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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 14 00:00:00 2014
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  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> a schrödinbug
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  9. # [00:02] <TabAtkins> It's not really, though. I just did something unrelated which showed me that I had named one function's argument a certain thing, but I was using a completely different name for it inside the function.
  10. # [00:02] <TabAtkins> I still don't know how it's working.
  11. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> Unless I'm leaking an "editor" variable globally somewhere?
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  17. # [00:06] <Hixie> oh it does still work?
  18. # [00:06] <Hixie> i meant the case where you find something shouldn't work, and mysteriously, it stops working, despite the fact that it used to work fine before you noticed it shouldn't work.
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  20. # [00:06] <Hixie> SimonSapin: environment encoding thing: done
  21. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> Right, I know what a schrodinbug is.
  22. # [00:07] <Hixie> i now have a requirement that basically says "the A from spec B is the C from spec D, if any, or else the E from spec F"
  23. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> This is one where my code currently works, but I don't know how.
  24. # [00:07] <SimonSapin> Hixie: r8390 right? Thanks, will review tomorrow
  25. # [00:08] <Hixie> TabAtkins: that sounds even more frustrating, possibly
  26. # [00:08] <Hixie> SimonSapin: next one, i think
  27. # [00:09] <SimonSapin> right
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  33. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> Following in Anne's proud tradition, my blog comments are unusable in FF for the next two months.
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  61. # [00:59] <annevk> smola: : failing is because of port parsing
  62. # [00:59] <annevk> smola: so it doesn't really count I think
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  67. # [01:06] <smola> annevk: yes, and then if you do a.host = 'a:b' the behaviour also differs
  68. # [01:06] <annevk> smola: yeah I know, URLs are a mess
  69. # [01:07] <annevk> smola: I personally like what we have now, modulo the check needing to come after IDNA
  70. # [01:07] <annevk> smola: I'd really like to let someone else do the domain parsing entirely
  71. # [01:08] <annevk> smola: but the IETF / Unicode crowd isn't doing much at the moment
  72. # [01:09] <smola> as far as I see, the post-ToASCII checks (and deciding which characters to allow there) are the only thing left?
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  74. # [01:12] <smola> well, there's other stuff such as length limits according to DNS
  75. # [01:12] <smola> not sure if that should be part of the spec though
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  79. # [01:15] <annevk> if they are observable before we hit DNS, yes
  80. # [01:15] <annevk> IDNA does those checks
  81. # [01:15] <smola> yeah, that is, max 127 labels, 63 bytes per label, 253 bytes in the full textual representation
  82. # [01:15] <smola> or something like that
  83. # [01:15] <annevk> but maybe they are skipped if everything is ASCII?
  84. # [01:15] <smola> Firefox checks some of them
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  86. # [01:17] <smola> I think they're done independently of it being ASCII or not
  87. # [01:17] <smola> but it's too late to check it :p
  88. # [01:17] <annevk> oh, 12:21, I'll have a look tomorrow I suppose
  89. # [01:19] <smola> yup, I'm leaving for today, good night
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  91. # [01:23] <annevk> nn
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  220. # [07:57] <zcorpan_> annevk-cloud: re http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20140113#l-961 check the error console
  221. # [07:57] <zcorpan_> annevk-cloud: you probably want document.documentElement.removeChild
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  260. # [09:36] <Ms2ger> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7045&to=7046 apparently
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  288. # [11:33] <annevk> Lol at www-tag
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  290. # [11:41] <annevk> If server configuration became easier CORS could be a setting at the DNS level. Where servers announce they know CORS exists, thereby avoiding the need for preflight requests.
  291. # [11:42] <annevk> Could also configure HSTS there...
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  293. # [11:49] <darobin> and CSP
  294. # [11:50] <annevk> CSP is not quite global; CORS isn't quite either of course...
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  299. # [12:13] <smola> zcorpan_: you mentioned a set of 102,000 pages containing weird URLs
  300. # [12:13] <smola> zcorpan_: is that public?
