/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2014-01-10 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Fri Jan 10 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:04] * Quits: encryptd_fractal (~mfrawley@66-188-99-174.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  4. # [00:10] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.217.170) (Quit: othermaciej)
  5. # [00:12] <Hixie> is there a "destroy a css style sheet"? hmm...
  6. # [00:25] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  7. # [00:25] * Quits: marcosc_ (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Remote host closed the connection)
  8. # [00:27] * Joins: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com)
  9. # [00:27] * Joins: hoobdeebla (~hoobdeebl@ip70-190-42-239.ph.ph.cox.net)
  10. # [00:28] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.204)
  11. # [00:29] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  12. # [00:32] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  13. # [00:33] * Joins: Mentioum (~Mentioum@onwHAcoreFw1.2i3.net)
  14. # [00:33] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.204) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  15. # [00:34] * Quits: ap (~ap@17.114.111.59) (Quit: ap)
  16. # [00:36] * Quits: webguynow (~webguynow@c-24-1-222-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  17. # [00:42] * Quits: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230) (Remote host closed the connection)
  18. # [00:43] * Joins: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230)
  19. # [00:43] * Quits: Mentioum (~Mentioum@onwHAcoreFw1.2i3.net) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  20. # [00:46] * Quits: roc (~chatzilla@121.99.133.132) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  21. # [00:47] * Joins: jdaggett_ (~jdaggett@61-121-216-2.bitcat.net)
  22. # [00:53] * Quits: decotii (~decotii@hq.croscon.com) (Quit: Leaving)
  23. # [00:54] * Joins: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:304:1841:24f0:b322:175b)
  24. # [00:57] * Quits: sgalineau (~sylvaing@192.150.22.5) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  25. # [00:59] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  26. # [01:00] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  27. # [01:00] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  28. # [01:01] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@atk110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  29. # [01:01] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@atk110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Changing host)
  30. # [01:01] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek)
  31. # [01:05] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  32. # [01:07] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  33. # [01:09] * Joins: Mentioum (~Mentioum@213.205.240.184)
  34. # [01:10] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102) (Quit: Leaving...)
  35. # [01:11] * Quits: Ir1sh (~Ir1sh@89.100.254.231) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  36. # [01:12] * Joins: Ir1sh (~Ir1sh@89.100.254.231)
  37. # [01:12] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94)
  38. # [01:18] * Quits: Ir1sh (~Ir1sh@89.100.254.231) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  39. # [01:19] * Quits: Mentioum (~Mentioum@213.205.240.184) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  40. # [01:19] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.217.170)
  41. # [01:28] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.114.106.107) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  42. # [01:30] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.155.191)
  43. # [01:32] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  44. # [01:32] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  45. # [01:37] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.155.191) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  46. # [01:45] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)
  47. # [01:50] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63)
  48. # [01:51] * Quits: fishd (~darin@216.239.45.66) (Quit: Leaving)
  49. # [01:51] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  50. # [01:52] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.217.170) (Quit: othermaciej)
  51. # [01:54] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94) (Quit: weinig)
  52. # [01:54] <wirepair> hsivonen : you about?
  53. # [01:56] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.114.165.158)
  54. # [02:01] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.114.165.158) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  55. # [02:01] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  56. # [02:01] * Quits: Benvie (~bbenvie@guest-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  57. # [02:02] * Joins: Benvie (~bbenvie@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  58. # [02:05] * Quits: SonicX (~quassel@n128-227-159-240.xlate.ufl.edu) (Remote host closed the connection)
  59. # [02:05] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  60. # [02:06] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  61. # [02:08] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@76.74.153.49)
  62. # [02:10] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  63. # [02:12] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:304:1841:24f0:b322:175b) (Quit: ap)
  64. # [02:12] * Quits: lmclister (~lmclister@sjfw1-b.adobe.com)
  65. # [02:13] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  66. # [02:26] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  67. # [02:27] * Quits: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  68. # [02:28] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94)
  69. # [02:28] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek) (Quit: jarek)
  70. # [02:30] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  71. # [02:30] * Quits: seventh (seventh@185.29.164.47) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  72. # [02:35] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  73. # [02:36] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  74. # [02:37] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94) (Quit: weinig)
  75. # [02:39] * Joins: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  76. # [02:40] * Quits: say2joe (~say2joe@209-253-225-97.ip.mcleodusa.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  77. # [02:41] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  78. # [02:41] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  79. # [02:45] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  80. # [02:49] * Quits: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230) (Remote host closed the connection)
  81. # [02:50] * Joins: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net)
  82. # [02:50] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@76.74.153.49) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  83. # [02:54] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  84. # [02:56] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  85. # [03:04] * Joins: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat)
  86. # [03:07] * Joins: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel)
  87. # [03:07] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@c-76-28-195-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: yoshu)
  88. # [03:13] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  89. # [03:16] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  90. # [03:18] * Quits: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  91. # [03:23] * Quits: jeremyj (~jeremyj@17.114.110.41) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  92. # [03:25] * Joins: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel)
  93. # [03:26] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  94. # [03:31] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  95. # [03:33] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  96. # [03:34] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  97. # [03:35] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  98. # [03:37] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
  99. # [03:43] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  100. # [03:44] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  101. # [03:51] * Joins: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@1.148.3.31)
  102. # [03:51] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-7.1450hg.fc19 [XULRunner 26.0/20131209183133])
  103. # [03:52] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Remote host closed the connection)
  104. # [03:53] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63)
  105. # [03:55] * Joins: jeremyj (~jeremyj@c-24-4-202-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  106. # [04:00] * Quits: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@1.148.3.31) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  107. # [04:07] * Joins: prady00 (39fae7f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.57.250.231.247)
  108. # [04:09] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  109. # [04:13] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93)
