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  4. # [00:04] <IZh> Okay. :-)
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  9. # [00:07] <IZh> What about colors? There are more and more monitors capable to display 30-bit colors.
  10. # [00:07] <Hixie> yeah
  11. # [00:07] <Domenic_> Wasn't there some smooth animating verison of scrollIntoView() being specced somewhere?
  12. # [00:07] <Hixie> color is hard
  13. # [00:07] <Hixie> too many places in the platform assume 32 bit colour
  14. # [00:08] <Hixie> (including alpha)
  15. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> IZh: Colors can be whatever depth you want. You're not limited to the hex notation.
  16. # [00:08] <IZh> There is often lack of support by modern OSes, but I believe it will be more wide supported soon.
  17. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Whether the browser actually uses anything bigger than 32-bit is up to it.
  18. # [00:08] <Hixie> you are in a lot of places
  19. # [00:08] <Hixie> e.g. rgb(1,1,1) and #XXX are both limited to 32 bit
  20. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: It's in CSSOM-View, I believe.
  21. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Hixie: *Some* syntaxes are.
  22. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Other syntaxes aren't.
  23. # [00:09] <Hixie> and it underlies a lot of the assumptions
  24. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> ...like?
  25. # [00:10] <IZh> What syntax is suitable for 30-bit colors (10 bit per channel)?
  26. # [00:10] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: that was it, thanks. Nice spec. I assume no implementers? :P
  27. # [00:10] <Hixie> like, <input type=color> is a 32 bit color
  28. # [00:10] <Hixie> (well, 24 bit)
  29. # [00:10] <TabAtkins> IZh: Use rgb() with percentages, or use hsl().
  30. # [00:10] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Yeah, it exposes the color as a hex string, so 8bits per.
  31. # [00:11] <Hixie> and canvas exposes colours using rgba(n,n,n,m) 0<=n<=255
  32. # [00:11] <Hixie> i forget what cssom does
  33. # [00:11] <TabAtkins> So HTML makes a bunch of assumptions and only exposes colors as 8bit per. CSS doesn't.
  34. # [00:13] <Hixie> oh nobody mentioned CSS. CSS might allow it, sure.
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  36. # [00:13] <Hixie> CSSOM serialises to 32bit also, it looks like
  37. # [00:13] <zewt> doubt we'll see greater than 8bpc color in (consumer) displays any time soon
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  39. # [00:14] <Hixie> so same problem there
  40. # [00:14] <zewt> could be sort of interesting to do temporal dithering on a 24bpp display to get higher resolution color, heh
  41. # [00:14] <IZh> I think the best way is a percentages with enough precision to select particular value up to 16-bit per channel -- the highest depth possible in some image formats
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  44. # [00:15] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Where?
  45. # [00:15] <IZh> zewt: I have 30-bit capable display. ;-)
  46. # [00:15] <zewt> (which is what my plasma TV seems to do)
  47. # [00:15] <Hixie> TabAtkins: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/#serializing-css-values
  48. # [00:16] <zewt> "consumer", they're beyond rare heh
  49. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> rgb() no longer requires only integers in the N,N,N format.
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  51. # [00:17] <IZh> zewt: not so rare as you think. :-) You can search for 30-bit colors
  52. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> (Got that fixed in Colors 4. Recent, so impls probably haven't caught up yet.)
  53. # [00:17] <zewt> they're precisely as rare as i think :)
  54. # [00:17] <IZh> zewt: the problem now is that only few apps like Photoshop can use it :-)
  55. # [00:18] <Hixie> TabAtkins: ah. i hope that doesn't break any scripts relying on the serialisation to be rounded off to integers.
  56. # [00:19] <TabAtkins> Me too!
  57. # [00:19] <zewt> even photoshop is bad at it and turns lots of stuff off
  58. # [00:19] <TabAtkins> Because I'm mainly trying to fix *my* scripts that do naive math and forgte to floor things to integers.
  59. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> Canvas is extra-bad, since accidentally setting thing to "rgb(127.5, 127.5, 127.5)" gives you pure black.
  60. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> Very annoying to debug unless you learn to recognize it.
  61. # [00:20] <IZh> zewt: what you mean? I read that all is ok. But I have no time yet to play with it by myself.
