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  350. # [10:48] <annevk> Anyone here understand compound microtasks? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24810
  351. # [10:48] * annevk was hoping to align mutation observers with the new world order
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  353. # [10:53] <annevk> Oh beautiful
  354. # [10:53] <annevk> var x = document.createAttribute("test:test", "test"); w(x.localName)
  355. # [10:56] <annevk> Ooh, createAttribute does not take a second argument, what the actual fuck?
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  363. # [11:07] <annevk> Teehee, x = XMLHttpRequest() now throws in Nightly
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  368. # [11:18] <annevk> If you read http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-887236154 what would you expect to be returned when an attribute replaces itself?
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  372. # [11:28] <annevk> foolip_: does my plan make sense to you?
  373. # [11:29] <annevk> foolip_: if you feel like we could get rid of createAttribute() / setAttributeNode() I could leave those out for now, but it seems like a lost cause
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  451. # [13:57] <zcorpan_> <details> and <summary> aren't especially searchable names
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  458. # [14:12] <GPHemsley> annevk, dglazkov_: Can you clarify for me what HTML Imports are intended to be used for?
  459. # [14:13] <annevk> Importing HTML fragments without the overhead of a browsing context
  460. # [14:14] <smaug____> xinclude ;)
  461. # [14:14] <wilhelm_> Is this in any browsers yet?
  462. # [14:15] <GPHemsley> annevk: To answer your unrelated question from earlier: Given "Replacing an attribute node by itself has no effect." and "If the newAttr attribute replaces an existing attribute, the replaced Attr node is returned, otherwise null is returned.", I would expect null to be returned.
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  464. # [14:16] <GPHemsley> annevk, smaug____: How does one use it? (The one example in the spec doesn't really show the results.)
  465. # [14:16] <smaug____> (and no, it is not xinclude. But similar ideas come and go.... Shadow DOM ~ XBL1)
  466. # [14:17] <GPHemsley> Is it only accessible via scripting?
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  471. # [14:31] <GPHemsley> annevk: Alright, well, I've given my preliminary assessment; feel free to correct any misunderstandings I may have.
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  483. # [14:48] <zcorpan_> Hixie: "For example "</video>" causes the video element to start fetching video content" https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24798 - that is not true iirc. fetching can start earlier. but playback is blocked because there might be <track>s that should block
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  487. # [14:51] <annevk> GPHemsley: null is what I expected as well, but of course browsers do the other thing (consistently though, so there's that)
  488. # [14:51] <annevk> GPHemsley: you'd use HTML imports through scripting, yes
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  514. # [16:00] <GPHemsley> annevk: I suppose the other behavior is also a possible interpretation of those quotes. I guess "replacing" is a cause, not an effect, so the replacement does actually happen, returning the new Attr node (which is the same as the old Attr node).
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  516. # [16:00] <GPHemsley> annevk: Seems like the wording to be improved to clarify what "no effect" means (because apparently returning the Attr node instead of null is not an effect).
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  533. # [16:30] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  537. # [16:34] <annevk> GPHemsley: well that spec is dead :-)
  538. # [16:34] <annevk> the new one will have a crystal clear algorithm
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  563. # [17:19] <GPHemsley> alrighty
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  569. # [17:30] <tantek> perhaps ask Todd Fahrner?
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  580. # [18:14] <SamB> tantek: meh, don't care that much ...
  581. # [18:15] <annevk> SamB: prolly because it was created back then
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  600. # [18:48] <annevk> foolip_: sorry about that
  601. # [18:48] <annevk> foolip_: really thought ownerElement was widely deployed
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  613. # [19:02] <Hixie> annevk: can you elaborate on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25089 ?
  614. # [19:02] <Hixie> (microtasks in workers question)
  615. # [19:03] <Hixie> why would workers have microtasks?
  616. # [19:03] <Hixie> i thought all microtask things were dom-based right now
  617. # [19:03] <Hixie> table sorting, mutation observers, web components, etc
  618. # [19:04] <Hixie> i guess it could be made more generic
  619. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Object.observe?
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  622. # [19:07] <Hixie> Object.observe interfaces with HTML's event loop?
  623. # [19:08] <Hixie> i have yet to hear anything form TC39 about anything i'm supposed to do about their event loop thing
  624. # [19:08] <Hixie> from
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  629. # [19:12] <annevk> Hixie: promises and Object.observe() are microtasks
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  631. # [19:12] <annevk> Hixie: ES6 calls them "tasks" at the moment, confusingly enough, they're considering changing the name
  632. # [19:12] <Domenic___> despite allen's insistence that ES tasks are different :(
  633. # [19:12] <Hixie> i've updated the spec to make microtasks happen on workers too
  634. # [19:12] <Domenic___> wow how do i keep growing underscores on my name
  635. # [19:12] <Hixie> right now though, ES thingies, whatever they are called, aren't invoked by HTML's microtasks logic.
  636. # [19:13] <Hixie> so they ain't microtasks yet.