  110. # [04:27] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  111. # [04:28] * Joins: Goplat` (~goplat@50-0-95-23.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  112. # [04:28] * Quits: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat) (Disconnected by services)
  113. # [04:30] * Quits: aiglesias (~aiglesias@92-195-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) (Remote host closed the connection)
  114. # [04:31] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  115. # [04:36] * Goplat` is now known as Goplat
  116. # [04:36] * Quits: Goplat (~goplat@50-0-95-23.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Changing host)
  117. # [04:36] * Joins: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat)
  118. # [04:42] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  119. # [04:42] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  120. # [04:43] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
  121. # [04:45] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  122. # [04:46] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  123. # [04:47] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  124. # [04:50] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  125. # [04:56] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@c-98-234-121-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  126. # [04:58] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  127. # [04:59] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63)
  128. # [05:07] * Quits: karbassi (~karbassi@li62-206.members.linode.com)
  129. # [05:11] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  130. # [05:12] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93) (Quit: yoshu)
  131. # [05:12] * Quits: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  132. # [05:13] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@c-98-234-121-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: weinig)
  133. # [05:13] <falken> Hixie: if possible, could you see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20418 (related to the objections about <dialog> being magical)
  134. # [05:13] * Joins: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  135. # [05:15] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93)
  136. # [05:15] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93) (Client Quit)
  137. # [05:16] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93)
  138. # [05:16] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  139. # [05:21] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  140. # [05:24] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@c-98-234-121-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  141. # [05:28] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  142. # [05:32] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  143. # [05:32] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  144. # [05:38] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  145. # [05:39] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  146. # [05:43] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  147. # [05:45] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93) (Quit: yoshu)
  148. # [05:45] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  149. # [05:46] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93)
  150. # [05:49] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  151. # [05:51] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@c-98-234-121-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: weinig)
  152. # [05:51] * Quits: pxz (pxz@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe93:309d) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  153. # [05:51] * Quits: jmb (~jmb@mail.parsifal.org.uk) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  154. # [05:52] * Quits: edsu (~edsu@pdpc/supporter/active/edsu) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  155. # [05:53] * Joins: edsu (~edsu@li144-162.members.linode.com)
  156. # [05:53] * Quits: edsu (~edsu@li144-162.members.linode.com) (Changing host)
  157. # [05:53] * Joins: edsu (~edsu@pdpc/supporter/active/edsu)
  158. # [05:54] * Joins: jmb (~jmb@mail.parsifal.org.uk)
  159. # [05:55] * Quits: hoobdeebla (~hoobdeebl@ip70-190-42-239.ph.ph.cox.net)
  160. # [06:12] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  161. # [06:23] * Quits: jeremyj (~jeremyj@c-24-4-202-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  162. # [06:25] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Remote host closed the connection)
  163. # [06:26] * Joins: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.196)
  164. # [06:36] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@63.228.118.93) (Quit: yoshu)
  165. # [06:45] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  166. # [06:49] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com)
  167. # [06:50] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  168. # [06:53] * Joins: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com)
  169. # [06:53] * Quits: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com) (Client Quit)
  170. # [06:54] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@206-248-164-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  171. # [07:01] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  172. # [07:03] <Hixie> falken: yeah, saw that one earlier. wasn't sure what the implications were.
  173. # [07:03] <Hixie> falken: treating modal and non-modal dialogs the same doesn't seem like an obviously right thing to do
  174. # [07:05] <Hixie> falken: (abs pos on the "top" layer should hopefully work via nesting? not sure exactly.)
  175. # [07:08] * Joins: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com)
  176. # [07:08] * Quits: clamstar (~textual@cpe-67-247-7-62.nyc.res.rr.com) (Client Quit)
  177. # [07:09] <falken> Hixie: not sure what you mean by working via nesting. if it's in the top layer, abs pos will just work because cb is ICB
  178. # [07:09] <Hixie> i mean abs posed boxes in the boxes that are themeselves in the top layer
  179. # [07:10] <Hixie> (isn't z-index independent of containing block?)
  180. # [07:10] <Hixie> (i though z-index only depended on stacking contexts)
  181. # [07:11] <falken> right i think in theory z-index only depends on stacking context, but in practice we contruct the layers by traversing the render tree, and the easiest way to make something's cb the icb is by moving its renderer to be a child of the root
  182. # [07:14] <falken> I'm not sure what you mean though. Abs pos box of a box in the top layer just works. But if the abs pos box itself is in the top layer, it will be positioned relative to ICB, regardless of whether it's a child of something in the top layer
  183. # [07:18] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63)
  184. # [07:21] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  185. # [07:22] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  186. # [07:23] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@101.165.85.63) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  187. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> hey good afternoon falken
  188. # [07:25] <falken> hi MikeSmith
  189. # [07:27] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  190. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> falken: I know you are busy with <dialog> at the moment but I wanted to ask you if you been thinking about Streams, or following the discussions about it
  191. # [07:28] * Joins: cgcardona_ (~cgcardona@c-24-4-198-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  192. # [07:28] * Joins: Kolombiken1 (~Adium@c80-216-10-244.bredband.comhem.se)
  193. # [07:28] <falken> MikeSmith: not so much... what's up?
  194. # [07:28] * Parts: Kolombiken1 (~Adium@c80-216-10-244.bredband.comhem.se)
  195. # [07:29] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  196. # [07:31] <tyoshino_> MikeSmith: hi Mike
  197. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> hey hey tyoshino_
  198. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> didn't know you were on here
  199. # [07:32] <tyoshino_> sorry. i wasn't watching
  200. # [07:32] <tyoshino_> Streams API?
  201. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> falken: we have a bit of a split between tyoshino_ Streams API draft and one the Domenic_ is working on
  202. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> so tyoshino_ it would be nice if we can try to get agreement on a unified spec this month or next, say
  203. # [07:34] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  204. # [07:34] <tyoshino_> yes. we're also talking with Marcos of Mozilla about that
  205. # [07:34] <MikeSmith> cool
  206. # [07:35] <MikeSmith> woudl be great to chat with Domenic_ directly too
  207. # [07:35] <MikeSmith> here's on this channel most every day at US time
  208. # [07:35] <MikeSmith> tyoshino_: you planning a visit to US any time soon?
  209. # [07:36] <tyoshino_> yeah. i had some chat with him and smurg regarding Promise vs. event in December
  210. # [07:37] <tyoshino_> no for now. but i can be online in US day time if needed
  211. # [07:39] <Hixie> falken: i guess i just don't understand the problem you're trying to solve in the bug in sufficient detail.