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  65. # [00:22] <zewt> i wonder if it would be useful to allow serializing colors to [0,255] floats to truncate the decimal place early, so (1/65535) can be output as something like 0.004 instead of 0.003921568627
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  67. # [00:23] <zewt> allow truncating to any value that gives the same result when converted to a 16-bit int, or something like that
  68. # [00:23] <TabAtkins> It's annoying that the divisor isn't 256, as that makes for nice pretty decimals.
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  70. # [00:23] <TabAtkins> 10-bit color just has .25, .5, .75 in that case.
  71. # [00:24] <zewt> 1/256 is 0.00390625, which is beyond my ability to recognize as 1/power of two, heh
  72. # [00:24] <TabAtkins> The values are already scaled to 1/256, so that's just "1".
  73. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> The issue is that the divisor right now isn't 1/256, but 1/255, which has worse decimal serialization.
  74. # [00:25] <zewt> no, 1/256 (0.00390625) is the value you'd get for 1/65536 after converting it to [1,256]
  75. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> Oh, that's 16-bit channels.
  76. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> Sure.
  77. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> ([0,256])
  78. # [00:26] <zewt> i'll pass on a 257-color mode :P
  79. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> Aw, come on.
  80. # [00:26] <zewt> IZh: many filters only work in 8-bit, and tons don't work in 32-bit
  81. # [00:26] <zewt> (they're probably gradually fixing them)
  82. # [00:27] <zewt> but the main point of 16-bit editing in photoshop is editing, not display
  83. # [00:27] <zewt> (which I've used many times; helps prevent artifacts cropping in when you're doing a lot of filtering)
  84. # [00:28] <IZh> zewt: 1. You can see raw image from your camera with more wider dynamic range.
  85. # [00:29] <zewt> 16-bit color doesn't give you more dynamic range, it gives you higher resolution in the same range
  86. # [00:29] <IZh> Agree.
  87. # [00:29] <zewt> do i have to
  88. # [00:29] <IZh> Finer gradients
  89. # [00:30] <zewt> one of photoshop's dumb things is that it doesn't (as far as I know) support dithering gradients
  90. # [00:30] <IZh> With 30-bit mode you don't need it. ;-)
  91. # [00:38] <zewt> not sure what you're trying to argue :P
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  93. # [00:38] <IZh> Although you have a 4k display :-)
  94. # [00:38] <zewt> (no I don't)
  95. # [00:38] <IZh> Me too. Alas.
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  97. # [00:38] <zewt> afk
  98. # [00:38] <astearns> zewt: the gradient tool options has a dither checkbox (never used it, though)
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  104. # [00:41] <IZh> What about hex noration, where bits are "left-aligned"?
  105. # [00:42] <IZh> I mean that ff, ff4, ff40 will give the same value ff when converted to 8-bit.
  106. # [00:42] <IZh> I mean, most significant bit first
  107. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> IZh: What are you talking about?
  108. # [00:43] <IZh> Colors
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  110. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> Yes. What are you talking about, with this discussion of left-aligned bits?
  111. # [00:44] <IZh> I propose new encoding :-)
  112. # [00:44] <IZh> Of colors
  113. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> Why?
  114. # [00:46] <IZh> To support different depth without very long floating point numbers.
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  116. # [00:46] <cabanier> zewt: sure it does
  117. # [00:46] <cabanier> support dithering gradients
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  119. # [00:47] <IZh> TabAtkins: Just an idea.
  120. # [00:48] <cabanier> IZh: is this just to reduce banding? nothing's stopping a browser from making that optimization
  121. # [00:49] <cabanier> IZh: colors don't have to be in high precision for that. Adobe apps have been doing that for 18 years
  122. # [00:50] <IZh> cabanier: I believe that sooner 30-bit displays will conquer the market
  123. # [00:50] <cabanier> ok
  124. # [00:50] <IZh> cabanier: So you will need to specify particular color.
  125. # [00:51] <cabanier> IZh: why?
