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  216. # [08:32] <othermaciej> at this point I can't tell whether w3cmemes is my fan club or is making fun of me
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  222. # [08:50] <annevk-cloud> othermaciej: I would go with both
  223. # [08:50] <annevk-cloud> Looking forward to read up on that thread
  224. # [08:51] <othermaciej> oh man
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  228. # [09:09] <hsivonen> what's a lone 'i' in attribute selectors? http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=8469&to=8470
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  236. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: from those examples I'd guess case-insensitive
  237. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> but doesn't it match case-insensitively anyway?
  238. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> oh the attribute values
  239. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> me finds http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors4/#attribute-case
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  242. # [09:51] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: ok. thanks. I learned something new about Selectors.
  243. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> me too
  244. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> must have been added recently
  245. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> it's onlyin the ED
  246. # [09:52] <hsivonen> in other news, I'm eager to see telemetry from Firefox 29 release and 30 release
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  248. # [09:53] <hsivonen> people who do experimental science by following the health of people from birth to death must have awesome patience
  249. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> heh
  250. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> I would think that'd be some group of people doing the following of the other people
  251. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> and handing off the data
  252. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> but I get your point
  253. # [09:55] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: well, you need to have even more patience when knowing the experiment won't finish in your own lifetime
  254. # [09:55] <hsivonen> at least these Firefox releases will be out this year
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  256. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> jgraham: so I'm testing a fresh wpt submodule checkout with plan to update the readme with "git submodule update --init --recursive" but I find now that no matter what flavor of submodule update I do, I end up with a resources/ subdir that only has the pywebsocket/ and wptserve/ and not the coverage/ etc. subdirs
  257. # [09:58] <hsivonen> Now I'm mainly hoping that management won't decide to add the charset menu to Firefox OS before telemetry from Fennec 30 is ready
  258. # [09:58] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: wait why are they thinking about that
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  260. # [09:58] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: because CJK
  261. # [09:59] * MikeSmith shakes head
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  269. # [10:06] <MikeSmith> jgraham: nm what I just said (pilot error)
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  271. # [10:12] <zcorpan> hsivonen: also see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24005
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  274. # [10:21] <annevk> To be fair to Google, Apple hasn't exactly been good at standardizing some of its inventions either, such as touch events.
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  286. # [11:11] <annevk> zcorpan: I'm not sure how to fix that paragraph :/
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  288. # [11:14] <zcorpan> annevk: say "the HTML standard"?
  289. # [11:14] <annevk> zcorpan: did you see my comment?
  290. # [11:15] * zcorpan looks
  291. # [11:16] <zcorpan> annevk: if it's no longer a goal, just drop the whole paragraph?
  292. # [11:17] <annevk> But then some of the features coming from HTML would no longer be explained
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  295. # [11:27] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Feb/0242.html :/
  296. # [11:27] <annevk> There's a lot of those emails
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  300. # [11:43] <yoav> zcorpan: Going over the Blink image loading code, I bumped into an old comment :https://github.com/yoavweiss/Blink/blob/master/Source/core/loader/ImageLoader.h#L61
  301. # [11:43] <yoav> I want to make sure I understand current behavior and cement it with tests before touching these parts
  302. # [11:44] <yoav> So, if I understand correctly, a load event must be fired for every time 'src' (and prob 'srcset' is set from JS, even if the selection algo came up with the same final image
  303. # [11:44] <yoav> is that correct?
  304. # [11:46] <zcorpan> yoav: interesting, that's different from what the spec says. see "change" in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#dom-trees
  305. # [11:47] <zcorpan> and http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded-content-1.html#the-img-element "A user agent that obtains images immediately must also synchronously update the image data of an img element whenever that element has its src, srcset, or crossorigin attribute set, changed, or removed."
  306. # [11:48] <yoav> Hmm
  307. # [11:49] <yoav> So maybe I'm mis-reading the comment
  308. # [11:50] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2800
  309. # [11:50] <zcorpan> no i think you read it right
  310. # [11:51] <yoav> Firefox & Chrome show different results here...
  311. # [11:53] <yoav> IE fires the event twice as well
  312. # [11:54] <zcorpan> i happen to have old chrome 21 which fires the event once
  313. # [11:54] <zcorpan> firefox 27 fires it once
  314. # [11:55] <yoav> Firefox 26 fires it twice...