  212. # [07:39] <Hixie> falken: gotta go to bed though, and i'm ~afk until monday.
  213. # [07:40] <falken> Hixie: OK thanks I'll try to add more detail in the meantime
  214. # [07:46] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  215. # [07:46] <MikeSmith> tyoshino_: maybe you could stay on some evening and ping Domenic_ to chat here real time
  216. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> tyoshino_: alternatively, start a discussion on the whatwg list or public-webapps
  217. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> discussion about resolving the spec difference
  218. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> *differences
  219. # [07:49] <tyoshino_> thanks for suggestions. we've already asked Marcos for arrangement of such a place. so, i'd like to wait for his response first.
  220. # [07:50] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  221. # [07:56] <MikeSmith> tyoshino_: sounds good
  222. # [08:06] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@199-188-193-107.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net)
  223. # [08:08] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  224. # [08:12] * Quits: Goplat (~goplat@reactos/developer/Goplat) (Remote host closed the connection)
  225. # [08:14] * Joins: mvaldas9 (~mvaldas9@penthouse.gaumina.lt)
  226. # [08:17] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: yoshu)
  227. # [08:17] * Joins: niloy_ (~niloy@223.239.204.196)
  228. # [08:17] * Quits: niloy_ (~niloy@223.239.204.196) (Client Quit)
  229. # [08:25] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  230. # [08:26] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  231. # [08:28] * Joins: tobie (~tobielang@col74-1-88-183-112-72.fbx.proxad.net)
  232. # [08:30] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  233. # [08:33] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.180.161.203)
  234. # [08:34] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  235. # [08:38] * Quits: ImBcmDth (~Jon@oftn/member/ImBcmDth) (Disconnected by services)
  236. # [08:38] * Joins: ImBcmDth (~Jon@oftn/member/ImBcmDth)
  237. # [08:41] * Joins: g4 (~g4@unaffiliated/gormer)
  238. # [08:42] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  239. # [08:45] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  240. # [08:45] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  241. # [08:59] * Joins: molsson (~molsson@83.218.67.123)
  242. # [09:09] * Quits: jdaggett_ (~jdaggett@61-121-216-2.bitcat.net) (Quit: jdaggett_)
  243. # [09:11] * Quits: cgcardona_ (~cgcardona@c-24-4-198-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: cgcardona_)
  244. # [09:14] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@109.201.154.176)
  245. # [09:19] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com)
  246. # [09:23] <hsivonen> wirepair: pong
  247. # [09:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: what's my bad analogy? The software patents one? That TimBL countered with the ice cream truck analogy?
  248. # [09:25] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@78.109.80.74)
  249. # [09:26] <wirepair> hey hsivonen
  250. # [09:26] <wirepair> so i want to use your html5 parser to basically hook each tokenizer/location transition
  251. # [09:26] <wirepair> was wondering if there were any examples anywhere
  252. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: yeah, it was your software-patents analogy (which to be clear I didn't think was a bad analogy at all)
  253. # [09:28] <hsivonen> wirepair: there might be a Java example in NetBeans, but I haven't looked
  254. # [09:28] <hsivonen> wirepair: there's a C++ example in Gecko's View Source highlighting
  255. # [09:29] <wirepair> hmm, any hints as to which objects i should be looking at?
  256. # [09:30] <wirepair> or if you can point me to the C++ example i might be able to figure it out
  257. # [09:30] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  258. # [09:31] <hsivonen> wirepair: in Java, TransitionHandler and ErrorReportingTokenizer
  259. # [09:31] <hsivonen> wirepair: in C++, follow identifiers from https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/html/nsHtml5Highlighter.cpp to the tokenizer
  260. # [09:32] <wirepair> ok cool, i'll try to figure it out
  261. # [09:32] <wirepair> thanks!
  262. # [09:35] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  263. # [09:36] * Quits: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.196) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  264. # [09:38] <hsivonen> hmm. http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20140109 shows more context than /lastlog. I should read the full log instead of my /lastlog
  265. # [09:39] <hsivonen> Domenic_: is https://hsivonen.fi/eme/ at all like what you are looking for?
  266. # [09:40] * Quits: kuatsure (~kuatsure@cpe-184-59-100-169.cinci.res.rr.com) (Quit: zzz)
  267. # [09:42] * hsivonen wonders if anyone has registered domain names with Hong Kong-only ideographs in them and how those domain names are working out in terms of users finding the sites
  268. # [09:48] * Joins: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.196)
  269. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: hmm yeah people should read that writeup about EME
  270. # [09:58] * Quits: mattaust1n (mattaustin@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tauzqvhgszcydcfc) (Remote host closed the connection)
  271. # [10:02] * hsivonen sees a TAG thread about a new HTTP response code without any of the reformers posting to the thread
  272. # [10:02] <hsivonen> I don't understand the use case for the new code
  273. # [10:09] <zcorpan_> who needs use cases
  274. # [10:13] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: sounds like it's a redirect but without another RTT
  275. # [10:20] <hsivonen> who is "dka" and who is "twirl" in TAG minutes?
  276. # [10:21] <hsivonen> Is dka Daniel K. Appelquist?
  277. # [10:21] <hsivonen> is twirl Sergey?
  278. # [10:24] * Joins: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.10.c.fiberdirekt.net)
  279. # [10:26] * Quits: prady00 (39fae7f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.57.250.231.247) (Quit: Page closed)
  280. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> dka ia Dan
  281. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> I don't know who twirl is
  282. # [10:42] * Quits: fredy (~fredy@2001:648:2ffc:1225:a800:ff:fe12:113e) (Excess Flood)
  283. # [10:44] * Joins: fredy (~fredy@snf-8914.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr)
  284. # [10:45] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: it seems to me the motivating use case for the new response code has more to do with SemWeb than with avoiding one RTT
  285. # [10:46] * hsivonen decides not to care about the new response code
  286. # [10:50] * hsivonen sees SPARQL mentioned in the TAG Push API discussion. Uh oh.
