
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  673. # [16:53] <annevk> hsivonen: have you thought about "Character Encoding" -> "Text Encoding" btw?
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  675. # [16:53] <hsivonen> annevk: I haven't
  676. # [16:53] <hsivonen> annevk: not my bikeshed
  677. # [16:53] <annevk> hsivonen: ait
  678. # [16:53] <annevk> Chrome uses Encoding
  679. # [16:55] <annevk> IE names it Encoding as well
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  681. # [16:55] <annevk> hsivonen: would that be a bug against Firefox or some other component?
  682. # [16:56] <gsnedders> jgraham: Are you fixing the bug, then?
  683. # [16:56] <gsnedders> jgraham: Or dealing with it at least?
  684. # [16:56] <hsivonen> annevk: Firefox
  685. # [16:56] <annevk> ta
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  687. # [16:57] <jgraham> gsnedders: What bug?
  688. # [16:57] <gsnedders> jgraham: the html5lib one
  689. # [16:57] <gsnedders> jgraham: that you were discussing with SimonSapin above
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  691. # [16:59] <jgraham> gsnedders: He fixed it
  692. # [16:59] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951695
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  696. # [17:05] <rwaldron> annevk ping for quick Q
  697. # [17:06] <annevk> rwaldron: go ahead
  698. # [17:06] <rwaldron> In Boston, you mentioned an "Elements" API
  699. # [17:06] <rwaldron> IIRC, this was an Array subclass
  700. # [17:06] <rwaldron> "from the future" ;)
  701. # [17:06] <annevk> rwaldron: see links in red box http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#elements
  702. # [17:07] <rwaldron> <3
  703. # [17:07] <rwaldron> you read my mind
  704. # [17:07] <rwaldron> thanks!
  705. # [17:07] <rwaldron> (ie. the next question was "i can has link?")
  706. # [17:07] <rwaldron> thanks again
  707. # [17:07] <annevk> heh
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  729. # [18:04] <GPHemsley> Wiki upgrade in progress. Nobody panic.
  730. # [18:07] <Hixie> woot
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  733. # [18:21] <GPHemsley> OK, I think we're good. Let me know if you see any issues.
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  790. # [19:00] <SimonSapin> jgraham: what happens after approval in Critic?
  791. # [19:01] <SimonSapin> also, should I resubmit #123 to get Critic unstuck?
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  794. # [19:06] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Someone has to merge
  795. # [19:06] <jgraham> or rebbase
  796. # [19:07] <jgraham> Although I think that html5lib has a non-linear history in any case so merging might not be so bad
  797. # [19:07] <jgraham> And yes, resubmitting is probably a good idea
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  840. # [19:25] <gsnedders> jgraham: I aim for history from git onwards to be linear, FWIW
  841. # [19:26] <jgraham> gsnedders: Then you have a rebase to do :)
  842. # [19:27] <gsnedders> jgraham: If you can find the one number I need for this HMRC form.
  843. # [19:29] <Hixie> when you do frames[0].location.reload(), what's the source browsing context? the parent, or the subframe?
  844. # [19:30] <jgraham> gsnedders: Isn't the answer in the question? The number you need is 1.
  845. # [19:30] <gsnedders> jgraham: I suspect I paid more tax than £1. :)
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  847. # [19:34] <MikeSmith> Hixie: the subframe...? isn't that the case of frames[0].location.assign and .replace?
  848. # [19:35] <Hixie> Navigation for the assign() and replace() methods must be done with the responsible browsing context specified by the incumbent settings object as the source browsing context.
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  850. # [19:36] <MikeSmith> HAL^WHixie: you forgot to add ,Dave at the end of that
  851. # [19:37] <jgraham> gsnedders: Oh, just tell them the answer is in GTU (Gsnedders Tax Units)
  852. # [19:37] <gsnedders> jgraham: The form doesn't allow that. :(
  853. # [19:37] <MikeSmith> Hixie: so given that why should not that the same be true for .reload() ?
  854. # [19:38] <gsnedders> (I mean, HMRC should /already have this number/. Do I really need to tell them it!?)
  855. # [19:38] <Hixie> MikeSmith: yeah, that's my conclusion too. i've just checked that in. previously it was just undefined.
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  857. # [19:38] <Hixie> MikeSmith: it's mostly academic, really. i think it only affects if you can do parent.location.reload() when you're sandboxed allow-same-origin allow-scripts, which is a very dumb situation to be in anyway.
  858. # [19:39] <MikeSmith> oh
  859. # [19:39] <MikeSmith> well I don't plan on the doing that at least
  860. # [19:39] <Hixie> heh
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  862. # [19:40] <Hixie> oh actually location.reload() explicitly uses a different source browsing context in the situation of a non-overridden reload
  863. # [19:40] <Hixie> wonder why
  864. # [19:40] * gsnedders kinda wants to prove the event loop is free from deadlock/livelock
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  868. # [19:42] <Hixie> wow, http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=141 actually shows that's true, too
  869. # [19:42] <Hixie> at least in chrome
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  875. # [19:58] <Hixie> how the heck can i retroactively figure out the source browsing context of a document.open()'ed document
  876. # [20:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie: printf
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  878. # [20:02] <Hixie> printf of what, though?
