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  101. # [03:25] <benschwarz> hey @ Hixie - someone just hit me up on IRC saying "The file http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/images/robots.jpeg has wrong MIME-type text/html. The web-server config have to be corrected."
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  103. # [03:27] <TabAtkins> Chrome's network tab says it's image/jpeg.
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  105. # [03:31] <benschwarz> TabAtkins: heh. I didn't check
  106. # [03:31] <benschwarz> so does curl
  107. # [03:32] <benschwarz> it also says Content-Language: en-GB-x-Hixie
  108. # [03:37] <benschwarz> TabAtkins: this time next week we get to kick back in sunny Melbourne
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  120. # [04:10] <TabAtkins> benschwarz: Yessssss
  121. # [04:10] <TabAtkins> benschwarz: And I found nail polish that appears to be the exact shade of the cssconf.au page background. ^_^
  122. # [04:10] <benschwarz> we saw !
  123. # [04:11] <benschwarz> we posted it in our hipchat
  124. # [04:11] <benschwarz> we're thinking a booth setup
  125. # [04:11] <benschwarz> where we get our nails did'
  126. # [04:11] <TabAtkins> +1
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  130. # [04:23] <zewt> hate@hipchat
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  146. # [05:45] <Hixie> benschwarz: weird, dunno why they're asking you. anyway, i fixed those earlier today when someone was asking about it.
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  179. # [06:43] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thanks for the rel="shortcut icon" change. I'll implement it in the validator this week
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  181. # [06:43] <Hixie> np
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  183. # [06:43] <Hixie> sorry i've been slow recently. i should be back on more reliably next week.
  184. # [06:44] <Hixie> (then i disappear again for a week, iirc)
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  224. # [07:58] <zcorpan> hober: also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2014Jan/0037.html
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  281. # [10:22] <ondras> can someone please point me to the spec where :host pseudo-class is defined?
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  288. # [10:31] <MikeSmith> ondras: TabAtkins
  289. # [10:32] <MikeSmith> scoping spec
  290. # [10:36] <ondras> MikeSmith: okay thanks
  291. # [10:36] <ondras> TabAtkins: ?
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  293. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> his spec
  294. # [10:38] <ondras> MikeSmith: well where can I find it then?
  295. # [10:39] <Ms2ger> http://drafts.csswg.org/css-scoping/
  296. # [10:40] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, re "The harness should do as little as possible."... Didn't you suggest adding the div id=log? :)
  297. # [10:40] <Ms2ger> (I know, not nearly as intrusive as a script)
  298. # [10:41] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: yeah. i realize that adding a div can confuse things, but it's easy to opt-out
  299. # [10:41] <Ms2ger> And we already add the stylesheet, I think
  300. # [10:41] <zcorpan> also it only does that after the tests have finished
  301. # [10:42] <Ms2ger> Anyway, just throwing that out there :)
  302. # [10:42] <zcorpan> at which point it can do whatever, it won't affect the tests' result
  303. # [10:42] <zcorpan> maybe it could inject *report at that point also
  304. # [10:43] <Ms2ger> I think report wants to be running earlier
  305. # [10:43] <zcorpan> yeah
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  339. # [13:46] <manus> Hello! I have a couple quick questions around tabindex and various notions of focus, specifically regarding behaviors/rules for overflowed elements.. would here be an appropriate place to ask them?
  340. # [13:46] <manus> I've already done a bit of googling and light reading and testing and am still slightly confused about something.
  341. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> manus: fine to just go ahead and ask here
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  345. # [13:49] <manus> Cool, thanks MikeSmith. Is there any defined/documented behavior for keyboard focus (as opposed to "normal" focus) for elements such as scrollable divs?
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  347. # [13:49] <manus> I made a jsfiddle here: http://jsbin.com/sizofuse/7/edit?html,output
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  349. # [13:50] <manus> and results are surprising, especially when tabindex is involved, and when nesting scrollable divs
  350. # [13:51] <manus> I've noticed browsers implementing different behaviors, and I just wanted to know if there's a part of this that hsa been, or will ever be, standardized
  351. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> SteveF: ↑☃
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  353. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> manus: no clue personally but if you hang out here for a bit somebody might be able to give you an informed answer
  354. # [13:53] <manus> Thanks, MikeSmith! I'll lurk here for a while, though may be away to lunch at some point
  355. # [13:55] <jgraham> So I think that generally the order in which various things get focus is supposed to be standardised, and the focus model itself is getting standardised, although I don't exactly know what would make scrollables different
  356. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: fyi I landed support to make rel="shortcut icon" checking match the current spec
  357. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/6befdd67ecf87754fc592cc0ac526d5c9c3c3345#diff-2
  358. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> and pushed to http://validator.w3.org/nu/
  359. # [13:58] <manus> jgraham: thanks for a response. I think scrollables have a different notion of focus, in terms of, for example, keyboard scrolling. if you click a div that has scrollable content, does it have "focus" from a standards perspective? are there different kinds of focus in play here?