  287. # [10:53] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@207.218.72.65)
  288. # [10:54] * Quits: charl (~charl@2001:67c:2564:524:1da2:4638:dae7:fabb) (Quit: leaving)
  289. # [10:55] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  290. # [10:57] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  291. # [11:02] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.104.248.getinternet.no) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  292. # [11:06] * Quits: twisted` (sid6794@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfseuvljgkoxaazv)
  293. # [11:09] * Joins: Ir1sh (~Ir1sh@89.100.254.231)
  294. # [11:13] * Joins: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@60-241-188-143.static.tpgi.com.au)
  295. # [11:14] * Joins: twisted` (sid6794@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lzlmeeelwuyorkno)
  296. # [11:22] * Joins: niloy_ (~niloy@223.239.205.174)
  297. # [11:22] * Quits: niloy (~niloy@223.239.204.196) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  298. # [11:26] <darobin> annevk: so, got drunk all night to celebrate your liberation?
  299. # [11:26] <annevk> darobin: three more weeks no?
  300. # [11:26] <annevk> darobin: also, I kind of agreed to come one last time in April
  301. # [11:26] <darobin> oh, you're probably right
  302. # [11:26] <darobin> that's outrageous
  303. # [11:27] * darobin starts a FREE ANNE campaign
  304. # [11:27] <hsivonen> darobin: how's your freedom at the HTML WG?
  305. # [11:27] <darobin> hsivonen: once a week MikeSmith brings me a nice sandwich down in the mines
  306. # [11:27] <annevk> But after that I'll have at least a month worth of extra time each year, which seems pretty good.
  307. # [11:28] <annevk> Haha, shit would fall apart if not for MikeSmith
  308. # [11:28] <hsivonen> how to get an extra month each year: run for the TAG, get elected, don't run again
  309. # [11:28] <darobin> I certainly would
  310. # [11:28] <annevk> hsivonen: are you trying to get quoted by @w3cmemes?
  311. # [11:29] <darobin> MikeSmith is the Care Bear from the Pit of Despair
  312. # [11:29] <hsivonen> annevk: not particularly
  313. # [11:32] * hsivonen is still trying to form an opinion on whether to implement the Encoding Standard for GB18030 in Gecko or to get cold feet and suggest retaining gbk as a distinct encoding in order to submit NCRs as before
  314. # [11:34] * Quits: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@60-241-188-143.static.tpgi.com.au) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  315. # [11:46] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  316. # [11:51] <annevk> hsivonen: the question is what kind of gbk would you implement, would you have it be a different two-byte table from gb18030?
  317. # [11:51] <annevk> hsivonen: that would simplify the least
  318. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, hmm, clearly I should run for the TAG, then...
  319. # [12:18] <darobin> Ms2ger: I reckon you're more the AB type
  320. # [12:18] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Seems I don't know how function comparison works :)
  321. # [12:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  322. # [12:18] <darobin> there's an election later this year, I'll start rallying around your candidacy
  323. # [12:18] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: it’s not about comparaison, it’s that instance.method is a wrapper (bound method) over class.method, in order to add the "self" parameter
  324. # [12:18] <SimonSapin> so it’s not the same object
  325. # [12:19] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Oh, right
  326. # [12:20] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi)
  327. # [12:20] * Joins: adactio (~adactio@212.42.170.181)
  328. # [12:21] <SimonSapin> (see "descriptors" for how this all works)
  329. # [12:23] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  330. # [12:28] * Quits: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  331. # [12:41] <smola> annevk: sorry for the bug-noise
  332. # [12:42] <annevk> no worries
  333. # [12:42] <annevk> the review is great
  334. # [12:43] * Quits: aural (~aural@unaffiliated/necrodearia) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  335. # [12:44] * Joins: shaunbaker (~shaunbake@brick-lane.lbi.co.uk)
  336. # [12:51] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  337. # [12:53] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  338. # [13:16] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  339. # [13:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  340. # [13:21] * Joins: [[zzz]] (~zz]]@node-68k.pool-125-25.dynamic.totbb.net)
  341. # [13:23] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  342. # [13:24] * Quits: [[zz]] (~zz]]@node-6to.pool-125-25.dynamic.totbb.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  343. # [13:25] * [[zzz]] is now known as [[zz]]
  344. # [13:27] * Quits: shaunbaker (~shaunbake@brick-lane.lbi.co.uk) (Remote host closed the connection)
  345. # [13:29] * falken is now known as falken_away
  346. # [13:31] * Joins: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@60-241-188-143.static.tpgi.com.au)
  347. # [13:55] <smaug____> is DOMStringList deprecated
  348. # [13:56] <smaug____> DOM3 has it
  349. # [13:56] <smaug____> but DOM doesn't say anything about it
  350. # [13:59] <annevk> yes we killed it
  351. # [13:59] <annevk> I guess I should put it on the obsolete list indeed
  352. # [13:59] <annevk> forgot to do that I think
  353. # [14:00] <smaug____> annevk: IDB still refers to DOMStringList
  354. # [14:01] <smaug____> annevk: what should be used in APIs there days then?
  355. # [14:01] <annevk> smaug____: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/commit/8f73159d4a9e2e1a002f4eb1dfd4df3f645e9575
  356. # [14:01] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  357. # [14:02] <annevk> An Array
  358. # [14:02] * smaug____ tries to recall what was decided about [] and sequence
  359. # [14:02] <smaug____> annevk: DOMString[] ?
  360. # [14:03] <annevk> smaug____: well, as bz will tell you we're not quite clear [] is the right thing
  361. # [14:03] <smaug____> I thought that got resolved
  362. # [14:04] <annevk> I think there are some proposals, not sure if anything stuck yet
  363. # [14:04] <smaug____> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942631
  364. # [14:07] * Quits: tobie (~tobielang@col74-1-88-183-112-72.fbx.proxad.net) (Quit: tobie)
  365. # [14:08] <annevk> cool
  366. # [14:11] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)
  367. # [14:12] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  368. # [14:13] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  369. # [14:15] <hsivonen> annevk: is the Encoding Standard already compatible with the HK govt standard?
