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  28. # [00:45] <gsnedders> (The reason why lxml does that stuff in C is essentially the fact you end up spending ~100% of computation time in dispatch overhead, so PyPy shouldn't suffer)
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  91. # [02:38] <TabAtkins> rektide: Somewhat. Some new APIs will return an Elements object, which is an array subclass, instead of NodeList.
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  149. # [07:01] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: It's nice that ap considers the idea worthwhile.
  150. # [07:02] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: yeah
  151. # [07:03] <MikeSmith> it's a good sign. he's pretty careful
  152. # [07:03] <MikeSmith> exacting
  153. # [07:05] <MikeSmith> fyi for anybody who's waske already (or still), it seems like there's some problem with the w3c network at the moment
  154. # [07:06] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud_: why doesn't the big5 encoder in the Encoding Standard have a special case for LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND MACRON etc.? Are those from HKSCS?
  155. # [07:07] <hsivonen> I have to wonder what the motivating idea behind Gecko's multibyte decoder abstraction is
  156. # [07:08] <hsivonen> is it more performant to avoid the code point math at run time?
  157. # [07:11] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud_: why does big5 multiply by 157? that seems weirdly inefficient
  158. # [07:12] <hsivonen> annevk-cloud_: is that math representable as shifts but I'm just not seeing it?
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  160. # [07:12] <hsivonen> (in general, it's a bit annoying that the Encoding Standard doesn't make it obvious, what parts of the math could be done on the ALU)
  161. # [07:13] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: btw https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msg/blink-dev/zIg2KC7PyH0/Ym28fD2ZIAsJ -- the part where abarth says:
  162. # [07:13] <MikeSmith> [[
  163. # [07:13] <MikeSmith> My personal view is that XML on the client is going to evolve over the coming years. I expect that browsers will move to a simplified version of XML that doesn't support namespaces or internal DTD subsets because those features introduce vastly more complexity than they're worth. Instead, I expect we'll process XML content using the "foreign content" HTML parsing algorithm, which, for example, is how we parse SVG content in HTML.
  164. # [07:13] <MikeSmith> ]]
  165. # [07:14] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: kinda scary to jus take the HTML parsing algorithm instead of taking XML5/XML-ER.
  166. # [07:14] <hsivonen> *just
  167. # [07:14] <MikeSmith> yeah
  168. # [07:14] <hsivonen> maybe I should subscribe to blink-dev
  169. # [07:15] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: subscribe and just read the threads that adam posts to :-) those are usually the ones most worth reading
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  227. # [11:39] <hsivonen> does Python really not have a format code for printing numbers in base 2?
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  229. # [11:40] <hsivonen> oh, there is bin()
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  250. # [13:11] <jgraham> Ms2ger: r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/364
  251. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> jgraham, which warnings are those?
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  257. # [13:21] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Some broken cross-references
  258. # [13:22] <jgraham> Some minor things
  259. # [13:22] <jgraham> See https://readthedocs.org/builds/wptserve/1058788/ if you can
  260. # [13:23] <Ms2ger> Hrm, is :ref:`handlers.Python` supposed to be a link?
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  262. # [13:23] <jgraham> I think readthedocs hasn't updated
  263. # [13:24] <Ms2ger> Ah, now it has
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  265. # [13:25] <jgraham> Yeah, apparently I can't enable the auto-update hook because I'm not special enough
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  267. # [13:25] <jgraham> (at least according to the W3C)
  268. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> So https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=975
  269. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> Do we want to keep null?
  270. # [13:26] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I hear you are special
  271. # [13:27] <MikeSmith> um
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  273. # [13:27] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Well. I'm not sure.
  274. # [13:27] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith is very special
  275. # [13:29] <MikeSmith> special missions subsection junior interim floor manager?
  276. # [13:29] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Possibly you can enable the ReadTheDocs webhook for https://github.com/w3c/wptserve. I assume you have to do it through the gh UI, although the rtd documentation isn't super-clear
  277. # [13:29] <MikeSmith> ah
  278. # [13:29] <jgraham> https://readthedocs.org/projects/wptserve/ since I assume you need it
  279. # [13:30] <MikeSmith> github ACLs are ass
  280. # [13:31] <MikeSmith> I hope those slackers fix that
  281. # [13:31] * MikeSmith pusshes the button
  282. # [13:32] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Thanks
  283. # [13:32] <MikeSmith> jgraham: hmm it doesn't prompt me for a URL though
  284. # [13:32] <MikeSmith> *didn't
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  287. # [13:32] <MikeSmith> yeah it doesn't let me specify a URL
  288. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> "Automatically build documentation hosted on readthedocs.org."
  289. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> is all that it says
  290. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> I pushed the "Test Hook" button nwo
  291. # [13:34] <MikeSmith> ..which for most hooks doesn't seem to actually do anything -- it just succeeds or fails, silently
  292. # [13:34] <MikeSmith> anyway I've set all that it lets me set from the GH side, afaict
  293. # [13:35] <jgraham> MikeSmith: OK. Maybe rtd does magic to work out which docs to rebuild
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  295. # [13:35] <MikeSmith> yeah it must
  296. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> jgraham, I guess keep null for now, then
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  307. # [14:15] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Thanks
  308. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> No, thank you!
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  314. # [14:24] <odinho> Ms2ger: Why do you want cuddled else? I find it less legible.
  315. # [14:28] <jgraham> odinho: Don't argue, I just fixed it :p
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  317. # [14:31] <odinho> I also did :/
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  319. # [14:31] <odinho> But you pushed already. But you have one error.
