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  3. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Haha, just checked out the Stats page again, and noticed that Divya floated up to both first *and* second place for "Most Caps-Lock Usage".
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  23. # [02:34] <dekiss> outlook supports cellapding?
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  28. # [02:50] <crocket> It's weird
  29. # [02:50] <crocket> Is it ok to remove table rows using "removeChild" instead of "deleteCell" or "deleteRow" in IE 10?
  30. # [02:50] <crocket> Removing rows using "removeChild" seems to lead to errors
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  32. # [02:57] <dekiss> how to make vertical space in email?
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  168. # [09:25] <Ms2ger> Happy birthday, Hixie
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  188. # [12:38] <mattaustin> Hello. I have a strange problem with html5lib 0.999 and python 3.3. If anyone could provide me a hint as to what I'm doing wrong it would be greatly appreciated.
  189. # [12:40] <mattaustin> A simple parse of some content works under python 2.7.3, python 3.2, but under 3.3 I just get the html element and empty head and body elements.
  190. # [12:41] <mattaustin> The syntax I'm using is: "html5lib.parse(response)". I tried providing the encoding keyword too (encoding='utf-8'), but it didn't make any difference.
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  192. # [12:49] <mattaustin> Any ideads/hints as to why it would work with Python 3.2 and not 3.3?
  193. # [12:52] <SimonSapin> Hi mattaustin
  194. # [12:52] <SimonSapin> what is "response"?
  195. # [12:56] <mattaustin> Hi SimonSapin
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  197. # [12:57] <mattaustin> I'm extending FancyURLopener from urllib.request (just urllib in python 2)
  198. # [12:57] <mattaustin> creating an instance of it, and then 'response = url_opener.open(url)'
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  200. # [12:58] <mattaustin> my FancyURLopener subclass just sets a custom user agent, it doesn't do anything else.
  201. # [13:00] <mattaustin> SimonSapin: My (ugly) code is at https://github.com/mattaustin/fremantleline/blob/development/fremantleline/api/__init__.py
  202. # [13:04] <SimonSapin> mattaustin: this sounds like https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/issues/127
  203. # [13:05] <SimonSapin> but 0.999 is supposed to work around it
  204. # [13:06] <SimonSapin> mattaustin: what is type(response)?
  205. # [13:06] <SimonSapin> and isinstance(response, six.http_client.HTTPResponse)?
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  210. # [13:09] <mattaustin> SimonSapin: Thanks. Didn't find that bug because I was searching for 3.3 specifically.
  211. # [13:09] <mattaustin> <class 'urllib.response.addinfourl'>
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  213. # [13:10] <mattaustin> isinstance(response, six.moves.http_client.HTTPResponse) is False
  214. # [13:10] <mattaustin> (I added in '.moves')
  215. # [13:11] <SimonSapin> and isinstance(response.fp, six.http_client.HTTPResponse) is True?
  216. # [13:11] <SimonSapin> (right, six.moves)
  217. # [13:11] <SimonSapin> note .fp
  218. # [13:11] <mattaustin> isinstance(response.fp, six.moves.http_client.HTTPResponse) is True
  219. # [13:13] <mattaustin> And, html5lib.parse(response.fp) works :)
  220. # [13:18] <SimonSapin> mattaustin: please try this https://github.com/SimonSapin/html5lib-python/commit/3516130660476241bd9e67c2e7faf8bc61bbd0cb
  221. # [13:28] <mattaustin> SimonSapin: Tested, and working - thank you :)
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  223. # [13:33] <SimonSapin> mattaustin: do you have the same name on github?
  224. # [13:33] <mattaustin> Yes, https://github.com/mattaustin/
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  226. # [13:43] <SimonSapin> mattaustin: https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/pull/134
  227. # [13:47] <mattaustin> SimonSapin: Great, thanks very much for your help :)
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  246. # [15:37] <gsnedders> Hixie: Happy birthday!
  247. # [15:37] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: This is gonna get really ugly fast. :(
  248. # [15:38] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Really tempted to suggest we ought add a firstChunk argument to the internal classes…
  249. # [15:38] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: yes, I’m not very happy with this either
  250. # [15:39] <SimonSapin> as there could be more wrappers of this kind
  251. # [15:39] <SimonSapin> how would firstChunk work?
  252. # [15:40] <SimonSapin> oh, you mean read a chunk and then pass it instead of doing read(0) ?
