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  137. # [16:37] <mpt> Could someone kindly give me an example of something that was in the (WhatWG-era) HTML spec for a long time before implementors decided it wasn’t a good idea?
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  141. # [16:39] <werle> mpt cc mathiasbynens
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  143. # [16:40] <SteveF> mpt: command element was around for a while
  144. # [16:44] <mpt> That would do nicely, thanks SteveF
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  147. # [16:54] <Domenic_> yeah the whole <menu> thing has been sad... I wish implementers would implement at least *something* like it.
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  151. # [16:58] <ondras> I find XUL's <command> and <key> elements really useful
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  154. # [17:06] <SteveF> Domenic_: firfox has context menus...
  155. # [17:06] <Domenic_> SteveF: right, that's true, I guess I meant "everyone" not "implementers"
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  157. # [17:15] <SteveF> Domenic_:would like to see it widely implemented, but think that styling of menus needs to be very flexible for it to be useful
  158. # [17:15] <Domenic_> SteveF: yeah, that's probably true, as much as I would like our designers to suck it up and use platform conventions :P
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  160. # [17:17] <Domenic_> We did get some start on discussing styling of <select> on, I think it was the whatwg list? Or webapps? But that trailed off... Someone just needs to do the work of writing something down for implementers to comment on, I think. Maybe now that promises is trailing off I can try to make that my next project alongside streams.
  161. # [17:18] <SteveF> Domenic_:right like that's gonna happen...
  162. # [17:18] <Domenic_> ?
  163. # [17:18] <Domenic_> oh the designers
  164. # [17:18] * Domenic_ shakes fist
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  166. # [17:23] <wilhelm> mpt: http://platform.html5.org/history/
  167. # [17:24] <wilhelm> Grep for 'dropped'.
  168. # [17:25] <mpt> wilhelm, I started doing exactly that when you provided the link. :) Thanks.
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  175. # [17:39] <MikeSmith> mpt: datagrid is another examplse I guess
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  177. # [17:39] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: annevk-cloud: fyi https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126375 "Consider using top-level domain name for encoding sniffing"
  178. # [17:40] <SteveF> Domenic_:yeah have been following threads on various lists on the subject
  179. # [17:40] <MikeSmith> mpt: oh, or what wilhelm said, and what you said after that :-)
  180. # [17:42] <SteveF> Domenic_: be great if you could get some momentum happening
  181. # [17:43] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: (I see know that ap already had Cc'ed you on that bug)
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  183. # [17:44] <Domenic_> SteveF: I'll certainly try!
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  191. # [17:56] <Hixie_> mpt: <command> mostly became <menuitem>, <datagrid> was never really fully fleshed out. a better example might be the repeating model from web forms 2, though i don't recall if that was dropped due to implementation disinterest or if it was dropped due to my realising it sucked.
  192. # [17:56] <Hixie_> a lot of the ones labeled as "dropped" in the history page were either replaced by something else or dropped before implementors really looked at it in detail
  193. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Oh, that
  194. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> I've written code that used it
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  277. # [21:47] <Hixie_> jgraham: ping
  278. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> You haven't pushed the a.ping change yet?
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  283. # [21:59] <jgraham> Hixie_: hej hej
  284. # [21:59] <Hixie_> jgraham: anolis is 504ing.
  285. # [21:59] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: ^
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  287. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> I see
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  290. # [22:04] <jgraham> Hixie_: Not sure what I can do about that
  291. # [22:04] <Hixie_> me either
  292. # [22:04] <Hixie_> do you see anything on your end?
  293. # [22:04] <Hixie_> like, in the logs?
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  296. # [22:07] <rektide> querySelectors not being able to extract attribute values is a :( v.s. XPath
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  298. # [22:08] <rektide> what is changing in a.ping? i'm writing some code that uses ping right now. i'm pretty sure it's not going to work either.
  299. # [22:08] <Hixie_> extract attribute values?
  300. # [22:08] <rektide> //a/@href
  301. # [22:08] <Hixie_> a[href]
  302. # [22:09] <rektide> won't that return a list of nodes with an href attr?
  303. # [22:09] <Hixie_> selectors return a boolean
  304. # [22:09] <Hixie_> "does this node match this selector"
  305. # [22:09] <Hixie_> same as xpath, as far as i'm aware?
  306. # [22:09] <Hixie_> but i'm no xpath expert
  307. # [22:10] <rektide> querySelector() returns a node list. document.evaluate does too.