  126. # [00:52] <cabanier> IZh: with color managments, you will never get the actual color value on the display
  127. # [00:53] <cabanier> IZh: 30 bit gives you more consistency over the color range so you don't lose precision
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  129. # [00:55] <IZh> cabanier: For image manipulation, for example
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  132. # [00:56] <IZh> cabanier: I think, this is orthogonal things
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  134. # [00:57] <IZh> cabanier: It gives the ability to set, for example, rgb(1023, 1022, 1000) color
  135. # [00:58] <zewt> oh yeah, it's gradient layer styles that don't dither
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  137. # [01:00] <cabanier> zewt: there's a dither button for gradient layer styles
  138. # [01:00] <zewt> ah, that's new
  139. # [01:01] <zewt> (i see it in CS6, i do a lot in CS4)
  140. # [01:01] <cabanier> Photoshop CS6
  141. # [01:01] <cabanier> ah
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  148. # [01:08] <cabanier> IZh: css color allows decimal points for color values. That should work for you, right?
  149. # [01:12] <IZh> cabanier: yes. The only thing is long syntax. 7/1024 = 0.0068359375 vs 013
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  151. # [01:18] <IZh> I mean 01C :-)
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  154. # [01:22] <zewt> have browsers implemented high-color support in other systems (canvas, CSS colors, gradients and shadows, image rendering, ) ... well okay
  155. # [01:26] <cabanier> zewt: no :-) not even decent color support except maybe Safari
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  158. # [01:27] <zewt> i presumed that, it was a leading question to "then lobby for that before asking for new features" :)
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  186. # [02:25] <MikeSmith> cabanier: thanksーturned on the Chrome "Enable experimental canvas features" flag and re-generated the test report http://w3c.github.io/test-results/2dcontext/less-than-2.html
  187. # [02:28] <MikeSmith> cabanier: about http://www.w3c-test.org/2dcontext/fill-and-stroke-styles/2d.pattern.repeat.null.html & http://www.w3c-test.org/2dcontext/fill-and-stroke-styles/2d.pattern.image.broken.html ーthanks also, I'll fix those and open a PR
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  191. # [02:30] <MikeSmith> cabanier: ah I see you opened a PR already
  192. # [02:37] <MikeSmith> cabanier: hmm that new http://web-platform.test:8000/2dcontext/fill-and-stroke-styles/2d.pattern.image.broken.html test fails too
  193. # [02:38] <MikeSmith> "that is not a DOMException INVALID_STATE_ERR: property "code" is equal to undefined, expected 11"
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  200. # [02:44] <MikeSmith> cabanier: yeah seems that still nobody actually conforms to the spec on this yet, right?
  201. # [02:45] <MikeSmith> nobody throws
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  203. # [02:50] <MikeSmith> cabanier: wait in the case where there is not image at a given URL, the image is not going to be in the "broken" state is it? it just remains "unavailable"
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  217. # [02:56] <MikeSmith> an nah I see it does end up as "broken"
  218. # [03:03] <MikeSmith> cabanier: fyi https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405761 "drawImage should throw INVALID_STATE_ERR on invalid image, not NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAIL"
  219. # [03:04] <MikeSmith> which is not createPattern but I guess it's the same issue, as far as Firefox goes
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  248. # [04:29] <cabanier> MikeSmith: It's weird. when I try the createPattern case with my own test file in chrome canary, it throws the right exception, but not in the test
  249. # [04:29] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I opened a firefox bug on it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003380
  250. # [04:29] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I got an r+ for the patch but the test is failing. Likely because the image is not in the broken state when the test runs
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  253. # [04:49] <MikeSmith> cabanier: sounds like you've got another Firefox bug to fix :-) by the time you're done you'll have re-written all the image-processing logic in Firefox. And by the time you're done with that, Hixie will have landed the image-processing changes in the spec and your changes will be out of date already :-)
  254. # [04:50] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I marked 405761 as a duplicate
  255. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> ok
  256. # [04:50] <cabanier> :-)
  257. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> so about the createPattern test, maybe there's a bug in the test
  258. # [04:51] <MikeSmith> but I dunno what it'd be
  259. # [04:51] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I don't know what's going on. I can't tell from stepping through.
  260. # [04:51] <cabanier> MikeSmith: it seems the image state is fragile
  261. # [04:51] <MikeSmith> sounds like
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  275. # [06:06] <Hixie> MikeSmith: aw man, img loading. i don't suppose you want to spec that do you.