  370. # [14:16] * hsivonen was too lazy to compare the Encoding Standard with the HK govt character list
  371. # [14:16] <annevk> hsivonen: I'd have to check; foolip did most of the work on big5
  372. # [14:16] <annevk> hsivonen: I can go through that bug in an hour or so
  373. # [14:16] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  374. # [14:16] <hsivonen> annevk: cool
  375. # [14:17] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  376. # [14:17] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  377. # [14:18] * Joins: decotii (~decotii@hq.croscon.com)
  378. # [14:27] * Joins: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  379. # [14:43] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  380. # [14:44] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  381. # [14:44] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  382. # [14:45] * Joins: shaunbaker (~shaunbake@2001:67c:90:7ff:106a:23cb:99f2:59d8)
  383. # [14:47] * Joins: shaunbak_ (~shaunbake@brick-lane.lbi.co.uk)
  384. # [14:49] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  385. # [14:51] * Quits: shaunbaker (~shaunbake@2001:67c:90:7ff:106a:23cb:99f2:59d8) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  386. # [14:51] <Ms2ger> annevk, do you get critic email?
  387. # [14:52] <annevk> no
  388. # [14:55] <jgraham> annevk: Boo
  389. # [14:55] <Ms2ger> Then please look at https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/29 manually :)
  390. # [14:56] <hsivonen> Hixie: are you planning on adopting this change to the parsing algorithm: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/e2ddb663fd04803d2be7f16026e2117ced167c01#diff-36cd38f49b9afa08222c0dc9ebfe35ebL98664 ?
  391. # [14:58] <hsivonen> darobin: I'm pretty worried abou the precedent of the W3C forking the parsing algorithm. The HTML WG is supposed to bikeshed stuff that doesn't affect implementations.
  392. # [14:59] * Joins: tj_vantoll (~Adium@2601:4:1400:656:e551:b159:45fc:5657)
  393. # [15:00] <darobin> hsivonen: if implementers back out of it then it'll get yanked of course
  394. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> Of course?
  395. # [15:00] <darobin> Ms2ger: well, so long as I have commit rights :)
  396. # [15:01] <darobin> hsivonen: I'm all for sticking to unifying bikeshedding and all, but I have yet to find a user who doesn't agree that's the way to do this
  397. # [15:01] <darobin> also, it matches usage in content
  398. # [15:02] <darobin> (that I could get my hands on at least)
  399. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> Did you manage to convince Hixie you're right?
  400. # [15:05] <darobin> Ms2ger: no, as far as I know he just called it "overengineered"
  401. # [15:06] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  402. # [15:06] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  403. # [15:06] <darobin> but at this point it's Hixie on one side and pretty much everyone else who has an opinion on the other side
  404. # [15:06] <jgraham> Oh sweet jesus please don't fork the parser
  405. # [15:06] * Joins: _mvaldas9 (~mvaldas9@penthouse.gaumina.lt)
  406. # [15:06] <darobin> jgraham: do not panic, there is plenty of time to fix this
  407. # [15:06] <darobin> it just takes everyone to chill :)
  408. # [15:08] * Quits: mvaldas9 (~mvaldas9@penthouse.gaumina.lt) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  409. # [15:12] * Ms2ger assumes Hixie is right, then
  410. # [15:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  411. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> I'm chill already
  412. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> so basically everybody should just be more like me
  413. # [15:19] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203)
  414. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, it's true
  415. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> Every night before I go to bed, I reflect on how I can be more like MikeSmith
  416. # [15:22] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  417. # [15:22] <Ms2ger> zco... well dammit
  418. # [15:25] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  419. # [15:30] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  420. # [15:33] * Quits: dylanlindgren (~kartstar@60-241-188-143.static.tpgi.com.au) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  421. # [15:35] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.10.c.fiberdirekt.net) (Quit: tomasf)
  422. # [15:35] * Joins: _bga (~bga@bga.name)
  423. # [15:36] * Parts: _bga (~bga@bga.name)
  424. # [15:37] <MikeSmith> but anyway I agree that when somebody else actually takes time to work with others to understand a problem and use cases and then actually write a spec that addresses the problem and use cases he's learned about, it's right that we should all gang up together and beat that person down
  425. # [15:38] <MikeSmith> we must exercise zero tolerance for that kind of factionalist reactionary behavior in our party
  426. # [15:40] <hsivonen> (I'm not saying that the parsing algorithm change is a bad idea. I'm saying that the WHATWG and W3C parsing specs diverging is.)
  427. # [15:40] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  428. # [15:41] <MikeSmith> yeah understood
  429. # [15:45] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: and I'm not saying that the parsing algorithm change is a good idea. I'm not convinced myself that the ruby spec needs to change. But a lot of other people in Japan who've been considering this seems to believe different.
  430. # [15:45] * Joins: aiglesias (~aiglesias@92-195-17-190.fibertel.com.ar)
  431. # [15:46] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  432. # [15:46] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  433. # [15:48] * gsnedders doesn't want the parser forked because it means we can get into arguments about whether html5lib supports HTML5 or HTML.
  434. # [15:57] * Quits: niloy_ (~niloy@223.239.205.174) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  435. # [15:57] * Joins: kuatsure (~kuatsure@74.83.252.220)
  436. # [15:57] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  437. # [15:59] * Quits: kuatsure (~kuatsure@74.83.252.220) (Client Quit)
  438. # [15:59] * Joins: encryptd_fractal (~mfrawley@66-188-99-174.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com)
  439. # [16:00] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102)
  440. # [16:03] <odinho> Ms2ger: Testing that FormData worked, -- you could just send it to some python echo script and read that back, no?
  441. # [16:07] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  442. # [16:08] <hsivonen> annevk: can you refresh my memory about what GB2312 means in IE?
  443. # [16:09] <hsivonen> annevk: is it a label of GBK? a distinct encoding that works identically to GBK? a different encoding?