  301. # [12:14] <zcorpan_> smola: http://webdevdata.org
  302. # [12:15] <annevk> smola: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23009
  303. # [12:19] <smola> annevk: yeah, I was checking now, thanks
  304. # [12:19] <annevk> smola: I guess I should also ban 0x09, 0x0A, and 0x0D
  305. # [12:20] <smola> zcorpan_: awesome, thank you
  306. # [12:20] * annevk adds those
  307. # [12:21] <smola> annevk: if re-parsing must give the same result, yes
  308. # [12:21] <annevk> smola: we want idempotency as much as possible for security
  309. # [12:22] <smola> yes, I also want idempotency because I use this code for URL normalization in crawling
  310. # [12:22] <smola> non-idempoency: more duplicates
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  313. # [12:25] <annevk> Still a bunch of open bugs around percent encoding :/
  314. # [12:25] <annevk> I hate that shit
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  317. # [12:28] <gjsrivastava> Hi
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  319. # [12:32] <smola> annevk: btw, has someone ever seen such weird hostnames in weird intranet configurations?
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  321. # [12:32] * smola thinks those intranets are just magic elves
  322. # [12:32] <hsivonen> annevk: lots of cool things could be done if 1) DNS was easy to configure (it actually can be pretty easy), 2) DNSSEC was deployed (can be bought as a service already) and 3) middle boxes allowed currently-unusual DNS responses to flow through
  323. # [12:33] <hsivonen> annevk: the situation with #3 is really sad
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  325. # [12:33] <hsivonen> middle boxes are sad
  326. # [12:33] <annevk> middleware is sad
  327. # [12:33] <annevk> smola: hmm, I should have done some testing maybe, I cannot reproduce even the label limits
  328. # [12:35] <annevk> E.g. try
  329. # [12:35] <annevk> <a href="http://0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789/">test</a>
  330. # [12:35] <annevk> <script>w(document.querySelector("a").host.length)</script>
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  332. # [12:36] <annevk> IDNA interoperability is so sad
  333. # [12:37] <smola> annevk: true, it actually works in chrome
  334. # [12:37] <smola> of course it'll never resolve
  335. # [12:37] <annevk> smola: works in Firefox too
  336. # [12:38] <smola> hm, or it might resolve with /etc/hosts ?
  337. # [12:39] <annevk> I suppose it could, I don't really have any desire to go lower on the stack at the moment
  338. # [12:39] <annevk> This part is fucked up enough as is
  339. # [12:40] <smola> on Firefox+Linux it does not resolve it in any case
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  345. # [13:01] <hsivonen> "A new body is required to take on the responsibility of providing standards for an open web." http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-restrictedmedia/2014Jan/0070.html
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  347. # [13:02] <Ms2ger> WHATWG?
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  350. # [13:05] <jgraham> Not the Web Hypermedia Including Concessions for Hollywood Working Group?
  351. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> Clever, sir, clever
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  354. # [13:29] <smola> anti-DRM candidate emailing from @live.com, interesting :p
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  357. # [13:39] <darobin> nice one jgraham, really nice one
  358. # [13:39] <darobin> and then we could go WHICH hunting
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  360. # [13:43] <blackhair> gjsrivastava: I know sankha but he is not here right now
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  408. # [15:37] <jgraham> Domenic_: Note that "will" in spec language is a statement of fact
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  410. # [15:39] <jgraham> So if you were to say "these steps will be run asynchronously", there would have to be text elsewhere that actually caused those steps to run
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  431. # [16:25] <annevk> Why do we not have utility functions for specifications?
  432. # [16:25] <annevk> E.g. hex bytes to number
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  434. # [16:28] <Domenic_> jgraham: hmm thanks, good to note
  435. # [16:29] <annevk> In fact, that's not much more than a note
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  437. # [16:29] <annevk> A statement of fact is more like "A has an associated B."
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  439. # [16:30] <annevk> Facts describe the world, notes explain it, and requirements make it run.
  440. # [16:30] <Domenic_> It felt like a fact to me. It's a requirement to run those steps, but a fact about those steps is that they will happen asynchronously.
  441. # [16:30] <Domenic_> although, they don't have to be asynchronous
  442. # [16:30] <Domenic_> if e.g. that data is cached in memory
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  446. # [16:31] <annevk> Well, notes should be factual, but they are usually duplicative.
  447. # [16:34] <jgraham> Domenic_: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1140242962&count=1 is the canonical source on this
  448. # [16:34] <Domenic_> jgraham: ah excellent.
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  453. # [16:42] <annevk> Seems I use statement of fact more as a definition. I try to avoid the statements of facts Hixie talks about, as, as he points out, they are confusing
  454. # [16:43] <jgraham> Yeah. In this case I think it would be very confusing.