  276. # [06:06] * Hixie is so lot looking forward to speccing that
  277. # [06:06] <Hixie> uh, not, not lot
  278. # [06:19] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I don't want to spec it :)
  279. # [06:19] <Hixie> bummer
  280. # [06:20] <cabanier> Hixie: didn't you already spec it?
  281. # [06:20] <cabanier> or is it not detailed enough?
  282. # [06:20] <Hixie> see recent mails to the list, i linked to the relevant bugs
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  284. # [06:23] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I guess you probably don't necessarily _want_ to spec it either. But as usual if you don't, nobody else going to
  285. # [06:23] <Hixie> :-)
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  302. # [07:14] <Hixie> woot, my parser is up to passing 5000 tests.
  303. # [07:14] <Hixie> no idea how many tests there are...
  304. # [07:14] <Hixie> and about 4000 of those seem to be entity tests...
  305. # [07:14] <Hixie> but anyway...
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  307. # [07:29] <zcorpan> Hixie: html parser?
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  315. # [08:25] <zcorpan> Hixie: now the spec looks nice!
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  322. # [09:19] <hsivonen> Hixie: no complaints about the TLD-based guessing yet
  323. # [09:20] <hsivonen> Hixie: meanwhile, Firefox 29 shipped, so I should nugde the telemetry folks about running the analysis for 27 and 28 now
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  327. # [09:21] <hsivonen> SimonSapin: the use case for VISCII is editing an mq patch as text in gedit when the patch patches both UTF-8 files and windows-1252 files, so the patch as a whole won't decode cleanly as either
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  329. # [09:21] <hsivonen> SimonSapin: VISCII a) is supported by gedit, b) assigns all the bytes and c) doesn't do bidi or other munging
  330. # [09:23] <Ms2ger> Speaking of obscure use cases :)
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  335. # [09:32] <zcorpan> https://xkcd.com/1172/
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  383. # [13:08] <jgraham> zcorpan: You should get TabAtkins to sign up as a reviewer for the quirks mode spec
  384. # [13:09] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: ^
  385. # [13:09] <jgraham> +tests
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  387. # [13:19] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens++ for record turnaround time re CSS.escape spec changes
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  391. # [13:41] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: Mozilla just landed an initial implementation based on the old spec, bad timing :/
  392. # [13:42] <zcorpan> that's ok, it'll just escape some things that are not necessary anymore (but were necessary per css2.1)
  393. # [13:43] <zcorpan> (before errata)
  394. # [13:43] <zcorpan> i don't like errata
  395. # [13:46] <MikeSmith> "In accordance with prophecy" should be the new meme
  396. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: errata are the new substantive changes
  397. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> we should just give up on trying to create an XML-ER spec and just have the XML Core group publish it all in successive pieces as "errata" for the XML 5th edition spec
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  401. # [13:54] <zcorpan> what if you need to errata the errata? can it go deeper?
  402. # [13:56] <zcorpan> errata #1: fix the link in the errata to this list of errata
  403. # [13:57] <zcorpan> (obviously each level should be harder to find)
  404. # [13:58] <zcorpan> ((the next level is uncommitted))
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  406. # [14:00] <zcorpan> (((limbo is not written down anywhere)))
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  414. # [14:22] <MikeSmith> hah
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  417. # [14:33] <annevk> http://what-if.xkcd.com/94/ <3
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  424. # [15:06] <annevk> mathiasbynens: so what if I pass in a surrogate to CSS.escape()... I get it back? Does not seem entirely correct
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  428. # [15:18] <mathiasbynens> annevk: do you mean that whenever CSSOM uses the term “character”, it means scalar value/symbol?
  429. # [15:18] <mathiasbynens> annevk: or should CSSOM be changed so that it is
  430. # [15:25] <annevk> mathiasbynens: I wonder if the behavior for CSS.escape("\uD800") is what we want
  431. # [15:26] <annevk> mathiasbynens: it not defining what it means by character is an issue I suppose
  432. # [15:26] <mathiasbynens> agreed
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  449. # [16:25] <zewt> wow, really? gmail's editor now appears to be swallowing control-pgup/pgdn, preventing me from changing tabs with the keyboard while editing an email
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  453. # [16:29] <SamB> zewt: time to switch to basic html?
