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  1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 01 00:00:00 2014
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  24. # [00:26] <zewt> Your browser's current font size is not supported. Please reset to the standard font size. <- google, always setting such high standards for the web
  25. # [00:27] <Hixie> i have to admit i don't understand what docs is doing with that
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  27. # [00:29] <zewt> that was gmail for me
  28. # [00:29] <zewt> er
  29. # [00:29] <zewt> maps
  30. # [00:31] <jsbell> Needless to say, searching on 'new' isn't helpful :P
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  36. # [00:41] * SamB guesses those ideas to fix all frameset URLs forever never actually went anywhere?
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  41. # [00:47] <Hixie> zewt: maps? weird
  42. # [00:47] <Hixie> zewt: the new maps?
  43. # [00:55] <zewt> no
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  45. # [00:56] <Hixie> zewt: in that case, good news!
  46. # [00:56] <Hixie> zewt: the new maps fixes this
  47. # [00:56] <zewt> new maps was horribly slow when I tried it
  48. # [00:56] <Hixie> try it again
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  50. # [00:59] * SamB had trouble finding Help in new maps ...
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  53. # [01:01] <zewt> oh god it has its own clippy
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  55. # [01:01] <Hixie> ?
  56. # [01:01] <zewt> "pegman" heh
  57. # [01:02] <Hixie> old maps had pegman too... how is it like clippy?
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  59. # [01:02] <zewt> corniness? heh
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  61. # [01:03] <Hixie> ?
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  63. # [01:04] <Hixie> it's just a ui widget to drop you into street view
  64. # [01:04] <Hixie> how is it corny?
  65. # [01:04] * SamB wonders why browsers don't have a "find an anchor to link to" feature ...
  66. # [01:04] <Hixie> zewt: (i'm not arguing it isn't, i just don't understand what you mean)
  67. # [01:05] <zewt> a goofy character suddenly introducing itself seems corny to me, heh
  68. # [01:05] <SamB> anyway, um, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features provides some VEEERY terse recommendations
  69. # [01:05] <Hixie> zewt: he introduced himself? interesting, i haven't seen that
  70. # [01:05] <Hixie> i wonder if they added the introduction after i'd been using it already
  71. # [01:05] <zewt> "hey, I'm pegman" or something like that (dismissed it already)
  72. # [01:06] <Hixie> agreed that that's corny. or cute, you know, whatever floats your boat :-P
  73. # [01:06] <Hixie> SamB: happy to add more... file bugs with suggested text
  74. # [01:06] <zewt> at least it didn't slowly animate on screen, and then when told to go away, slowly animate off
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  77. # [01:08] <Hixie> i think the thing that made clippy "clippyesque" isn't so much the animation, or the cuteness, or even the slowness of the interaction, it's that it just wasn't that useful, so it would interrupt you in ways that were just annoying.
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  81. # [01:10] <astearns__> I have no idea whether the new pegman intro is useful, since I reflexively dismissed it as soon as it appeared
  82. # [01:11] <astearns__> in general, I think one should avoid modal things that pop up to show you how to use new studd
  83. # [01:11] <astearns__> s/studd/stuff/
  84. # [01:11] <SamB> Hixie: well, I suspect that more detailed recommendations would be more approriate in some of the linked sections; probably this one should just explain how to tell which link(s) will provide such details
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  86. # [01:12] <Hixie> SamB: that works too. basically whatever it is you want, file a bug saying what it is :-)
  87. # [01:12] <zewt> astearns__: yeah, the "learn new maps!!!" dialog that popped up at first was bad like that
  88. # [01:12] <zewt> since when I first turn it on I just want to poke around first (so I dismiss it), and of course now I don't know how to get it back if I wanted to look at it now (not that I really want to)
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  90. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> zewt: That *precise* feedback was just echoed by some in internal Plus today.
  91. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> "Warm welcome" tutorials are often worthless for that reason.
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  94. # [01:16] <zewt> itym "get out of the way, damn it" tutorials
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  97. # [01:16] <zewt> at least maps's did (some are very insistant)
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  101. # [01:18] <SamB> so basically, such tutorials should start like this: 1. To re-open this tutorial, [...] 2. To close this tutorial, [...]
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  133. # [02:17] * SamB finds that ACTION tends to look funny otherwise
  134. # [02:19] * zewt prefers PRIVMSG
  135. # [02:21] <SamB> it *is* a PRIVMSG; it just has some funky stuff in it that ...
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  139. # [02:29] [zewt:#whatwg GOOD] old crappy irc protocol
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  147. # [02:37] -zewt:#whatwg- slightly
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  225. # [06:45] <AlexBones> zewt: Why the fuck are you sending a bunch of CTCP shit?
  226. # [06:45] <zewt> to personally irritate you
  227. # [06:45] <zewt> mission: success
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  229. # [06:48] <AlexBones> zewt!*@* added to ignore list.
  230. # [06:49] <AlexBones> That kind of fucktard reply would have resulted in a permanent ban and k-line if sane people were running this shit.
  231. # [06:49] <zewt> good to know teenagers still inhabit IRC.
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  241. # [07:09] * SamB thinks the w3c validator should perhaps use validator.nu for more stuff ...
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  246. # [07:26] <SamB> AlexBones: hmm, your sarcasm-o-meter seems busted
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  252. # [07:44] <AlexBones> Just tired of all the obnoxious people.
  253. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> SamB: what more should the w3c validator be using validator.nu for?
  254. # [07:51] * SamB thinks its HTML 4 schemas are a bit more precise than the DTDs that onsgmls uses ...
  255. # [07:52] <MikeSmith> ah
  256. # [07:52] <MikeSmith> I was exposing HTML4 checking as an option at http://validator.w3.org/nu/ but I've since remove it
  257. # [07:52] <MikeSmith> *removed
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  259. # [07:54] <MikeSmith> I removed the whole Presets menu actually
  260. # [07:54] <MikeSmith> so it just chooses a schema based on the MIME type of the document and doesn't provide an option in the UI to override that
  261. # [07:56] <MikeSmith> so by default it now does validation against the latest HTML spec (aka HTML5), even for documents that have a HTML4 doctype
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  263. # [07:58] <MikeSmith> validator.nu also always does that by default now too, even for documents with HTML4 doctypes. It just still also provides the Presets option to allow users to override that behavior if they want
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  265. # [08:00] <MikeSmith> anyway I was maintaining the validator.nu HTML4 schema for a while and responding to bug reports and requests about it but I'm no longer interested in putting any time into it
  266. # [08:02] <MikeSmith> I'm not sure why anybody should want to do HTML4 validation other than just out of curiosity -- to see, e.g., what was an error in HTML4 but not in HTML now, or whatever
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  502. # [22:11] <SamB> hmm, I think http://resources.whatwg.org/ needs a COPYING file. Also, the FAQ doesn't seem to contain anything about licensing ...
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