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  11. # [01:20] <SamB> ... data URLs have fragment identifiers now?
  12. # [01:21] * SamB is looking at the filter property on the logo img on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/ ...
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  14. # [01:22] <Hixie> "now"?
  15. # [01:25] <qFox> mmm in that doc, "Ian Hickson, Google, ian@hixie.ch" followed by "© Copyright 2004, 2005 Apple Computer, Inc., Mozilla Foundation, and Opera Software ASA.", looks kind of weird :)
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  63. # [04:21] * SamB wonders what the old browsers do with new tags ...
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  67. # [04:56] <Hixie> SamB: depends on the element
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  70. # [04:57] <SamB> Hixie: how would they know the difference between <foo> and <bar> (which is pretty much the way it would see elements with names it never heard of, isn't it?)
  71. # [04:57] <Hixie> some of the "new" elements aren't actually so new
  72. # [04:58] <SamB> ah
  73. # [04:58] <Hixie> and some of the "new" elements are void, which means that while they get treated the same as non-void in legacy UAs, there are bigger concerns for people using them now
  74. # [04:58] <Hixie> same with any elements which we've added to <head> or in other places
  75. # [04:58] <Hixie> like <template>
  76. # [04:59] <SamB> well, as it happens I was thinking of stuff like <article> and <header> and <footer>
  77. # [04:59] <Hixie> those all more or less get treated like <span> in legacy UAs
  78. # [05:01] <SamB> hmm, not quite as nice as if it were <div> but it doesn't sound terrible either
  79. # [05:02] <SamB> and it's good for things like <time> that it is the way it is, I guess
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  81. # [05:27] <Hixie> it's kind of academic since we can't change what it is. it just is what it is.
  82. # [05:27] <SamB> true
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  344. # [21:59] <Hixie> sicking: makes it possible to "gray out" parts of the page and make them non-interactive. A lot of pages do that, e.g. as part of doing dialog-like things.
  345. # [22:00] <sicking> Hixie: i can't think of any cases where i've seen someone gray out a subsection of a page. The only thing I can think of is graying out everything exception a subsection of a page
  346. # [22:00] <sicking> Hixie: do you have examples?
  347. # [22:00] <Hixie> it's possible that all the practical use cases are just handled by <dialog>, true
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  349. # [22:01] <Hixie> though iirc there were some use cases for inert="" without <dialog>
  350. # [22:01] <Hixie> i can look into it in more detail on monday if you like - file a bug? http://whatwg.org/newbug
  351. # [22:01] <sicking> Hixie: that's certainly my gut reaction (that <dialog> solves all use cases), but that's why I asked
  352. # [22:02] <sicking> i can file a bug
  353. # [22:03] <Hixie> thanks
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  355. # [22:03] <Hixie> i'll look into it and if i can't find why it was added i'll remove the attribute
  356. # [22:03] <Hixie> (the attribute doesn't do much, it just hooks into the logic that exists anyway for dialogs)
  357. # [22:04] <sicking> implementation-wise I suspect that they are quite different
  358. # [22:04] <sicking> at least in Gecko
  359. # [22:07] <Hixie> really?
  360. # [22:07] <Hixie> why?
  361. # [22:08] <Hixie> i guess <dialog> can be implemented more efficiently?
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  363. # [22:09] <sicking> first of all I think we could disable any checking if we don't have a <dialog> up
  364. # [22:10] <sicking> also, things like making find-as-you-type only search a subsection is easier than seach anything that isn't inert
  365. # [22:10] <Hixie> makes sense
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  377. # [22:55] <SamB> so, the difference between inert= and disabled= was what again?
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