  444. # [16:11] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  445. # [16:12] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  446. # [16:13] * Quits: davve` (~user@83.218.67.123) (Remote host closed the connection)
  447. # [16:15] <hsivonen> decodes like GBK at least in IE
  448. # [16:16] * Joins: cgcardona_ (~cgcardona@c-24-4-198-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  449. # [16:16] * Quits: cgcardona_ (~cgcardona@c-24-4-198-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
  450. # [16:17] <annevk> hsivonen: will test now
  451. # [16:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  452. # [16:19] * Joins: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  453. # [16:19] <hsivonen> encodes as GBK, too
  454. # [16:19] <annevk> Ms2ger: ask again Monday
  455. # [16:19] <hsivonen> http://hsivonen.com/test/moz/gb2312.htm
  456. # [16:20] <hsivonen> now I'm less sure about aliasing all these to GB18030 again :-(
  457. # [16:20] <annevk> hsivonen: gbk becomes gb2312
  458. # [16:20] <hsivonen> annevk: as a label?
  459. # [16:21] <annevk> yeah
  460. # [16:21] <annevk> per http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/label-test.html
  461. # [16:21] <annevk> I like how IE uppercases gb18030 but not gb2312
  462. # [16:21] <annevk> whereas other browsers lowercase the former
  463. # [16:23] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  464. # [16:29] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi)
  465. # [16:32] * Quits: shaunbak_ (~shaunbake@brick-lane.lbi.co.uk)
  466. # [16:33] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  467. # [16:34] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@199-188-193-107.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  468. # [16:34] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  469. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> odinho, I was asking easy :)
  470. # [16:35] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  471. # [16:37] * Quits: _mvaldas9 (~mvaldas9@penthouse.gaumina.lt) (Quit: Leaving)
  472. # [16:38] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  473. # [16:39] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  474. # [16:40] <annevk> I wonder where foolip is
  475. # [16:40] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@76.74.153.49)
  476. # [16:41] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  477. # [16:43] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  478. # [16:48] * Quits: yoshu (~josh@c-76-104-211-127.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: yoshu)
  479. # [16:53] * Quits: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  480. # [16:53] * Quits: npcomp (~eldon@c-24-126-240-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  481. # [16:54] * Joins: npcomp (~eldon@c-24-126-240-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
  482. # [16:58] <odinho> annevk: Vacation. Might be back tuesday, might not. :)
  483. # [17:00] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  484. # [17:01] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@78.109.80.74) (Remote host closed the connection)
  485. # [17:04] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Client Quit)
  486. # [17:08] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  487. # [17:10] <jgraham> odinho: Yes, I think logic agrees with you there
  488. # [17:13] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  489. # [17:16] <annevk> Ms2ger: answered critic questions
  490. # [17:16] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com)
  491. # [17:17] <jgraham> Is anyone else not getting critic mail?
  492. # [17:18] <annevk> I configured it too, fwiw
  493. # [17:18] <jgraham> That's not really what I meant
  494. # [17:18] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  495. # [17:18] <jgraham> Mail delivery might be having problems
  496. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> jgraham, I just got an email for a review I did yesterday
  497. # [17:20] <jgraham> I just restarted the email service
  498. # [17:20] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  499. # [17:20] * Quits: lilmonkey` (~colin@5469E6D4.cm-12-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  500. # [17:20] * Joins: lilmonkey` (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven)
  501. # [17:20] * Quits: Kolombiken (~Adium@gateway.creuna.se) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  502. # [17:23] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  503. # [17:24] * Quits: lilmonkey (~colin@pdpc/supporter/professional/riven) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  504. # [17:25] * Joins: karbassi (~karbassi@li62-206.members.linode.com)
  505. # [17:27] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@76.74.153.49) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  506. # [17:27] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  507. # [17:27] <jgraham> Oh, it didn't appreciate the 33Mb emails that removing 32MB.txt generated
  508. # [17:34] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  509. # [17:34] <annevk> hsivonen: is there anything more you need me to look into?
  510. # [17:34] <annevk> hsivonen: replied to the gbk / big5 bugs
  511. # [17:34] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2)
  512. # [17:34] <annevk> Fixing some Fullscreen stuff today, URL & more Encoding next week I guess
  513. # [17:34] <annevk> And at some point I'll define xhr.responseURL
  514. # [17:34] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102) (Remote host closed the connection)
  515. # [17:35] <Hixie> hsivonen: given that there are zero use cases for that complexity (literally the only purpose for adding it is that it briefly aids doing some obscure ruby things while not all browsers support it), that it was developed without bothering to engage in the relevant bugs, and that it causes parser churn, no, i've no intention of doing anything with it.
  516. # [17:35] <annevk> As well as a URL member for response objects
  517. # [17:35] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102)
  518. # [17:35] <Hixie> hsivonen: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33339
  519. # [17:35] <annevk> morning Hixie
  520. # [17:37] <Hixie> hsivonen: it's the perfect example of what happens when a hyper-focused group who thinks their feature is very important gets to make decisions without considering the overall picture.
  521. # [17:37] <qrk> like EME?
  522. # [17:37] <Hixie> not quite as bad as EME, but yeah
  523. # [17:37] <qrk> EME makes me cry.
  524. # [17:39] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.114.25.238)
  525. # [17:42] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  526. # [17:42] * Joins: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-dfrmlxgpbhapqwjc)
  527. # [17:43] <SteveF> hsivonen: "The HTML WG is supposed to bikeshed stuff that doesn't affect implementations. " primarily but not solely :-)
  528. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> jgraham, ha
  529. # [17:45] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  530. # [17:46] * Joins: lmclister (~lmclister@sjfw1-b.adobe.com)
  531. # [17:47] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  532. # [17:50] * Quits: lmclister (~lmclister@sjfw1-b.adobe.com) (Client Quit)
  533. # [17:56] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.114.25.238) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  534. # [17:57] * Joins: lmclister (~lmclister@sjfw1-b.adobe.com)
  535. # [17:58] * Joins: jkomoros (uid7860@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skchhlftdyvnvkvq)
  536. # [18:01] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  537. # [18:06] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com)
  538. # [18:10] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host81-156-25-15.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  539. # [18:15] * Joins: Kolombiken (~Adium@gateway.creuna.se)
  540. # [18:15] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  541. # [18:15] * Joins: svl (~me@12.Red-88-19-26.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
  542. # [18:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  543. # [18:21] * Joins: Maurice (copyman@5ED57922.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  544. # [18:22] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135)
  545. # [18:23] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  546. # [18:23] * Quits: aiglesias (~aiglesias@92-195-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) (Remote host closed the connection)
  547. # [18:26] * Parts: adactio (~adactio@212.42.170.181)
  548. # [18:29] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  549. # [18:30] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135) (Quit: weinig)
  550. # [18:30] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-50-148-162-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  551. # [18:32] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)
  552. # [18:38] * Quits: Kolombiken (~Adium@gateway.creuna.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  553. # [18:41] <smola> annevk: "scheme:// does not trigger hierarchical URI parsing" - I've dropped that from my implementation, after testing thoroughly... a lot of things get broken
  554. # [18:42] <annevk> smola: relative to?