  253. # [15:40] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Exactly
  254. # [15:40] <SimonSapin> I guess that’d work
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  256. # [15:41] <gsnedders> It's ugly, but it's generic.
  257. # [15:41] <gsnedders> Add a comment about the fact it's just there for 20007 so can eventually go.
  258. # [15:43] <gsnedders> I don't think there's anything that makes it that bad to do.
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  260. # [15:44] <SimonSapin> yes, firstChunk sounds better than my accumulation of isinstance
  261. # [15:45] <gsnedders> IIRC we did that before someone pointed out read(0) worked.
  262. # [15:51] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: If you do this soon I'll try and push a 0.9999 with this and usedEncoding in the next couple of days.
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  269. # [17:10] <Domenic_> Does anyone else have memories of the disabled attribute working on more than just form controls, or did I dream that?
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  275. # [17:43] <jpwhiting> MikeSmith: around by chance?
  276. # [17:43] <MikeSmith> jpwhiting: yep
  277. # [17:43] <jpwhiting> I've got a question about validator.nu, it seems a <p> without matching </p> validates, fine, yet <div> without matching </div> doesn't
  278. # [17:44] <jpwhiting> why does <p> without closing tag validate?
  279. # [17:44] <MikeSmith> because it's valid
  280. # [17:45] <jpwhiting> right, why is it valid though?
  281. # [17:45] <jpwhiting> http://w3schools.com/html/html_paragraphs.asp says don't forget the end tag
  282. # [17:46] <MikeSmith> it's valid because the spec says it's valid
  283. # [17:46] <MikeSmith> don't use w3schools
  284. # [17:47] <jpwhiting> which spec? html4? html5 ?
  285. # [17:47] <MikeSmith> the html spec
  286. # [17:47] <MikeSmith> the current one
  287. # [17:48] <MikeSmith> but so did the html4 spec
  288. # [17:48] <jpwhiting> ok, good enough for me, thanks
  289. # [17:51] <MikeSmith> jpwhiting: the part of the spec that says this is http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/grouping-content.html#the-p-element
  290. # [17:52] <MikeSmith> the "tag omission" part
  291. # [17:53] <MikeSmith> same for other elements where you can omit the end tag, they'll have a "tag omission" part that says so
  292. # [17:54] <MikeSmith> for some elements, you can even omit the start tag
  293. # [17:54] <jpwhiting> heh, of course the reference material on w3.org doesn't have that section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/grouping-content.html#the-p-element :/
  294. # [17:54] <MikeSmith> like, the body element
  295. # [17:55] <jpwhiting> ah, nice
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  300. # [18:37] <Domenic_> hmmm, ommiting the body tag is valid for authors too? not just implementers-must-make-this-work?
  301. # [18:44] <gsnedders> Domenic_: Yes.
  302. # [18:44] <gsnedders> Domenic_: As is html and head
  303. # [18:44] <gsnedders> s/is/are/
  304. # [18:44] <Domenic_> fascinating...
  305. # [18:44] <gsnedders> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#syntax-tag-omission lists it all
  306. # [18:44] <Domenic_> i guess i should probably do that, seems like a nice loss of redundant stuff
  307. # [18:45] <gsnedders> <!doctype html><title>foo</title> tends to be how I start things.
  308. # [18:45] <Domenic_> gahgah you just had to link to the crash-your-browser page
  309. # [18:45] <gsnedders> Bah, but ctrl+f works so much better on it!
  310. # [18:46] * gsnedders just permamently keeps it open so only deals with the ~10 seconds it takes to load once every so often
  311. # [18:46] <gsnedders> Or just use a better web browser that copes with it better. :P
  312. # [18:48] <wilhelm> gsnedders: You forgot charset. (Imperialist scum!)
  313. # [18:48] <Domenic_> gsnedders: seems like another use case for letting web pages override the browser's find behavior :P
  314. # [18:48] <gsnedders> wilhelm: Nah, that's just set in the HTTP headers for everything by default. ;P
  315. # [18:48] <gsnedders> wilhelm: Because non-UTF-8 content doesn't exist around here!
  316. # [18:49] <wilhelm> But file://!
  317. # [18:49] <gsnedders> Is a diabolical mess and doesn't work as you expect /anyway/.
  318. # [18:49] <wilhelm> True.
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