  454. # [16:30] <SamB> (it's not as bad as it sounds -- there's still some JavaScript for autocompletion, it's just still possible to use the page if it doesn't work)
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  463. # [17:07] <annevk> I'd rather they wrap the whole thing
  464. # [17:07] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014AprJun/0020.html is ugly
  465. # [17:09] <annevk> JakeA: seems like the SW spec is broken for interfaces?
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  468. # [17:11] <JakeA> annevk: ugh, yes
  469. # [17:11] <JakeA> will see which commit busted that
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  481. # [17:17] <JakeA> annevk: I've rolled it back to the last good commit while I figure out what's happening
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  487. # [17:29] <JakeA> annevk: New version of polymer broke it. Asked Alex to look into it. gh-pages version is working now though
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  489. # [17:31] <annevk> JakeA: ta
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  491. # [17:32] <annevk> Polymer seems like such overkill for a spec
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  493. # [17:38] <Domenic_> I like the idea of killing preprocessors via custom elements.
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  495. # [17:42] <mathiasbynens> annevk: that’s hypermail’s fault, though
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  501. # [17:46] <Hixie> gsnedders: yt?
  502. # [17:47] <Hixie> gsnedders: are you doing test coverage analysis of the parser by any chance?
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  506. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/mattur/status/461240899503407105
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  509. # [17:55] <annevk> Pretty sure Philip` would have spotted that before they even started to attempt writing Polyglot
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  512. # [17:56] <Hixie> anyone want to take over maintaining the blog? it's the main user of CPU on our machine these days.
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  515. # [17:59] <jgraham> Hixie: 4 posts in 2 years? Seems like you could just shoot it in the head
  516. # [18:00] <annevk> Hixie: maintaining how?
  517. # [18:00] <jgraham> Maybe try to dump the content somehow first
  518. # [18:00] <Hixie> maintaining like maybe transitioning us to something that doesn't take huge amounts of CPU just to report content that, as jgraham points out, has only changed 4 times in 2 years
  519. # [18:00] * annevk attempts to reach blog.whatwg.org
  520. # [18:01] <Hixie> the lowest hanging fruit would be making /feed static somehow
  521. # [18:02] <Domenic_> Octopress has worked very well for me. (Static blog generator.)
  522. # [18:02] <annevk> I can't even get to the server at this point
  523. # [18:02] <Hixie> load average: 35.36, 20.42, 11.41
  524. # [18:02] <Domenic_> My preference for Node toolchains over Ruby ones would make me want to try Ghost, but Octopress is known-working.
  525. # [18:02] <Hixie> about 19 of the top 20 processes on the machine are:
  526. # [18:02] <Hixie> 4897 17693 lhunt 0:00.96 0.3 262m 34m 1.8 ? php54.cgi
  527. # [18:02] <Hixie> where "lhunt" is the user that runs the blog
  528. # [18:02] <annevk> Pretty sure WP has plug-ins to make most stuff stable
  529. # [18:03] <annevk> s/stable/static/
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  532. # [18:03] <annevk> Just need to get in...
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  534. # [18:03] <Hixie> yeah i'd be shocked if WP didn't have something like that
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  539. # [18:03] <Hixie> making the RSS static was one of the first optimisations i made to my own blog software decades ago :-)
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  545. # [18:05] <jgraham> Oh, look http://octopress.org/docs/plugins/render-partial/ sounds like what I want for the testthewebforward website
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  549. # [18:05] <jgraham> Domenic_: Any idea if that works directly with github static pages or whatever they're called
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  551. # [18:06] <jgraham> testthewebforward is using raw Jekyll
  552. # [18:06] <Domenic_> jgraham: yup, any static file server. I host http://domenic.me/ with GitHub pages + a CNAME file.
  553. # [18:06] <Domenic_> AFAICT Octopress is just Jekyll + some blog-specific helpers
  554. # [18:06] <jgraham> Domenic_: Right, but I think GitHub have some auto-build thing
  555. # [18:06] <Domenic_> jgraham: yeah, but I don't use that, I just push the files.
  556. # [18:06] <Domenic_> after building locally
  557. # [18:07] <jgraham> Domenic_: Right, but testthewebforward does
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  559. # [18:07] <jgraham> Which is what I want to change
  560. # [18:07] <Domenic_> jgraham: oh i see what you're saying. Cool!