  455. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-calendar-api-20140114/
  456. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-messaging-api-20140114/
  457. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-system-info-api-20140114/
  458. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-contacts-api-20140114/
  459. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-gallery-20140114/
  460. # [16:43] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-webintents-local-services-20140114/
  461. # [16:43] <annevk> bye bye APIs?
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  465. # [16:50] <annevk> Domenic_: in https://github.com/domenic/promises-unwrapping/issues/85 what does getWebApplicationsMetadata() do?
  466. # [16:50] <annevk> Domenic_: if that's about asking the user something, I don't really get how it can be synchronous
  467. # [16:52] <Domenic_> annevk: I think marcosc's intent was that it gets <title> and some <meta> tags, or some manifest stuff. The user-asking happens in userAgentSpecificChoooser
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  469. # [16:52] <annevk> Domenic_: which also seems sync in your text
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  471. # [16:52] <annevk> Domenic_: in particular https://github.com/domenic/promises-unwrapping/blob/master/docs/writing-specifications-with-promises.md#addbookmark-- seems very bad
  472. # [16:53] <Domenic_> annevk: userAgentSpecificChoooser is async
  473. # [16:53] <annevk> Domenic_: you cannot tell from that example text
  474. # [16:54] <Domenic_> annevk: yeah, we are discussing on www-tag how I seem to have implicitly assumed (as a JS programmer) that any algorithmic step that involves asking the user would automatically be async
  475. # [16:54] <annevk> Domenic_: from that example spec text you'd implement a sync chooser and resolve and then return
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  479. # [16:54] <Domenic_> you can see similar confusion in my https://github.com/domenic/promises-unwrapping/blob/master/docs/writing-specifications-with-promises.md#delay-ms-, which as boris points out would naively block for ms milliseconds
  480. # [16:55] <annevk> Domenic_: yes
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  482. # [16:55] <annevk> Domenic_: that's why the return early, but continue running steps in the background makes a lot of sense
  483. # [16:55] <annevk> Domenic_: I haven't seen anyone been confused with those
  484. # [16:55] <Domenic_> annevk: I maintain that it makes zero sense at all
  485. # [16:56] <Domenic_> to me it translates to return x; setImmediate(function () { /* do those extra steps */ })
  486. # [16:56] <Domenic_> (pretending that setImmediate is a thing)
  487. # [16:56] <annevk> no, it's much more like set up an internal event listener to wait for something and then return
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  489. # [16:56] <annevk> the remainder of the steps explain what
  490. # [16:57] <annevk> you don't queue a task to wait for something, you wait for something to be queued
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  493. # [16:58] <Domenic_> well, where does that internal event listener get set up
  494. # [16:58] <Domenic_> it certainly can't get set up after you return
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  497. # [16:59] <annevk> Domenic_: shrug
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  499. # [16:59] <annevk> Whether you say "The remainder is run asynchronous. Return here." "Return here, but continue doing this" seems immaterial
  500. # [17:00] <jgraham> So the Hixie model isn't beautiful in that it doesn't map directly to programming language constructs
  501. # [17:00] <annevk> I'm interested in cleaning it up further, but it's much more clear than what you have, which leads everyone to assume we suddenly have sync constructs
  502. # [17:00] <jgraham> But it does do the right thing
  503. # [17:02] <Domenic_> yes, what i have right now is clearly wrong
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  505. # [17:03] <Domenic_> and, after everyone explaining exactly how wrong, i'll agree it's more wrong than the current model
  506. # [17:03] <Domenic_> but i think it's important to clean up the current model
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  508. # [17:04] <marcosc> oh, seems I missed the update to that bug
  509. # [17:05] <marcosc> I'll have to re-read the document
  510. # [17:05] <marcosc> Domenic_: thanks anyway for notifying me of the update - sorry I missed it. Should I review the doc now?
  511. # [17:06] <Domenic_> marcosc: sure! everyone else is doing it now :). http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Jan/0038.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Jan/0052.html
  512. # [17:07] <marcosc> Domenic_: ok, will try to do it later today
  513. # [17:08] <marcosc> Btw, I found it quite helpful last time around. It was the missing manual :)
  514. # [17:09] <annevk> Domenic_: so I think typically you want to listen for activity and then queue a task to do several things in response
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  516. # [17:09] <annevk> Domenic_: e.g. XHR listens to network activity and then queues a single task to dispatch several events and update some properties
  517. # [17:09] <annevk> Domenic_: it's very common to group updating a property and dispatching the event directly after
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  519. # [17:10] <annevk> Domenic_: I suspect most things can be implemented given those two concepts
  520. # [17:10] <annevk> Domenic_: prolly some legacy exceptions in HTML though
  521. # [17:11] <Domenic_> annevk: hmm ok, will study.