  315. # [11:56] <yoav> OK, so current behavior is firing it once (module IE)
  316. # [11:56] <yoav> s/module/modulo)
  317. # [11:57] <yoav> So the comment probably outlived the actual code behavior
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  335. # [13:19] <hsivonen> for those at home who are wondering what Pasifika Nexus is, it looks like it's a Fiji-based think-tank.
  336. # [13:20] <hsivonen> how come there's not w3cmeme about this yet? www-style getting all the attention?
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  340. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> Pasi-what?
  341. # [13:26] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: still not reading HTML WG administrative email, eh?
  342. # [13:27] <Ms2ger> No
  343. # [13:27] <Ms2ger> Still perfectly happy without that timesink :)
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  345. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/744
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  364. # [14:09] <annevk> hsivonen: that list
  365. # [14:09] <annevk> o_O
  366. # [14:11] <darobin> since hsivonen seems to read it anyway, I wonder how much he'd charge to give me a summary every once in a while :)
  367. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> darobin, I can offer that service too
  368. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> I'll just set up a monthly cronjob to send you an email saying "Nothing interesting happened."
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  373. # [14:22] <zcorpan> anyone object if i add webvtt stuff to HTML IDL tests?
  374. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> Not me
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  376. # [14:27] <zcorpan> ok good
  377. # [14:32] <darobin> Ms2ger: I so saw that one coming :)
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  381. # [14:50] <smaug____> good that the shadow dom encapsulation is being discussed again. Not that I'm optimistic that to lead any changes in the spec
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  383. # [14:56] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcommit?first=cb28b226&last=acab08eb&review=74
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  389. # [15:09] <jgraham> Is someone trying to do something with critic and experiencing an error?
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  402. # [15:27] <Enzo90910> Hi everyone. I am currently working on a JavaScript project in which in response to a user event, a Javascript loads data from local storage, works on it a bit, and then writes a new version in localStorage. My problem is that when a user has several tabs open on my site, data corruption happens because several threads are reading/writing the localStorage at the same time. My understanding is that it happens only on Chr
  403. # [15:27] <Enzo90910> because Chrome uses one event loop for each tab and doesn't use a storage mutex. I am currently investigating several possible solutions: implementing mutexes using localStorage (hard, maybe impossible), trying to leverage the "storage" event to implement transactions (hard), or switching to IndexedDB (not supported by Safari). Has anyone encountered such use cases yet and how do you suggest to solve it? Any input is
  404. # [15:27] <Enzo90910> appreciated.
  405. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> zcorpan: r+
  406. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> jgraham, no error
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  408. # [15:33] <Ms2ger> zcorpan: (I didn't review carefully, but I assume you can c/p)
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  410. # [15:34] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I am getting an error about git merge-base failing, but I'm not sure why
  411. # [15:35] <Ms2ger> Weird
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  430. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/07/opera_founder_its_all_gone_to_crap/
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  454. # [17:31] <smaug____> how could we kill non-worker-sync XHR
  455. # [17:33] <annevk> smaug____: more warnings?
  456. # [17:33] <annevk> smaug____: sendBeacon?
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  458. # [17:34] <smaug____> sendBeacon maybe, though I've seen plenty of non-beacon-like usage too
  459. # [17:35] <smaug____> but would need to get all the browser engines start warning
  460. # [17:35] <smaug____> and then just kill it next year or so
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  462. # [17:35] <smaug____> 2% is way too much
  463. # [17:36] <smaug____> that is what telemetry data seems to hint currently
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  465. # [17:36] <annevk> JakeA: getting to your email now
  466. # [17:36] <annevk> JakeA: should've done this earlier :/
  467. # [17:36] <annevk> smaug____: ouch
  468. # [17:37] <annevk> smaug____: we cannot just kill it with 2%
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  470. # [17:37] <smaug____> yeah
  471. # [17:37] <smaug____> web sites do silly things like start sync xhr on keydown and such
  472. # [17:38] <smaug____> right now we don't warn about sync xhr, I think
  473. # [17:39] <JakeA> annevk: I'm over the jet lag so I can think things
  474. # [17:39] <JakeA> Although I have a beer so the thinking is temporary
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  478. # [17:45] <annevk> smaug____: we should warn, we should warn harder for showModalDialog
  479. # [17:45] <annevk> JakeA: depends, https://xkcd.com/323/ :p
  480. # [17:45] <smaug____> sync XHR is worse
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  482. # [17:46] <annevk> dunno, nested event loops...
