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  22. # [00:53] <smaug____> am I missing something. http://www.w3.org/TR/webmidi/ Latest editor's draft: points to web audio api :/
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  28. # [01:20] <Domenic_> yeah i had to dig around github to find that
  29. # [01:20] <Domenic_> http://webaudio.github.io/web-midi-api/
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  74. # [04:24] <crocket> How do I test if a web browser supports filename* in Content-Disposition?
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  124. # [08:14] <Domenic_> tyoshino: thanks so much for your careful review :). I have to go to sleep very soon, but am happy to reply in the morning.
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  128. # [08:26] <zcorpan> looks like blink is on a killing spree
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  134. # [09:02] <abarth|gardener> zcorpan: hopefully we'll get back to working on those features once we've fixed some of the other problems we've got
  135. # [09:03] <zcorpan> abarth|gardener: which features do you mean?
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  137. # [09:03] <abarth|gardener> oh, maybe I misunderstood your comment above
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  139. # [09:04] <zcorpan> i was referring to the flow of intent to remove of legacy things
  140. # [09:05] <abarth> ah, yes. I don't think the Attr node stuff is coming back :)
  141. # [09:05] <abarth> Do you know what a notation Node is/was?
  142. # [09:05] <abarth> I read the spec for it, but it didn't really say anything
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  145. # [09:06] <zcorpan> it's for representing an xml Notation, which i've forgotten what it's supposed to be used for
  146. # [09:07] <zcorpan> something that goes in the internal subset of the doctype
  147. # [09:07] <abarth> "A notation is a processing instruction that tells the parser what to do with information of a particular format (binary files, image files, sound files, database files etc.) by assigning an external application to process it."
  148. # [09:08] <abarth> <!NOTATION my_format SYSTEM "http://my_website.com/my_application.exe">
  149. # [09:08] <abarth> oh man
  150. # [09:08] <abarth> that sounds like a terrible idea
  151. # [09:08] <abarth> from http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/rsysarch/v11/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.sa.xml.design.doc%2Ftopics%2Ft_Notation.html
  152. # [09:08] <abarth> please download this EXE to view this content o_O
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  154. # [09:10] <abarth> zcorpan: I meant that we're removing things like CSS variables that we'll hopefully get back to working on at some point
  155. # [09:10] <zcorpan> abarth: ok, yep
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  185. # [10:22] <JakeA> Anyone got stats on the content types <script src> is served with?
  186. # [10:22] <JakeA> Actually, *.js urls would be good enough
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  195. # [11:04] <annevk> JakeA: should get someone of that company that employs you to look into that, I hear they're pretty good at it
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  199. # [11:22] <JakeA> annevk: hah, actually, it was easier to use http://www.igvita.com/2013/06/20/http-archive-bigquery-web-performance-answers/
  200. # [11:23] <annevk> JakeA: oh cool
  201. # [11:23] <annevk> I know about http://webdevdata.org/ but that seems to be mostly HTML pages
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  203. # [11:31] <JakeA> 96.7% of *.js urls are served with application/x-javascript, text/javascript, or application/javascript
  204. # [11:31] <JakeA> (in the top 3000 sites)
  205. # [11:33] <wilhelm_> And the remaining? No content-type?
  206. # [11:34] <wilhelm_> text/plain? (c:
  207. # [11:38] <JakeA> Raw data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am8BnxIvH5DudFV4dG82WEtveGY5RnJUNXdZNVNnSUE&usp=sharing
  208. # [11:39] <JakeA> the next most popular is no type, then text/html
  209. # [11:41] <annevk> JakeA: I rather not require something different for a service worker compared to a normal worker
  210. # [11:42] <annevk> JakeA: but we could I suppose, note that we still don't really have defined content-type parsing in an interoperable way
  211. # [11:42] <annevk> JakeA: e.g. HTTP says "Content-Type: text/html;" is invalid
  212. # [11:43] <JakeA> annevk: Yeah, I'm not set on requiring a content type for serviceworkers, but it's a possibility if there's a perceived security risk
  213. # [11:43] <JakeA> annevk: Oh, didn't know that
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  227. # [12:05] <annevk> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41155#c18 o_O
  228. # [12:06] <annevk> If you've been maintaining a MIME type module for 10 years and have still not realized the way MIME types work (including the whole standards process) is broken, the problem is really with you...
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  236. # [12:26] <darobin> "I wrote that bit of spec. So consider it a MUST."
  237. # [12:27] <darobin> I'd buy that on a sticker
  238. # [12:28] <JakeA> Haha
  239. # [12:31] <charl> lol, a bit lower down: "I see a disconnect between your insistance on rejecting a MIME type because it's not registered and your opinion that a "SHOULD" can become a "MUST" on a whim."