  320. # [14:31] <jgraham> (fwiw I think d(global legibility)/d(vertical lines) < 0 even though sometimes d(local legibility)/d(specific line-saving-constructs) > 0)
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  322. # [14:31] <odinho> 1 issue left.
  323. # [14:31] <odinho> And review my changes. They are good.
  324. # [14:31] <odinho> Only those missing now.
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  329. # [14:48] <jgraham> odinho: Where does the spec say that * in A-C-A-O doesn't work with preflight?
  330. # [14:49] <jgraham> (your change is fine either way)
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  333. # [14:52] <jgraham> odinho: (and if you can OK my final push I can start on the rebase :|)
  334. # [14:53] <gsnedders> hsivonen: %b should give base 2?
  335. # [14:55] <odinho> jgraham: It says that somewhere. I've read that spec thousand times. I'm going out now, so can't look up the ref :) Did the ok-ing.
  336. # [14:55] <hsivonen> gsnedders: ValueError: unsupported format character 'b' (0x62) at index 1
  337. # [15:01] <gsnedders> hsivonen: Oh, so str.format supports b but the % operator doesn't
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  340. # [15:02] <jgraham> You can do it the nice way but only if you don't also want nice things?
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  347. # [15:19] <jgraham> So, that was surprisingly easy
  348. # [15:19] <jgraham> Oh, and critic did the rebase just like it's supposed to
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  350. # [15:20] <jgraham> (probably means I missed something)
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  352. # [15:31] <jgraham> Well the review is accepted
  353. # [15:31] <jgraham> I wonder what to do now :)
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  355. # [15:33] <jgraham> (that is more or less a serious wonder, btw. I could squash and merge, but I don't really trust that everything is going to be working OK and it will break w3c-test.org)
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  358. # [15:45] <Ms2ger> Post to p-t-infra?
  359. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> And land if nobody complains somewhere next week
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  387. # [16:55] <jgraham> Ms2ger: One more for you
  388. # [16:55] <Ms2ger> Which review?
  389. # [16:56] <jgraham> r/440
  390. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> Ship it
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  392. # [17:01] <jgraham> Two down, one to go :)
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  413. # [17:39] <SimonSapin> does the html parser ever emits attributes in a namespace?
  414. # [17:40] <jgraham> Yes
  415. # [17:41] <jgraham> <svg><a xlink:href="foo">something
  416. # [17:41] <SimonSapin> thanks
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  418. # [17:45] <tantek> because SVG couldn't just re-use <a href> from HTML.
  419. # [17:45] <tantek> is anyone working on fixing that so we can deprecate xlink completely?
  420. # [17:45] <jgraham> To be fair to SVG they were sold this vision of the glorious XML future
  421. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> You? :)
  422. # [17:46] <jgraham> Or, possibly, they helped propogate the vision
  423. # [17:46] <tantek> jgraham - they were definitely pushing it.
  424. # [17:47] <tantek> Ms2ger - I try not to touch svg related things. Usually there's a big undefined mess behind them.
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  427. # [18:03] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/horse_js/status/419144086528868352 narrows down @horse_js's identity quite a bit
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  431. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: horse_js is running as a write-in candidate
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  435. # [18:08] <jgraham> Ah, I assumed that was "running for" as in "running for my dog that died in the spring"
  436. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> That's not an expression I've heard before
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  440. # [18:12] <jgraham> Imagine someone literally running in support or memory of a cause
  441. # [18:12] <jgraham> In other news, no innerHTML tests, really?
  442. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> A few, in the DOMPS repo
  443. # [18:13] <jgraham> Can we migrate them to wpt?
  444. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> We certainly can
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  488. # [20:38] <bholley> Hixie_: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956382
  489. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> SVG2 is dropping *all* of the attribute namespaces.
  490. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> href/etc are just going to be in the null namespace like normal.
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  493. # [20:59] <Hixie_> bholley: thanks
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  496. # [21:01] <Domenic_> I'm vaguely curious what APIs use DOMTokenList and not DOMSettableTokenList
  497. # [21:02] <Hixie_> whatwg.org/C find-in-page "TokenList"
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  501. # [21:11] <Ms2ger> Domenic_, relList and classList, for example
  502. # [21:12] <Ms2ger> Because rel and className already existed
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  506. # [21:19] <Domenic_> Ms2ger ah that makes sense, thanks.
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  534. # [22:45] <Ms2ger> Hrm, why didn't I get jgraham's email.
  535. # [22:45] <Ms2ger> ?
  536. # [22:47] <Ms2ger> "Why is this message in Spam? You previously marked messages from james@hoppipolla.co.uk as spam."
  537. # [22:47] <Ms2ger> Oops
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  541. # [22:53] <Hixie_> heh
  542. # [22:55] <Ms2ger> So now I'm reading a month's backlog of jgraham's email
  543. # [22:55] <Ms2ger> Gmail kindly deleted everything older than that, of course
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  554. # [23:31] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: i live in fear of that happening to me
  555. # [23:32] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: every now and then i find an e-mail i'm missing, find it in spam, look for others...
  556. # [23:32] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: rarely do i find many, but i live in fear of those that i'm missing
  557. # [23:32] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: given how much spam i get there's not much i can do about it
  558. # [23:33] <Ms2ger> Yeah :/
  559. # [23:33] <Ms2ger> At least it was only jgraham here :)
  560. # [23:33] <Hixie_> anyone know who sof@opera.com is? (so i can add them to the acks)
  561. # [23:34] <Ms2ger> Sigbjørn Finne, says google
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