  637. # [19:13] <annevk> Hixie: fair enough, at some point we need to study the "host integration" I guess
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  639. # [19:13] <annevk> Hixie: hopefully Allen fixes the bug around global != this too
  640. # [19:13] <annevk> Hixie: I filed that a while ago now...
  641. # [19:13] <Hixie> that'd be nice
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  656. # [19:36] <annevk> web-apps-tracker keeps breaking down :(
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  668. # [20:09] <annevk> Might be a DreamHost issue, I filed a ticket
  669. # [20:10] <annevk> It seems https://github.com/whatwg/html-mirror/commits can be used meanwhile although it lags a little bit
  670. # [20:13] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: how's the CSS variables thread going
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  681. # [20:33] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: OH GOD SAVE ME
  682. # [20:33] <TabAtkins> In other words, it's done. We'll discuss tomorrow and make a decision.
  683. # [20:33] <TabAtkins> Nothing going on in the thread is worth anything anymore.
  684. # [20:33] <Domenic_> yeah, that's what i figured. (yet you keep replying... :P)
  685. # [20:34] <TabAtkins> I'm a bit of a masochist in some realms.
  686. # [20:34] <Domenic_> where are people standing, generally?
  687. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> Looks like the use of -- as a prefix will work out well. It's a small parser change.
  688. # [20:35] <Domenic_> interesting!
  689. # [20:35] <Domenic_> nice, that seems like a win. and you think it can be extended to other custom thingies?
  690. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> Yup, I'll just change over the current proposal from a _ prefix to a -- prefix.
  691. # [20:35] <Domenic_> that's awesome
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  703. # [20:45] <annevk> what's wrong with _?
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  705. # [20:46] <TabAtkins> It's ugly.
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  707. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> Like --
  708. # [20:48] <Domenic_> LIKE YOUR FACE
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  714. # [20:49] <TabAtkins> People seem to consider dashes less ugly than underscores, shrug.
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  721. # [20:53] <jamesr_> my shift key thanks you
  722. # [20:54] <TabAtkins> That's probably at least partially the reason, yes.
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  724. # [20:54] <TabAtkins> (That's one of the reasons I like Lisp better than most languages - I can just use "-" rather than having to hit Shift to get _ or camelCase.)
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  727. # [20:59] <hober> yeah, when i suggested prefix--foo i was thinking of the emacs lisp convention for package-private symbols
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  734. # [21:18] <TabAtkins> Ah. Well, people can always use more -- on the inside, if they want.
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  755. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> annevk, getAttributeNode() is coming back?
  756. # [21:45] <annevk> Ms2ger, yeah it might
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  762. # [21:59] <SamB> one actual problem I've had with underscores is that sometimes they get buried in link underlines ...
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  765. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, so you're just doing Formal Day now?
  766. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Just trying to class it up more regularly. Still only doing full suits on Friday.
  767. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Also, I just bought a sweater, so I wanted to try it out.
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  769. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> ... Slowly moving into management
  770. # [22:09] <TabAtkins> I am, technically, a manager at the moment, since I'm employing the CSSWG scribe.
  771. # [22:09] <TabAtkins> ...also, I'm now paying fantasai.
  772. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> Ha
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  774. # [22:12] <TabAtkins> Though I do dress better than 90% of Google management (at least) on my classy days.
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  778. # [22:16] <Hixie> TabAtkins: you confused me when i ran into you earlier, because it wasn't friday
  779. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> Hahahaha
  780. # [22:16] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i was busy trying to do two things at once on my phone and listen to a podcast and then there's this guy in a suit waving at me and i'm like "aaah, what's going on"
  781. # [22:16] <Hixie> "it's not friday!"
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  783. # [22:19] <TabAtkins> I'm not even close to being in a suit.
  784. # [22:19] <TabAtkins> Jeans and bare feet, I'm just wearing a nice shirt, a sweater, and a tie.
  785. # [22:20] <Ms2ger> That sounds like an interesting combination
  786. # [22:20] <Ms2ger> Like something a news anchor could wear if he's behind a desk
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  788. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> They just don't wear pants at all.
  789. # [22:20] <Hixie> TabAtkins: well i dunno, i wasn't looking where i was going, let alone what you were wearing :-)
  790. # [22:23] <Hixie> as far as i'm concerned, if you're wearing a tie, it's asuit
  791. # [22:23] <Hixie> even if it's printed on a t-shirt, that's probably close enough
  792. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> Oh god.
  793. # [22:23] <Hixie> :-P
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  795. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> That's terrible.
  796. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> Does anyone know what the offset is for the hours in Gavin's stats? They kind look like west coast times.
  797. # [22:24] <TabAtkins> Since I have no blue at all, which would correspond to roughly midnight-6am.
  798. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> Sounds right
  799. # [22:24] <TabAtkins> Tangentially related, I like that Divya holds both first and second place for most all-caps messages.
  800. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Or rather, highest percentage.
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