  308. # [22:10] <Hixie_> querySelector() returns a node, but sure
  309. # [22:10] <Hixie_> querySelectorAll() returns a list
  310. # [22:11] <Hixie_> the node is the first on the list
  311. # [22:11] <rektide> yes, pardon. i'm new to this upstart new guy on the scene.
  312. # [22:11] <Hixie_> and the list is just the result of filtering the complete list of elements against the expression
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  314. # [22:11] <Hixie_> and only including the ones that return true
  315. # [22:11] <rektide> xpath let me do more complex aaddressing of things that i wanted to pull out, to select
  316. # [22:11] <Hixie_> can you elaborate? what are you trying to do?
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  318. # [22:12] <rektide> //a/@href. which is different from //a[@href] which is just a predicate
  319. # [22:12] <jgraham> Hixie_: Based on previous experience I am rather sure it is part of the server setup on that host and that I can't really configure it. Last time I think we managed to make the process faster
  320. # [22:12] <Hixie_> rektide: assume i know nothing about xpath, and tell me what your higher-level problem is
  321. # [22:13] <Hixie_> jgraham: :-(
  322. # [22:13] <Hixie_> jgraham: k
  323. # [22:13] <Hixie_> jgraham: i'll wait a bit and see if the load lightens, then :-)
  324. # [22:13] <rektide> i would like to select attribute values
  325. # [22:13] <Hixie_> i don't understand waht you mean by "select attribute values"
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  327. # [22:13] <rektide> i want to write an expression taht queries a document finding things that i want
  328. # [22:13] <Hixie_> why do you want to do it? what's your higher-level problem?
  329. # [22:14] <Hixie_> e.g. are you looking for a list of URLs that are a document's links point to?
  330. # [22:14] <rektide> yes
  331. # [22:14] <Hixie_> s/are//
  332. # [22:14] <Hixie_> ok you can do that much easier than using selectors, then
  333. # [22:14] <Hixie_> just iterate through document.links
  334. # [22:14] <rektide> i may not have told you my real problem in the full detail
  335. # [22:15] <rektide> a.foo's hrefs
  336. # [22:15] <Hixie_> iterate through querySelectorAll('a.foo[href]')
  337. # [22:16] <Hixie_> (though what you probably really want is ':link.foo, :visited.foo')
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  339. # [22:16] <Hixie_> (which xpath can't do :-) )
  340. # [22:17] <Hixie_> (':any-link.foo' if you're using newer Selectors)
  341. # [22:19] <rektide> i have a feature request
  342. # [22:19] <rektide> I'd like ping to be viable for onclick
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  344. # [22:20] <rektide> so many webapps that i'd like to userscript some auditing into have onclick handlers instead of links, and it kills my ability to use ping there.
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  346. # [22:21] <rektide> i'll probably build a 1/3 complete hackey barely-working polyfill that let's me ignore this gap in ping
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  348. # [22:22] <rektide> "If a hyperlink created by an a or area element has a ping attribute, and the user follows the hyperlink, and the value of the element's href attribute can be resolved,..." is overspecific a use case, I'd say, for what kinds of things ought be auditable in the web environment
  349. # [22:22] <Hixie_> you could just use a real link with href="javascript:..."
  350. # [22:22] <Hixie_> instead of onclick=""
  351. # [22:23] <rektide> userscript. it's not my own website i'm adding auditing to.
  352. # [22:23] <rektide> and i don't see why there ought to be an audit gap between those two otherwise near-equivalent features
  353. # [22:23] <rektide> if they are so interchangable as that, then why is one in-auditable?
  354. # [22:24] <Hixie_> i don't understand the use case. can you elaborate? you want to be able to inject script into a page you're visiting to know what link you click on?
  355. # [22:24] <rektide> yes
  356. # [22:24] <Hixie_> why don't you just tell yourself what link you're clicking on...?