  240. # [12:31] <charl> indeed
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  249. # [12:57] <JakeA> annevk: Btw, had a catchup with Alex, he's been speaking to http people, apparently having http-style matching in a serviceworker cache would be pretty trivial
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  252. # [13:04] <annevk-cloud> Cool. Does feel somewhat dangerous as it's high-level, but hopefully it works out
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  281. # [14:26] <GPHemsley> annevk, JakeA: I have defined an algorithm for parsing a MIME type in mimesniff: http://mimesniff.spec.whatwg.org/#parsing-a-mime-type
  282. # [14:28] <GPHemsley> It's somewhat hard to test whether it's implemented, though
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  285. # [14:45] <annevk> GPHemsley: you can test it with <script type=> maybe to some extent
  286. # [14:45] <annevk> GPHemsley: whether CSS is applied is another good test
  287. # [14:45] <annevk> GPHemsley: might depend on the exact context for CSS loading
  288. # [14:45] <GPHemsley> ah, hmm, interesting ideas
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  290. # [14:46] <annevk> oh, and whether CORS does a preflight or not
  291. # [14:46] <annevk> GPHemsley: http://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#simple-header
  292. # [14:47] <GPHemsley> alright, I'll have a look at it at some point
  293. # [14:47] <GPHemsley> gotta run now, though
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  310. # [15:27] <espadrine> Is document.activeElement going to be deprecated?
  311. # [15:27] <espadrine> cf https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23475#c16
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  316. # [15:45] <annevk> espadrine: looks like Ian is proposing that to make focus behavior for <dialog> sane
  317. # [15:46] <annevk> espadrine: he asked people to review his proposal and people haven't really been doing that yet I think
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  332. # [16:26] <zcorpan> GPHemsley: canPlayType
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  334. # [16:28] <zcorpan> GPHemsley: annevk: <script type> doesn't parse as mime type. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#support-the-scripting-language
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  336. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Anyone else have gsoc project ideas for the w3c? We've got https://etherpad.mozilla.org/GBHx8UkC9k so far
  337. # [16:31] <zcorpan> dig into presto-testo
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  340. # [16:33] <jgraham> It would have to be something with a significant element of coding though; something purely about moving/rewriting tests would probably not be a valid project
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  353. # [17:14] <annevk-cloud> zcorpan: same for <style>?
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  370. # [17:58] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  378. # [18:13] <jcgregorio> good afternoon dglazkov!
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  406. # [18:47] <guzzlefry> quick question, is <div>some text</div> valid HTML?
  407. # [18:47] <guzzlefry> Does that text need to be wrapped in anything?
  408. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> Is fine
  409. # [18:47] <guzzlefry> cool, thank you
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  475. # [20:21] <annevk> Is it just me or is the new Twitter site really ugly?
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  486. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> annevk: It's just change aversion.
  487. # [20:36] <annevk> TabAtkins: It just doesn't make sense that the navigation buttons are all the way on the left whereas most everything else is in a column in the center
  488. # [20:37] <TabAtkins> There's not all the way on the left for me. On narrower monitors I suppose the width of the thing spans the screen?
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  580. # [21:03] <zcorpan> annevk-cloud: it looks like the spec assumes a real mime type in <style type> but i would be surprised if browsers do that
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  584. # [21:04] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2803
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  629. # [22:05] <Hixie> annevk-cloud: i don't understand https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24599
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  635. # [22:21] <Hixie> "Refused to display 'http://www.trustlogo.com/images/cot_bgf0.gif' in a frame because it set 'X-Frame-Options' to 'SAMEORIGIN'."
  636. # [22:21] <Hixie> that's pretty funny.
  637. # [22:21] <Hixie> doesn't give me great faith in the image though
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  647. # [22:38] <GPHemsley> Hmm... some interesting behavior with <style type>
  648. # [22:38] <GPHemsley> If there's a semicolon before "text/css" (or a number of other similar variants), it still works
  649. # [22:39] <GPHemsley> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2804
  650. # [22:39] <GPHemsley> oh
  651. # [22:39] <GPHemsley> I guess it's just assuming empty MIME type
  652. # [22:39] <GPHemsley> I guess that makes sense
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  655. # [22:46] <Hixie> still works where?
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  657. # [22:51] <GPHemsley> Hixie: In Firefox, you mean?
  658. # [22:51] <Hixie> ah, in firefox
  659. # [22:51] <Hixie> doesn't in chrome
  660. # [22:51] <GPHemsley> interesting
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  662. # [22:52] <GPHemsley> I think Firefox patterns closely to the "parse a MIME type" algorithm
  663. # [22:52] <GPHemsley> in part because I used Firefox primarily when writing it, but in part because it's the sane thing to do
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  667. # [22:54] <Hixie> i don't think chrome parses a mime type at all for <style type>
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  703. # [23:38] <TabAtkins> Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if we just do a literal text check.
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