  522. # [17:12] <Domenic_> annevk: I find the task queues confusing though; e.g. it seems like it should be possible to call back from C++ to JS without using a task queue
  523. # [17:12] <annevk> Domenic_: if it's sync, sure
  524. # [17:12] <annevk> Domenic_: if it's async, not really, you'd get race issues
  525. # [17:13] <jgraham> Right. Task queues are just the event loop for the spec
  526. # [17:13] <Domenic_> even if it's async... e.g. in Node when I program C++ extensions, I can just call back into JS.
  527. # [17:13] <annevk> Domenic_: how do you know JS is not running?
  528. # [17:13] <Domenic_> it can be either sync or async; promises normalize it to async
  529. # [17:13] <Domenic_> annevk: fair point
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  531. # [17:14] <annevk> I don't know what Node's model looks like unfortunately, but I do know that for the web platform we need a task queue.
  532. # [17:17] <Domenic_> nah, I think it has a task queue, I just didn't realize I was using it.
  533. # [17:17] <Domenic_> this helped click with me exactly what "queue a task" means...
  534. # [17:18] <Domenic_> I thought it was something like setImmediate(taskCode), albeit with a task queue name that the loop does complicated stuff with
  535. # [17:18] <Domenic_> but it's really more about proxying back to JS from C++ land, it sounds like...
  536. # [17:18] <jgraham> The name isn't complicated
  537. # [17:19] <jgraham> the event loop pulls a task off one of the task queues to run
  538. # [17:19] <jgraham> The name tells you which task queue
  539. # [17:19] <Domenic_> it's a lot more complicated that fifo
  540. # [17:19] <jgraham> a task goes on
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  542. # [17:19] <jgraham> So things are fifo per queue
  543. # [17:19] <jgraham> But not fifo overall
  544. # [17:20] <jgraham> But of course UAs don't pick a queue at random
  545. # [17:20] <annevk> A simpler example of the listen, queue thing is setTimeout()
  546. # [17:20] <jgraham> They can have internal priority e.g. always process user events like click or whatever first
  547. # [17:21] <annevk> First you listen until some period of time has passed, then you queue a task to do some operation
  548. # [17:21] <annevk> You need to queue a task because mouse events, network events, parsing, etc. might all go on as well and they need to be ordered somehow
  549. # [17:25] <Domenic_> Yeah
  550. # [17:25] <Domenic_> I should blog all this learnings
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  555. # [17:32] <annevk> Domenic_: as for the ES being complicated and more precise, that's kinda why we have IDL
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  557. # [17:33] <annevk> Domenic_: now if the ES spec defined IDL and had some of its own stuff in terms of that, we might be able to make the whole thing more portable...
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  562. # [17:35] <Domenic_> annevk: this is more about algorithmic steps though
  563. # [17:36] <Domenic_> annevk: I feel I often see web specs say things in one or two sentences that would take a page to express in ES-spec's precision
  564. # [17:37] <jgraham> So one of the main complaints that we get about web specs is that we aim for precision rather than the touchy-feely specs of yore
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  568. # [17:41] <annevk> It's funny really
  569. # [17:41] <annevk> But I do admit to taking shortcuts now and then
  570. # [17:41] <annevk> There's too much to define
  571. # [17:42] <annevk> But I'm not sure if it then immediately lacks precision. It only lacks precision if you can implement it in two different ways...
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  574. # [17:47] <Domenic_> Right... I'm not sure I'd know how to spot such instances. For the ES spec I can always see how you would, e.g. by inserting objects that trigger edge case behaviors, or testing esoteric properties of the objects you are given.
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  576. # [17:47] <annevk> IDL cleans most of that up
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  578. # [17:48] <jgraham> Indeed, IDL takes care of a lot of the sanitisation
  579. # [17:49] <annevk> Domenic_: as for the algorithmic steps, you could have shorthands for all the common operations
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  582. # [17:50] <annevk> Domenic_: that do the magic, but it'd require a huge amount of effort to figure out all the primitives across the many many APIs
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  585. # [17:51] <jgraham> You also run the risk of lasagne specs
  586. # [17:51] <jgraham> Which are neatly divided into layers, but impossible to understand overall by reading any one bit of text
  587. # [17:52] <annevk> But but but layering
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