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  358. # [22:24] <rektide> you are an artful dodger of real problems, lord of the web
  359. # [22:25] <rektide> :/
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  361. # [22:25] <rektide> i thought ping would be a convenient means to audit my activity in an automated fashion
  362. # [22:25] <rektide> i thought ping was there for that purpose
  363. # [22:25] <rektide> it seems amazing, i love the idea that i can add a tag to report back
  364. # [22:25] <rektide> but the things that i can audit are very very very limited
  365. # [22:26] <rektide> and i do not understand why auditing wouldn't go further
  366. # [22:26] <rektide> i also do not really understand your proposition. here's one example i'd like to instrument with auditing: <div class="arrow down login-required" tabindex="0" aria-label="downvote" role="button" onclick="$(this).vote(r.config.vote_hash, null, event)">
  367. # [22:27] <rektide> what do you propose for "tell myself what link i'm clikcing on" for this case, where someone has authored this HTML?
  368. # [22:28] <Hixie_> ping="" is primarily there so that sites can work out what link you clicked when leaving the site, since normal auditing methods fail when you click a link to leave the site
  369. # [22:29] <Hixie_> rektide: i guess i'd open a spreadsheet where i'm recording this stuff, and write "i clicked on the down arrow" or something? :-)
  370. # [22:29] <rektide> that's one very narrow specific conception of a feature
  371. # [22:29] <Hixie_> rektide: i don't understand your high-level problem here, so there's very little for me to go on.
  372. # [22:29] <rektide> Hixie_: that gets boring after the first 200 mintues spent doing that
  373. # [22:30] <rektide> and i'd have to keep opening hte spread sheet where i record stuff, and that takes effort
  374. # [22:30] <rektide> are we not human? the tool making species?
  375. # [22:30] <rektide> you have my use case! your alternative suggestion is the exact idea of what i want to do!
  376. # [22:30] <rektide> i just don't want to have to do it
  377. # [22:30] <rektide> i want links to be auditable
  378. # [22:30] <Hixie_> why
  379. # [22:31] <Hixie_> your use case is at least three levels too specific for a use case :-)
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  381. # [22:31] <rektide> because it's work and i am better than work and i am human and i can make better things
  382. # [22:31] <Hixie_> yikes, it's later than i realised. gotta go get lunch. bbiab.
  383. # [22:31] <rektide> what if it's a div.onclick that triggers a move offsite? is that for some reason not auditable?
  384. # [22:32] <rektide> why wouldn't ping be allowed to work there?
  385. # [22:32] <rektide> you're in the code by definition there, you could instrument your audit yourself in that codebase, but isn't HTML's nice declarative composable structure supposed to clean up so much of this DIY?
  386. # [22:32] <rektide> enjoy lunch
  387. # [22:32] <rektide> chao
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  394. # [22:40] <Hixie_> rektide: if you have a <div onclick=""> that triggeres a move off-site, turn it into an <a href=""> :-P
  395. # [22:40] <Hixie_> it's true that we can't audit e.g. form submissions
  396. # [22:40] <Hixie_> but it's not clear why you'd want to really
  397. # [22:41] <rektide> i just think auditing is super valauble, i love the declarative clean ismple form, and i want more of the web to be able to report on itself [doing whatever verb it is doing].
  398. # [22:41] <Hixie_> we could develop an API that's just for sending one-off pings, certainly
  399. # [22:41] <Hixie_> should probably wait for ping="" to be more widely implemented first, though
  400. # [22:41] <rektide> i see absolutely zero reason for embracing a very narrow specific use for what ping is
  401. # [22:42] <rektide> i love love love "add your URL to the list, get notified" with a common packet
  402. # [22:42] <Hixie_> the general approach is to come up with high-level use cases, then address them. if the use cases are specific, the solution ends up specific.
  403. # [22:42] <Hixie_> nobody had a use case for notifying in the cases you're mentioning, so we didn't even consider them.
  404. # [22:42] <rektide> i'm probably 1/2 done with my crappy incredibly shitty polyfill
  405. # [22:43] <rektide> that i will never maintain or like or enjy, but which will serve this huge gaping need i have
  406. # [22:43] <rektide> and it will let me add auditing that seems really basic and sensible to reddit
  407. # [22:43] <rektide> without re-engineering the entire web site to support ping's requriements
  408. # [22:44] <rektide> i totally understand that i'm adding a new scope of concern, and i have enormous sympathy for being late to the show
  409. # [22:44] <rektide> but i also think the spec as it stands is cutting off it's own limbs unnecesarrily
  410. # [22:44] <rektide> thanks for talking with me ian
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  414. # [22:52] <rektide> does anyone know if https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/NodeList#Why_can%27t_I_use_forEach_or_map_on_a_NodeList.3F will ever get better? "Why can't I use forEach or map on a NodeList"?
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