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  880. # [20:06] <MikeSmith> some whatever object in the browser source code and you just dump it out
  881. # [20:06] <MikeSmith> after you hack the source and recompile it
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  885. # [20:12] <TabAtkins> Sigh. I hate it when people in non-American timezones try to ping me repeatedly over multiple days during times when America is asleep, and sign off when they don't hear anything from me.
  886. # [20:12] <TabAtkins> I can't respond! I'm asleep! You're a dumbass!
  887. # [20:15] <Hixie> yeah, it seems like if you're not going to stick around, then send e-mail
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  890. # [20:19] <jgraham> TabAtkins: You should schedule irc breaks into your sleep pattern
  891. # [20:19] <tantek> TabAtkins just ask them to summarize their question and see if they bother checking the logs. If they don't, it can't have been that important right?
  892. # [20:19] <TabAtkins> That seems like a legitimate solution to the problem, yes.
  893. # [20:20] <TabAtkins> tantek: I'm getting pinged privately, so there's no logs for them to check.
  894. # [20:20] <tantek> you're getting pinged privately about *standards* questions?
  895. # [20:20] <Hixie> /away i'm asleep, please leave a detailed message after the beep. BEEEP.
  896. # [20:21] <tantek> TabAtkins perhaps an irc/pm auto-responder? "If you have a question about the web platform, please ask it in #whatwg and feel free to cc my alias"
  897. # [20:22] <jgraham> or, apparently, /away If you ask me something now and sign off before I respond I will call you a dumbass in public
  898. # [20:22] <tantek> LOL
  899. # [20:22] <TabAtkins> tantek: Yup. I'd like to tell them to just ping me in #whatwg, but I can't since they dont' stick around in public places.
  900. # [20:23] <Hixie> oh this is in IM, not IRC?
  901. # [20:24] <tantek> TabAtkins - people are pinging you about *standards* exclusively in *private* places? Ignore them until they figure it out. Or send them this for some background reading: http://tantek.com/2011/168/b1/practices-good-open-web-standards-development
  902. # [20:24] <TabAtkins> tantek: Still can't send them anything. You keep missing the fundamental difficulty I'm running into here. ^_^
  903. # [20:25] <Hixie> (fwiw, i get the same thing.)
  904. # [20:26] <jgraham> TabAtkins: /away allows you to do that, doesn't it?
  905. # [20:26] <tantek> You two are too patient. I've long since told people to go the (appropriate) IRC channel and ask there.
  906. # [20:26] <Hixie> tantek: how?
  907. # [20:26] <TabAtkins> jgraham: That requires me to actaully remember to set /away.
  908. # [20:26] <tantek> TabAtkins - how are you getting the pings?
  909. # [20:26] <TabAtkins> tantek: HOW DO I TELL ANYONE TO PING ME ELSEWHERE WHEN THEY LEAVE BEFORE I CAN TELL THEM ANYTHING?!?
  910. # [20:26] <TabAtkins> ^_^
  911. # [20:26] <Hixie> yeah, what tab said
  912. # [20:26] <jgraham> TabAtkins: Well, sure, that's a problem
  913. # [20:27] <jgraham> You could possibly set up your client to do it automatically after an inactivity timeout
  914. # [20:27] <tantek> if they're able to ping you then you are able to setup an /away auto-response
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  916. # [20:27] <tantek> I think some clients auto-set /away after an inactivity timeout
  917. # [20:27] <jgraham> Although assuming you use IRCCloud that might not be super-easy
  918. # [20:27] <TabAtkins> tantek: Not a specialized one, and I don't want to spam people who are legit PMing me during the day with a mesage telling them to buzz off.
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  920. # [20:27] <TabAtkins> jgraham: Yes, that's what I use, and to the best of my knowledge I cant' set such a thing.
  921. # [20:28] <jgraham> Well you can
  922. # [20:28] <jgraham> Just need to write an extension or bookmarket, or something
  923. # [20:28] <tantek> FWIW Colloquy has a "Sleep Message" in the settings
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  925. # [20:29] <TabAtkins> tantek: Not helpful for me on a Linux box, also IRCCloud is awesome and now free through work.
  926. # [20:30] * tantek is trying the Sleep Message setting
  927. # [20:31] <TabAtkins> So IRCCloud has an auto-away, but it triggers only when you leave the page in all clients.
  928. # [20:32] <Hixie> most. ridiculous. test. ever. http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/sandbox/001.html
  929. # [20:32] <Hixie> short of bidi tests.
  930. # [20:33] <tantek> oh NM - the Colloquy sleep message is triggered like a quit message when you put your computer to sleep (as opposed to actually quitting the IRC client)
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  932. # [20:33] <tantek> TabAtkins - perhaps file a feature request with the IRCCloud folks to have an "after hours" setting that auto-sets you /away with a message.
  933. # [20:34] <TabAtkins> tantek: Yeah, gonna do that.
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  1012. # [23:27] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: just change your nick to TabAtkins_i'm_asleep_dumbass
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  1014. # [23:27] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: That requires the same level of forethought as setting /away.
  1015. # [23:29] <zcorpan> not if you have that nick when you're awake, too :-P
  1016. # [23:30] * Ms2ger is now known as Ms2ger_i_m_aslee
  1017. # [23:30] <Ms2ger_i_m_aslee> Good idea
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