  555. # [18:43] <annevk> ah you updated the bug
  556. # [18:43] <smola> yep, but notably, ed2k links would generate parsing errors
  557. # [18:44] <annevk> Time and again, it the "generic syntax" is invented and fails in practice.
  558. # [18:45] <annevk> Not sure if anyone implemented the <html:template> element yet in XML, but that does it in for XML.
  559. # [18:46] <annevk> I remember there being more examples, but they are not coming to mind.
  560. # [18:47] <smola> yes, it seems generic syntax failed so much that there are even funny contradictions such as an RFC saying this: "MUST follow the Uniform Resource Identifiers (RFC 3986) syntax [RFC3986]
  561. # [18:48] <smola> and then goes on and defines them in a way incompatible with RFC 3986
  562. # [18:48] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  563. # [18:48] <Hixie> generic syntaxes are silly, i keep telling people but they keep saying "you should base it on json!" or whatnot
  564. # [18:50] <annevk> JSON is pretty great, but a) it doesn't have comments and b) it doesn't stream.
  565. # [18:51] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134)
  566. # [18:51] * Joins: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230)
  567. # [18:52] * Quits: zaal (~zaal@cpc65346-nrwh11-2-0-cust48.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  568. # [19:10] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  569. # [19:15] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  570. # [19:18] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.26.4)
  571. # [19:19] <jgraham> JSON lacking comments is pretty terrible
  572. # [19:19] <jgraham> Not sure that AppCache helped the reputation of "just make up a custom syntax" though
  573. # [19:19] <jgraham> (I am not claiming that most of the problems were syntax related)
  574. # [19:24] * Quits: yoav (~yoav@sdo26-1-78-245-148-181.fbx.proxad.net) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  575. # [19:26] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.26.4) (Quit: weinig)
  576. # [19:29] * Joins: ap (~ap@17.202.44.214)
  577. # [19:30] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94)
  578. # [19:31] * Joins: say2joe (~say2joe@209-253-225-97.ip.mcleodusa.net)
  579. # [19:31] <annevk> I don't really understand what would be wrong with using Chrome and being against DRM.
  580. # [19:32] <annevk> I'm against the UK Internet censoring. Do I now "puzzle" people and should I move countries?
  581. # [19:32] <annevk> Seems rather contrived.
  582. # [19:33] <jgraham> Well switching browsers away from one whose makers have actively promoted DRM is much easier than switching countries
  583. # [19:34] * Joins: pinage404 (~pinage404@mau78-1-88-184-110-51.fbx.proxad.net)
  584. # [19:41] <Jasper> jgraham, I tend to just have a "comment" key or something in a dict.
  585. # [19:42] <Jasper> jgraham, though what bites me is that I can't leave a comma at the end of a dict, like I can with JS/Python.
  586. # [19:42] <jgraham> JSON has the right data model but terrible syntax
  587. # [19:42] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13)
  588. # [19:42] <Jasper> jgraham, well, you do know why Crockford removed comments from JSON, right?
  589. # [19:45] <jgraham> I don't know what reason he gave. And my personal opinion of why isn't suitable for a family channel (or even this one)
  590. # [19:46] <jgraham> Comments should never be used to transmit anything meaningful. That is
  591. # [19:46] <jgraham> what JSON is for.
  592. # [19:46] <jgraham> That reason?
  593. # [19:49] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@213.166.174.2) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  594. # [19:53] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94) (Quit: weinig)
  595. # [19:54] * Quits: svl (~me@12.Red-88-19-26.staticIP.rima-tde.net) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  596. # [19:57] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  597. # [20:03] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135)
  598. # [20:10] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  599. # [20:10] * Joins: jeremyj (~jeremyj@17.212.154.237)
  600. # [20:15] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  601. # [20:18] * Parts: boaz (~boaz@li326-230.members.linode.com)
  602. # [20:18] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  603. # [20:19] * jorendorff is now known as jorendorff_away
  604. # [20:25] * jorendorff_away is now known as jorendorff
  605. # [20:31] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135) (Quit: weinig)
  606. # [20:43] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102) (Remote host closed the connection)
  607. # [20:43] * Joins: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  608. # [20:44] * Quits: jeremyj (~jeremyj@17.212.154.237) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
  609. # [20:44] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.102)
  610. # [20:50] * Quits: karbassi (~karbassi@li62-206.members.linode.com)
  611. # [20:52] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com) (Quit: tantek)
  612. # [20:54] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135)
  613. # [20:57] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs78246079.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  614. # [20:58] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.3.135) (Client Quit)
  615. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> jgraham, so how do I get your server running?
  616. # [21:04] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Quit: Leaving...)
  617. # [21:04] * Joins: jeremyj (~jeremyj@17.212.154.237)
  618. # [21:05] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203)
  619. # [21:11] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  620. # [21:14] * Parts: say2joe (~say2joe@209-253-225-97.ip.mcleodusa.net)
  621. # [21:15] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  622. # [21:22] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@172.56.38.14)
  623. # [21:23] * Joins: seventh (seventh@185.29.164.178)
  624. # [21:24] * Joins: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  625. # [21:27] * Quits: reyre (~reyre@CPE7cb21b1e2cf4-CM7cb21b1e2cf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  626. # [21:31] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  627. # [21:31] * Joins: kavmax (~kavmax@193.28.144.64)
  628. # [21:32] * Joins: say2joe (~say2joe@209-253-225-97.ip.mcleodusa.net)
  629. # [21:36] * Joins: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel)
  630. # [21:39] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@172.56.38.14) (Quit: tantek)
  631. # [21:40] * Quits: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230) (Remote host closed the connection)
  632. # [21:42] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  633. # [21:46] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: othermaciej)
  634. # [21:47] * Quits: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  635. # [21:49] * Joins: svl (~me@12.Red-88-19-26.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
  636. # [21:55] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  637. # [21:55] * Joins: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230)
  638. # [21:56] * Quits: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230) (Remote host closed the connection)
  639. # [21:57] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Client Quit)
  640. # [21:57] * Quits: pinage404 (~pinage404@mau78-1-88-184-110-51.fbx.proxad.net) (Quit: Screw you guys i'm going home ! KMP !)