  483. # [17:46] <smaug____> well, in Gecko sync XHR uses nested event loop. And in all the browsers it means the UI of the website isn't responsive during the XHR processing
  484. # [17:47] <annevk> fair
  485. # [17:47] <JakeA> annevk: do we still get a lot of JS served without a js content type?
  486. # [17:48] <annevk> JakeA: JavaScript MIME types are not really a thing in browsers, although it seems developer consoles made them into some kind of thing which is odd
  487. # [17:49] <Domenic_> developer consoles?
  488. # [17:49] <Domenic_> how so?
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  490. # [17:50] <JakeA> annevk: ahh ok, I was hoping a js content type wouldn't be a barrier to entry these days
  491. # [17:50] <Domenic_> re: sync XHR. I wonder if you could convince the jQuery core team to remove the ability to do it.
  492. # [17:50] <annevk> Domenic_: I think they complain if you don't specify a MIME type, even though you don't have to per spec
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  495. # [17:51] <annevk> Domenic_: and then the list of MIME types developer tools support depends on who implemented the tool prolly
  496. # [17:51] <smaug____> Domenic_: yeah, I think we'd need to get all the script libraries stop using it
  497. # [17:51] <smaug____> that would be the first step
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  501. # [17:53] <annevk> Well, best of luck!
  502. # [17:54] <annevk> smaug____: if you want me to add something to the specification I could do that I suppose, not sure where the best place would be
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  504. # [17:55] <Soraya_> Enzo90910: n8dy84xuwt
  505. # [17:55] <smaug____> annevk: somewhere near open() I guess
  506. # [17:55] <smaug____> another thing to deprecate is mutation events
  507. # [17:56] <Soraya_> Hi guys ?
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  509. # [17:57] <smaug____> hmm, mutation event usage has been going down
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  518. # [18:03] <Domenic_> blink already killed several..
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  520. # [18:04] <smaug____> well, no one has ever supported them all
  521. # [18:07] <annevk> smaug____: http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#sync-warning
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  523. # [18:08] <smaug____> thanks
  524. # [18:09] <smaug____> annevk: I wonder if we should have a version of open without async param
  525. # [18:10] <smaug____> void open(ByteString method, [EnsureUTF16] DOMString url, [EnsureUTF16] DOMString? username = null, optional [EnsureUTF16] DOMString? password = null);
  526. # [18:11] <annevk> You cannot distinguish that from what we have now
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  539. # [18:27] <annevk> Domenic_: any timeline for getting streams in browsers?
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  542. # [18:28] <annevk> I sorta think we should have streams before we design a "replacement" for XMLHttpRequest
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  546. # [18:29] <Hixie> annevk: i don't follow https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23810 - what's the story there?
  547. # [18:30] <annevk> Hixie: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#affected-by-a-base-url-change
  548. # [18:30] <annevk> Hixie: since I removed it, it's no longer in DOM
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  550. # [18:30] <Hixie> annevk: why did you remove it?
  551. # [18:31] <Hixie> annevk: you just want me to move the relevant bits to HTML?
  552. # [18:31] <Hixie> annevk: is this part of dropping xml:base?
  553. # [18:31] <annevk> Hixie: seemed better to just inline it
  554. # [18:31] <Hixie> wasn't this in HTML originally?
  555. # [18:31] <annevk> Hixie: in HTML it can also be inlined, but yeah, given that xml:base will be gone the only thing that will change is the document base URL going forward
  556. # [18:32] <annevk> Hixie: yeah could be
  557. # [18:32] <Hixie> and DOM doesn't want to handle base URLs changing?
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  559. # [18:32] <annevk> Hixie: it has "base URL change steps"
  560. # [18:32] <annevk> Hixie: I think that's all we need as a concept
  561. # [18:32] <Hixie> ?