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  562. # [18:08] <jgraham> Looks like the answer is no :(
  563. # [18:08] <cabanier> Ms2ger: can you do merge your own pull request?
  564. # [18:08] <cabanier> s/do//
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  566. # [18:08] <jgraham> cabanier: Which repo?
  567. # [18:09] <cabanier> jgraham: w3c/web-platform-tests
  568. # [18:09] <jgraham> cabanier: If it is reviewed on github or critic then feel free to merge
  569. # [18:10] <cabanier> jgraham: how do I ask for review there? Do I assign it to someone?
  570. # [18:10] <annevk> Hixie: blog.whatwg.org is super slow
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  572. # [18:10] <Hixie> yes
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  574. # [18:10] <jgraham> cabanier: critic automagically asks for review
  575. # [18:10] <Hixie> that's why i mentioned it eaclier :-)
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  578. # [18:10] <Hixie> earlier even
  579. # [18:10] <jgraham> cabanier: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1416
  580. # [18:11] <gsnedders> Hixie: no, but it's trivial to do from html5lib
  581. # [18:11] <gsnedders> Hixie: except the fact that that doesn't necessarily perfectly match the spec, as it is slightly out of date
  582. # [18:11] <cabanier> jgraham: got it!
  583. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> annevk: The behavior for CSS.escape("\uD800") is that you get a string containing U+FFFD, right?
  584. # [18:12] <gsnedders> Hixie: and what are you looking for? line coverage? branch coverage? path coverage?
  585. # [18:12] <Hixie> gsnedders: mostly coverage of each of the switch statements' branches, i think
  586. # [18:12] <Hixie> gsnedders: just to make sure we've covered all of them at least once
  587. # [18:12] <annevk> TabAtkins: no, you get U+D800 back with the current API, though it depends on what character means whether or not it crashes
  588. # [18:13] <gsnedders> Hixie: ping me in half an hour and I'll check what html5lib currently gives
  589. # [18:13] <Hixie> gsnedders: i can probably instrument my own code to check later if you haven't, i was just curious if you were looking into it. could be a useful thing to look at.
  590. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> Hmm. I'd expect either U+FFFD or "\d800", which escapes to a U+FFFD character.
  591. # [18:13] <gsnedders> Hixie: it's trivial to do with html5lib, and I've done it before
  592. # [18:13] <Hixie> gsnedders: ah ok, cool
  593. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> Depending on how escape() is defined.
  594. # [18:13] <gsnedders> Hixie: like nosetests --coverage or something, I forget the argument needed
  595. # [18:14] <Hixie> cool
  596. # [18:14] <annevk> Hixie: cache plugin is on and updated now...
  597. # [18:14] * Hixie wishes he could say the same of FPC
  598. # [18:14] <gsnedders> but yeah, me -> uni
  599. # [18:14] <annevk> Hixie: hopefully it works better?
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  601. # [18:14] <Hixie> (i think you have to use like valgrind or something to do coverage testing for FPC programs)
  602. # [18:14] <Hixie> annevk: cool
  603. # [18:14] <Hixie> annevk: does that make /feed basically static?
  604. # [18:15] <Hixie> looks like yes
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  606. # [18:15] <Hixie> there's a huge comment at the end of the feed now talking about the cache status
  607. # [18:15] <Hixie> i'm guessing that's not necessary :-)
  608. # [18:16] <annevk> hmm
  609. # [18:17] <Hixie> thanks for doing this
  610. # [18:17] <Hixie> it should be a huge help
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  614. # [18:21] <jgraham> cabanier: You want to add your email to https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/home so you get notifications
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  620. # [18:24] <annevk> Hixie: I'll look into disabling debug
  621. # [18:24] <cabanier> jgraham: done. let me know if I'm not using the toold correctly
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  623. # [18:26] <Hixie> annevk: cool
  624. # [18:26] <annevk> Hixie: the admin panel is sooooo slow
  625. # [18:28] <Hixie> the load average is dropping
  626. # [18:28] <Hixie> but it's still 4.64, 7.54, 8.89
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  629. # [18:29] <jgraham> cabanier: Looks like you are doing just fine at the moment. I suspect Ms2ger is particularly interested in "null" rather than a randomly chosen invalid value though (I didn't check the other test, I'm just assuming that it doesn't use "null")
  630. # [18:31] <cabanier> jgraham: yes, it uses a bogus value
  631. # [18:31] <cabanier> jgraham: maybe he's worried that someone tests for the "null" string?