  641. # [21:57] * Joins: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230)
  642. # [22:03] * Quits: kavmax (~kavmax@193.28.144.64) (Remote host closed the connection)
  643. # [22:04] * Quits: jeremyj (~jeremyj@17.212.154.237) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  644. # [22:05] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  645. # [22:07] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94)
  646. # [22:09] * Quits: Streusel (~Anonymous@unaffiliated/streusel) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  647. # [22:09] * Quits: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  648. # [22:09] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  649. # [22:11] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Quit: Leaving)
  650. # [22:12] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no)
  651. # [22:12] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  652. # [22:14] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Client Quit)
  653. # [22:16] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  654. # [22:16] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@guest.schibsted.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  655. # [22:18] * Quits: svl (~me@12.Red-88-19-26.staticIP.rima-tde.net) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  656. # [22:19] * Quits: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  657. # [22:23] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Quit: Leaving)
  658. # [22:24] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  659. # [22:27] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Client Quit)
  660. # [22:27] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  661. # [22:30] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@109.201.154.176) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  662. # [22:35] * Quits: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Quit: Leaving)
  663. # [22:38] * Quits: GPH-Zeke (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Quit: Leaving)
  664. # [22:39] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@corp-nat.p2p.sfo1.mozilla.com)
  665. # [22:39] * Quits: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  666. # [22:39] * Joins: gavin_ (~gavin@76.14.87.162)
  667. # [22:40] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  668. # [22:42] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  669. # [22:42] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  670. # [22:47] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  671. # [22:49] * Quits: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230) (Remote host closed the connection)
  672. # [22:50] * Joins: llkats (~llkats@206.169.83.230)
  673. # [22:51] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  674. # [22:53] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134) (Quit: sys.exit(0) # app closed)
  675. # [22:54] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@206.108.217.134)
  676. # [23:00] * Joins: cwilso (sid10206@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvouhcrkjrbxjrtz)
  677. # [23:00] * Joins: tobie (~tobielang@col74-1-88-183-112-72.fbx.proxad.net)
  678. # [23:01] * Joins: tndrH (~Rob@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust858.7-2.cable.virginm.net)
  679. # [23:06] * Joins: GPH-Hickory (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  680. # [23:07] * Quits: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Quit: Leaving)
  681. # [23:07] * GPH-Hickory is now known as GPHemsley
  682. # [23:11] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94) (Quit: weinig)
  683. # [23:11] * Quits: tj_vantoll (~Adium@2601:4:1400:656:e551:b159:45fc:5657) (Quit: Leaving.)
  684. # [23:13] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.94)
  685. # [23:18] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host81-132-241-220.range81-132.btcentralplus.com)
  686. # [23:23] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.204)
  687. # [23:24] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.204) (Remote host closed the connection)
  688. # [23:26] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.203) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  689. # [23:30] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@adsl-99-135-169-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-7.1450hg.fc19 [XULRunner 26.0/20131209183133])
  690. # [23:41] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host81-132-241-220.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  691. # [23:43] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  692. # [23:44] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@207.218.72.65) (Remote host closed the connection)
  693. # [23:47] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Check it out and python serve.py
  694. # [23:47] <jgraham> It's even in the README
  695. # [23:47] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  696. # [23:47] <Ms2ger> ImportError: No module named wptserve
  697. # [23:49] * Quits: seventh (seventh@185.29.164.178) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  698. # [23:49] <jgraham> In other news, am I reading the spec right to think that the DOM <span><textarea>\x0A</textarea></span> will give \x0A for the innerHTML of the textarea but <textarea>\x0a\x0a</textarea> for the innerHTML of the span or the outerHTML of the textarea?
  699. # [23:50] <jgraham> Ms2ger: git submodule update --recursive
  700. # [23:50] <Hixie> i hope not
  701. # [23:50] <Hixie> oh wait, of the DOM...
  702. # [23:50] <Ms2ger> Nope, doesn't help
  703. # [23:50] <Hixie> sounds plausible
  704. # [23:51] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Do you have something in [wpt root]/tools/wptserve/ ?
  705. # [23:52] <Ms2ger> Nope
  706. # [23:52] <jgraham> Hixie: It sounds plausible but also seems mildly insane :) I'm not sure I'm going to argue to change the spec though since I would have to change my implementation ;)
  707. # [23:53] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Did you git submodule init?
  708. # [23:53] <Ms2ger> Okay, that seems to help
  709. # [23:54] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I really suggest the README ;) It also tells you how to configure /etc/hosts
  710. # [23:55] <Ms2ger> I guess I should :)
  711. # [23:55] <gsnedders> We have to configure /etc/hosts? Ewwwww.
  712. # [23:55] <Hixie> jgraham: yeah, looks like we don't check what the parent is for that particular weirdness
  713. # [23:56] <Hixie> jgraham: what do browsers do?
  714. # [23:56] <jgraham> Dunno, if only I had a testsuite
  715. # [23:56] <jgraham> Oh wait, I do!
  716. # [23:57] <Ms2ger> \o/
  717. # [23:57] <Hixie> O
  718. # [23:58] <Hixie> \
  719. # [23:58] <Hixie> d'oh
  720. # [23:58] <Hixie> my / was eaten
  721. # [23:58] <Ms2ger> Now I need to remember why I wanted to run the server
  722. # Session Close: Sat Jan 11 00:00:00 2014

The end :)