  562. # [18:32] <Hixie> i thought you just said it was removed
  563. # [18:32] * Hixie is confoosed
  564. # [18:33] <annevk> Hixie: there's also "affected by a base URL change" which is kinda double
  565. # [18:33] <annevk> Hixie: that was removed
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  567. # [18:33] <Hixie> ok so this is very confusing
  568. # [18:33] <Hixie> we originally just had one term
  569. # [18:33] <Hixie> then you took over that term and split it into two
  570. # [18:33] <Hixie> and now you've removed the first term, leaving only the second?
  571. # [18:34] <annevk> Are you sure?
  572. # [18:34] <Hixie> see r1970
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  574. # [18:34] <Hixie> actually it dates from even before that
  575. # [18:35] <Hixie> r1820
  576. # [18:37] <Hixie> r6505 is when i converted to your terminology
  577. # [18:37] <Hixie> r1820 is when i added the base URL processing stuff
  578. # [18:38] <annevk> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1819&to=1820
  579. # [18:38] <annevk> oh http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1820&to=1821
  580. # [18:38] <Hixie> sorry, r1821
  581. # [18:39] <Hixie> i think all i really need from DOM here is that when a node is adopted, its subtree is "affected by a base URL change"
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  583. # [18:39] <Hixie> i don't really understand why we need the "base URL change steps" term
  584. # [18:39] <Hixie> but anyway
  585. # [18:40] <Hixie> you just want me to change "is affected by a base URL change" to "must cause the user agent to run the base URL change steps for that node"?
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  587. # [18:40] <annevk> yeah
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  589. # [18:40] <annevk> sorry :/
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  591. # [18:40] <annevk> there might be some more churn here going forward because of custom elements and the xml:base stuff
  592. # [18:40] <Hixie> my bigger concern is over <img> adoption
  593. # [18:40] <annevk> I prefer change steps because that's consistent with copy steps and such
  594. # [18:41] <Hixie> i need a hook for <img> adoption that isn't the same as the hook for base URL changing
  595. # [18:41] <annevk> so we might actually start offering some kind of callback thing for adoption
  596. # [18:41] <Hixie> does DOM actually do anything with base URL changes?
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  600. # [18:41] <annevk> no, it just notifies
  601. # [18:41] <Hixie> maybe the right thing here is for DOM to forget about base URL change notification, and just notify on adoption
  602. # [18:41] <annevk> yeah that actually makes sense
  603. # [18:41] <Hixie> and then i can make that notification cause the element to be "e base URL
  604. # [18:42] <annevk> that ties in with that callback thing before
  605. # [18:42] <Hixie> and then i can make that notification cause the element to be "affected by a base URL change" (even)
  606. # [18:42] <annevk> can you update the bug? I need to go
  607. # [18:42] <Hixie> sure
  608. # [18:42] <Hixie> thanks
  609. # [18:42] <annevk> thanks!
  610. # [18:42] <annevk> hah
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  613. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> https://github.com/operasoftware/presto-testo
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  621. # [18:56] <Domenic_> annevk-cloud: we're trying to move pretty fast on streams, but a timeline seems hard to nail down at this point. we do have buy-in now after convergence that should help get it in everywhere, and lots of specs want it, so those are all forces pushing things quickly.
  622. # [18:57] <Hixie> who's implementing?
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  624. # [18:57] <Ms2ger> There's various vaguely positive noises, I think
  625. # [18:57] <Domenic_> there's interest from mozilla, blink, and microsoft
  626. # [18:58] <Domenic_> i think blink actually had a guy working on code; mozilla mostly wants it to support other of their specs like TCP socket
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  632. # [19:11] <MikeSmith> blink already had an implementation of the webapps Streams API from last year
  633. # [19:11] <MikeSmith> Zach Kuznia did it
  634. # [19:11] <MikeSmith> partial implementation at least but most if what was there at the time
  635. # [19:12] <MikeSmith> but maybe that's largely been overcome by circumstances
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  637. # [19:14] <MikeSmith> maybe tyoshino is on deck for implementing for where it's at now
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  640. # [19:15] <smaug____> scott_gonzalez: ping
  641. # [19:16] <smaug____> Ms2ger: boo, I thought they released their engine source code
  642. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> Heh
  643. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> That'd have been interesting too
  644. # [19:17] * smaug____ still wants to know what kind of garbage/cycle collector they have
  645. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> I've heard claims that the gc was simple mark-and-sweep
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  647. # [19:20] <jgraham> I think it's true — although perhaps others would disagree — that the Opera philosophy was to avoid overengineering where possible
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  655. # [19:30] <smaug____> Ms2ger: but what about edges to and from C++ side?