  360. # [13:59] <jgraham> manus: I don't know too much about this :)
  361. # [13:59] <jgraham> Hixie was working on it, but you will have to wait another 4-5 hours for him to be around, I guess
  362. # [13:59] <manus> jgraham: ok, thanks anyway. :] It's just that current browser implementations don't agree, and I want to file a bug somewhere, but I don't know if this behavior is even specified
  363. # [14:00] <jgraham> manus++ for wanting to file a bug ;)
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  366. # [14:04] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: "Error: Bad value shortcut icon for attribute rel on element link: If the shortcut keyword is present, the rel attribute's entire value must be shortcut icon. The string shortcut is not an absolute URL. "
  367. # [14:04] <MikeSmith> yeah
  368. # [14:04] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: i follow the message up to the last sentence
  369. # [14:04] <MikeSmith> that's because RDFa I think
  370. # [14:04] <zcorpan> @_@
  371. # [14:05] <MikeSmith> yeah RDFa tokens in rel to be absolute URLs
  372. # [14:05] <MikeSmith> the checkers emits two separate error messages
  373. # [14:06] <MikeSmith> from two different datatype-checking classes that are unaware of each other
  374. # [14:06] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: but why doesn't it pretend that "shortcut" is registered keyword?
  375. # [14:07] <zcorpan> it doesn't complain that "icon" isn't a URL
  376. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> right, because it only proceeds with the absolute-URL check if the keyword check fails
  377. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> and if the keyword check fails the code in that class throws
  378. # [14:09] <MikeSmith> I don't have any means after it throws to proceed as if "shortcut" is registered
  379. # [14:09] <zcorpan> ok.. "Bad value icon shortcut for attribute rel on element link: If the shortcut keyword is present, the rel attribute's entire value must be shortcut icon. The string icon is not an absolute URL."
  380. # [14:10] <MikeSmith> hmm that's not good
  381. # [14:11] <zcorpan> ":" seems to pass the URL check
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  385. # [14:12] <MikeSmith> sadly, RDFa
  386. # [14:12] <MikeSmith> that passes because it's a valid CURIE
  387. # [14:13] <MikeSmith> per the gigasmic mess that the RDFa specs are
  388. # [14:14] <zcorpan> do you support CURIEs?
  389. # [14:14] <MikeSmith> the W3C service does
  390. # [14:15] <MikeSmith> for whatever attributes where the RDFa says they're allowed
  391. # [14:16] <zcorpan> ;_;
  392. # [14:16] <MikeSmith> yup
  393. # [14:16] <zcorpan> anyway, it'd be nice if the url/curie checker somehow skipped the tokens that are registered keywords
  394. # [14:17] <MikeSmith> yeah I will see if I can make it do that somehow
  395. # [14:17] <zcorpan> maybe ax them out of the list before passing on to that checker or something
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  398. # [14:19] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: rel=":}]%" also validates so it doesn't seem like it checks the url part much
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  401. # [14:22] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: is safe_curie supported? where is that expected instead of curie?
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  430. # [15:35] <SteveF> zcorpan: windows Progressive Disclosure Controls http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa511487.aspx
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  438. # [15:43] <MikeSmith> and I guess the reason rel=":}]%" validates is because ":}]%" is valid curie per RDFa
  439. # [15:44] <MikeSmith> prefixless curie I guess
  440. # [15:44] <MikeSmith> I vaguely recall something about prefix-lacking curies being allowed in RDFa
  441. # [15:46] <MikeSmith> so anyway I think the validator is not checking ":}]%" as a URL in that case but instead as a curie
  442. # [15:46] <MikeSmith> and the validator considers it a valid curie
  443. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> rightly or wrongly
  444. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> but I think rightly, since I'm just using whatever production for curie is given in the current RDFa spec
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  646. # [20:42] <annevk> Realms are actually interesting I just realized. They're a way to get a global without a browsing context... I wonder if that's going to lead to a bunch of issues
  647. # [20:43] <annevk> I think we carefully check for "associated browsing context" mostly. But if we have checks for "associated global" instead that might be trouble
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  751. # [23:33] <cbiesinger> Hixie: hey
  752. # [23:34] <cbiesinger> Hixie: I was wondering if there's any progress on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24724 ?
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