  632. # [18:31] <annevk> Hixie: should be gone now; if you're logged in you might still see it or maybe it's another kind of artifact
  633. # [18:32] <Hixie> annevk: k
  634. # [18:32] <Hixie> annevk: thanks!
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  636. # [18:32] <annevk> Domenic_: tools used to fetch DTDs, brought netscape.com nearly to its knees back in the RSS days
  637. # [18:33] <Domenic_> wowwww
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  639. # [18:33] <Hixie> made w3c suffer too
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  641. # [18:34] <annevk> Yeah, W3C might still suffer I guess
  642. # [18:34] <cabanier> jgraham: I'll add that test. It's easy
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  645. # [18:39] <beverloo_> MikeSmith, thanks for the push repo!
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  647. # [18:43] <cabanier> jgraham: I think I messed something up
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  650. # [18:45] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1424
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  652. # [18:45] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: also would you be OK with setting up a filter for quirks-mode/ ?
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  654. # [18:47] <TabAtkins> Dunno how to do so, but I'm fine with such.
  655. # [18:50] <TabAtkins> annevk: Yeah, W3C still has caching infrastructure in place to handle DTD queries super-cheaply.
  656. # [18:50] <jgraham> cabanier: Seems like you created a new review rather than pushing a commit to your previous branch?
  657. # [18:52] <jgraham> cabanier: Right, the normal mode of operation is to address all the comments in that review and not merge until it says "Accepted" in big letters
  658. # [18:52] <cabanier> jgraham: I directly committed something in the master github. I have no idea how that happened.
  659. # [18:54] <cabanier> jgraham: ok. I should not have merge that pullrequest yet either
  660. # [18:54] <zewt> can just reset it if it's not pushed
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  662. # [18:55] <jgraham> cabanier: Yeah, I'm not sure what you did here, but basically no harm done I thnk
  663. # [18:55] <cabanier> weird
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  667. # [18:56] <gsnedders> Hixie: http://stuff.gsnedders.com/html5lib-coverage-20140430/ is what html5lib-python currently has. html5lib.html5parser and html5lib.tokenizer are probably the only really interesting cases
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  669. # [18:57] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/home click "add filter", type quirks-mode/ in path, make sure it's the right repo and type is "reviewer", click save
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  671. # [18:58] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/tutorial?item=filters if you feel like reading about it
  672. # [18:58] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: and thanks :-)
  673. # [18:58] <TabAtkins> kk
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  675. # [18:58] <gsnedders> Hixie: so we're missing tests for <![FOO[ where <![CDATA[ is parsed, some case in the AAA, and a few cases of branches always being taken
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  677. # [18:59] <zcorpan> jgraham: wtf happened here? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1423 https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1424 https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1425 https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1426
  678. # [18:59] <Hixie> gsnedders: neat
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  681. # [19:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: a few of those cases I'm not sure it's even possible to not take the branch quickly looking
  682. # [19:01] <jgraham> zcorpan: My guess is that MikeSmith was trying to help me set up wptrunner in critic, running into problems and pressing the "test hook" button in w-p-t which re-sends the last request
  683. # [19:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: (proof is left as an exercise to the reader) :)
  684. # [19:01] <Hixie> gsnedders: dead code in html5lib?
  685. # [19:01] <zcorpan> jgraham: oh
  686. # [19:01] <zcorpan> ok
  687. # [19:02] <gsnedders> Hixie: the branch is always taken, so could maybe hoist the body of the if statement and get rid of the if statement
  688. # [19:02] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: wanna drop the excess reviews? :-)
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  691. # [19:03] <gsnedders> Hixie: anyhow, time for me to go back to^W^W^W start revising for exam tomorrow :)
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  693. # [19:04] <Hixie> gsnedders: enjoy!
  694. # [19:05] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I dropped them, no need for you to do anything
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  706. # [19:19] <MikeSmith> jgraham: OK
  707. # [19:19] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah your guess was correct
  708. # [19:19] <MikeSmith> monkey vs typewriter
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  713. # [19:31] <TabAtkins> What's the correct repo in critic for quirks-mode tests?