  656. # [19:31] <smaug____> or maybe everything was GCed
  657. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> That seems somewhat plausible
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  674. # [19:59] <Ms2ger> Yay, a new JAM season next week
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  680. # [20:06] <jgraham> Isn't this more the time of year for marmalade?
  681. # [20:07] <jgraham> (I note that I did actually understand and it is indeed something to look forward to :)
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  687. # [20:22] <karlcow> lady marmalade
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  693. # [20:34] <GPHemsley> For your consideration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41155
  694. # [20:35] <GPHemsley> (re MIME types, Google, WebP...)
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  697. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> (also re registries, specs, intent...)
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  728. # [21:34] <Domenic_> Report from a Real Web Developer sitting next to me at work: "I really enjoyed the Shadow DOM kerfluffle, as now I'm more aware of the technologies and actors involved, whereas before web components was all very abstract to me."
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  737. # [21:46] <othermaciej> so kerfuffles have one positive side effect, I guess
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  739. # [21:47] <hober> :/
  740. # [21:49] <arunranga> Hi #whatwg :) Would anyone weep for DOMError if we take it out of IndexedDB and File API (and others) as per https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21740#c11 ?
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  743. # [21:49] <alecf> just replace with DOMException?
  744. # [21:49] <Domenic_> Kill it!1!1!!one kill it with fire!
  745. # [21:50] <arunranga> Yes, Domenic_, I think we know how you feel :)
  746. # [21:50] <alecf> if so SGTM
  747. # [21:50] <Domenic_> just making sure... :)
  748. # [21:50] <arunranga> alecf, yes, pretty much use DOMException, which becomes a first class citizen of WebIDL.
  749. # [21:53] <alecf> as long as it has the same/subset of attributes as DOMError (I can't figure out if the attributes line up) that sounds good to me
  750. # [21:54] <arunranga> alecf, snooping around in Chromium (and Fx) source, you find DOMError, so there'll have to be some code changes going forward, since I think Chrome returns one during an error event for IDB and File*
  751. # [21:54] <alecf> heh yes, I implemented DOMError in blink
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  753. # [21:56] <arunranga> alecf, heh :) OK, so, unless others object (on the mailing list or here), I'll change the spec. I'll weep a bit for DOMError, but connecting to the Error object for stack and stuff outweighs my tears
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  759. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> "Awaiting decision in WhatWG. May 2007."
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  761. # [22:03] <arunranga> Along those same lines, does anyone care if we strip out FileList and just make it an Array, along the lines of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23682 ?
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  766. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> arunranga, please wait for that bug to be fixed
  767. # [22:06] <arunranga> Heh :) We'll lose code of the sort files.item(0) (which was weird anyway) and we'll have to think carefully about adding to FileList.
  768. # [22:06] <arunranga> Ms2ger, are you talking about waiting on replacing FileList with Array, or waiting before we strip out DOMError?
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  770. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> arunranga, FileList
  771. # [22:09] <arunranga> OK, that seems reasonable; what will break for sure is stuff like files.item(0) but I don't know how common that usage is. Also, extending FileList will be tricky (e.g. fixing https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17125).
  772. # [22:09] <arunranga> Ms2ger ^^
  773. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> I'm staying out of the specifics :)
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  797. # [23:07] <Hixie> hsivonen: yt?
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  813. # [23:44] <Hixie> abarth|gardener: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22731
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  816. # [23:46] * Hixie is months behind reading his bugmail, and just got to the closures mentioned in http://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/minutes/webappsec-minutes-27-Aug-2013.html
  817. # [23:46] <Hixie> good times, good times.
  818. # [23:46] <abarth|gardener> Hixie: looking
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  821. # [23:49] <abarth|gardener> Hixie: what is the security concern?
  822. # [23:49] <abarth|gardener> that two different strings decode to the same thing?
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