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# Session Start: Thu Mar 27 00:00:00 2014
# Session Ident: #whatwg
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# [00:14] <SamB> (see <http://gpl-violations.org>)
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# [00:45] <Gege> hi
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# [08:39] <zcorpan> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25136 -> http://www.xkcd.com/1172/
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# [09:44] <Ms2ger> jsbell, if you read the logs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=916644
# [09:48] <ondras> just out of curiosity, why shall be these ctors disabled?
# [09:49] <Ms2ger> No good reason afaict
# [09:49] <ondras> 'cause there are those "new" shiny Event constructors, right?
# [09:50] <Ms2ger> It's "new Event()" vs "Event()"
# [09:50] <ondras> aha
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# [09:50] <ondras> so it is not document.createElement vs. new HTMLDivElement ?
# [09:50] <Ms2ger> No
# [09:51] <ondras> okay then
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# [12:11] <jgraham> zcorpan: You win the "I crashed jgraham's computer" award for crashing my computer (kinda)
# [12:12] <zcorpan> jgraham: how did i do that?
# [12:12] <zcorpan> jgraham: evil test again?
# [12:12] <jgraham> (one of your tests has while(true) {postMessage(1)} in a worker and when I edited the test but accidentially forgot to call worker.terminate, everything froze until the OOM killer started taking out random processes)
# [12:13] <jgraham> (I think)
# [12:13] <zcorpan> interesting
# [12:14] <jgraham> (I didn't actually check that the OOM killer was involved but otherwise I don't know why Chrome and the networking stack both died)
# [12:14] <zcorpan> i think i didn't quite get those tests to do what i wanted them to do, not sure if everyone has a bug or they're fundamentally bogus
# [12:15] <jgraham> Is the idea that worker.terminate is supposed to be sync so that after you call that no more messages are processed even if they are already in the queue?
# [12:16] * jgraham isn't sure he is suppsoed to guess what the spec says by reading the tests ;)
# [12:17] <jgraham> It kinda seems like steps 2 and 3 in the terminate a worker algorithm should be swapped around
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# [12:32] <gsnedders> Having glaziers replacing window is mostly unsurprisingly full of loud bangs.
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# [12:50] <jgraham> gsnedders: What about having glazou replace Windows?
# [12:51] <gsnedders> :)
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# [13:26] <annevk> Hixie: on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/ "the relevant FAQ entry" is a dead link
# [13:27] <annevk> Hixie: should we put Twitter accounts and GitHub repositories there too?
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# [14:58] <jgraham> !summon Ms2ger
# [14:58] <jgraham> As Ms2ger would say
# [14:59] <ondras> nice, does he grant wishes once summoned?
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# [15:00] <jgraham> ondras: That's what I'm hoping at least
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# [15:46] <annevk> Hixie: I recommend skimming through https://speakerdeck.com/dherman/status-report-es6-modules
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# [16:10] <annevk> mathiasbynens: suggestion for http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/showmodaldialog/
# [16:11] <annevk> mathiasbynens: add a bit on how something in a standard can still be deemed broken and removed at a future date of compatibility analysis changes
# [16:11] <annevk> mathiasbynens: now on the standards side we should probably better identify those cases
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# [16:21] <mathiasbynens> annevk: sounds good. will do
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# [16:33] <SamB> ondras: annevk I assume s/date of/date if/ ?
# [16:34] <SamB> er.
# [16:34] <SamB> darn it
# [16:34] <SamB> that was for annevk
# [16:34] <annevk> yes
# [16:34] <annevk> btw, did we sort out the logo situation?
# [16:34] <annevk> SamB: should I just commit a CONTRIBUTORS and LICENSE file as per that bug?
# [16:35] <SamB> well, Wikimedia Commons thinks that the WHATWG logo itself (and rasters of it) is too simple to be copyrighted
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# [16:36] <TabAtkins> SamB: That's... probably incorrect.
# [16:36] <SamB> which would basically leave the only potentially copyrighted thing in logo.svg being the path for the question mark
# [16:37] <SamB> TabAtkins: oh?
# [16:38] <TabAtkins> Actually, I'm not sure about copyright. It's certainly fine to be trademarked.
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# [16:38] <SamB> sure, sure
# [16:38] <TabAtkins> But copyright can apply to very small pieces of text.
# [16:39] <TabAtkins> And I don't think that the art application would exclude something like the WHATWG logo, which has specific design/color/etc choices that would distinguish it from other similar things.
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# [16:42] <SamB> that sounds trademarky to me
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# [16:45] <TabAtkins> It's possible. I'm not a copyright lawyer. Just sounds fishy to me, is all.
# [16:46] <SamB> anyway, Matthew Raymond would presumably not get to claim copyright based on the choice of color, and the current logo doesn't even use the same question mark, does it?
# [16:46] <SamB> (Hixie is the one who said that it should be that color)
# [16:46] <TabAtkins> No clue.
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# [16:52] <zcorpan> does anyone know what the implications of http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/rendering.html#bidi-rendering are to review https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/4a7a86f8?review=886 ?
# [16:53] <annevk> SamB: added a README.md with the necessary info
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# [16:56] <SamB> TabAtkins: anyway, I uploaded the original PNG to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WHATWG_logo_(Matthew_Raymond).png and then proposed that it be deleted; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:WHATWG_logo_(Matthew_Raymond).png is the resulting discussion
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# [17:00] <SamB> annevk: at least it parsed logo-xhr.svg correctly
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# [17:06] <SamB> annevk: unlike inkscape and rsvg both
# [17:06] <annevk> yeah that was weird
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# [17:10] <SamB> ah, so that uses batik?
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