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  715. # [19:33] <jgraham> TabAtkins: web-platform-tests
  716. # [19:33] <Ms2ger> Since... yesterday?
  717. # [19:33] <jgraham> Today
  718. # [19:33] <jgraham> Possibly depending on timezone or sleeping pattersm
  719. # [19:33] <MikeSmith> beverloo_: glad to help
  720. # [19:34] <jgraham> *patterns
  721. # [19:34] <TabAtkins> Cool, thanks.
  722. # [19:34] <MikeSmith> Hixie: let's move the blog over to hosting at w3.org!
  723. # [19:34] <MikeSmith> that'll probably work out well
  724. # [19:34] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Are we still stuck with the wptrunner webhook thing?
  725. # [19:34] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah I'm stumped at least
  726. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, ....interesting idea
  727. # [19:35] <MikeSmith> jgraham: if Robin can get some time to look at it he might be able to figure it out. I have no clue myself at this point
  728. # [19:35] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Did you try choosing a different content type and then switching back, like darobin suggested?
  729. # [19:35] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I can look more in the morning my time
  730. # [19:36] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah did that
  731. # [19:36] <jgraham> MikeSmith: OK
  732. # [19:36] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Thanks for the help
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  734. # [19:36] <jgraham> Probably we should just ask github at this point
  735. # [19:36] <MikeSmith> yeah
  736. # [19:37] <MikeSmith> jgraham: that config UI makes me want to kick somebody in the face
  737. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> Hey
  738. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> The previous UI was "use the API"
  739. # [19:38] <MikeSmith> I like that UI better
  740. # [19:38] <Hixie> MikeSmith: heh
  741. # [19:38] <MikeSmith> at least somebody didn't get paid money to spend time developing that UI
  742. # [19:39] <MikeSmith> Hixie: speaking of blogs btw the blog thing on w3.org also sucks up most of the CPU. except in that case it's multiplied by 150 times. Or however many CGs there are. It's nuts
  743. # [19:39] <MikeSmith> so, yay for blogs
  744. # [19:40] <gsnedders> Hixie: you just running Apache?
  745. # [19:41] <Hixie> MikeSmith: nice
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  747. # [19:41] <Hixie> gsnedders: yeah
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  750. # [19:42] <gsnedders> Hixie: should be able to throw mod_cache in front of teh blog, I think
  751. # [19:42] <MikeSmith> cabanier: if/when you have time, please review https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/1239
  752. # [19:42] <MikeSmith> cabanier: which is for https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/851
  753. # [19:42] <Hixie> gsnedders: configuring apache on dreamhost is a pain
  754. # [19:42] <gsnedders> Hixie: gl;hf ;P
  755. # [19:42] <Hixie> :-)
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  765. # [19:52] <MikeSmith> jgraham: please try again on that hook right now if you have time
  766. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> when I went to check it now it was set back to no-JSON and with SSL turned back on
  767. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> which I re-switched it back again
  768. # [19:56] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Checking
  769. # [19:56] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Worked :)
  770. # [19:57] <MikeSmith> sweet
  771. # [19:57] <MikeSmith> so I can now go to sleep feeling like I actually accomplished something useful today
  772. # [19:57] <jgraham> Heh
  773. # [19:57] <jgraham> Sleep well :)
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  881. # [23:47] <IZh> Hixie: Hi.
  882. # [23:48] <IZh> Hixie: My script reported that your URL returned HTTP 504 status for last document.
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  884. # [23:51] <Hixie> 504!
  885. # [23:51] * Hixie tries to remember what 504 is :-)
  886. # [23:51] <Hixie> oh gateway timeout
  887. # [23:51] <Hixie> yeah
  888. # [23:52] <Hixie> server was having issues this morning
  889. # [23:54] <IZh> Should my script handle this by repeating sending?
  890. # [23:54] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.216.47) (Quit: weinig)
  891. # [23:56] <Hixie> nah
  892. # [23:57] <Hixie> i would just ignore any errors you get back
  893. # [23:57] <Hixie> i'll update the spec again soon enough and then it'll regenerate
  894. # Session Close: Thu May 01 00:00:00 2014

The end :)