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  19. # [00:25] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: can you use "internal slots" and [[x]] in http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-font-loading/, instead of "internal attributes" and [x] ?
  20. # [00:25] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: we want to encourage more people to do that kind of thing, but it's harder to argue for when everyone is doing something different.
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  23. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: Absolutely.
  24. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> Though using [[]] is kinda annoying in Bikeshed. Hmm.
  25. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> I think I can write [<!---->[foo]].
  26. # [00:30] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: awesome, thanks! And, uh, wow that sounds hard.
  27. # [00:32] <TabAtkins> It's just that Bikeshed treats [[foo]] as a biblio ref.
  28. # [00:33] <Domenic_> ah tricksy
  29. # [00:33] <TabAtkins> (A behavior inherited from the old CSSWG preprocessor, and shared by Anolis, I think.)
  30. # [00:33] <Domenic_> ah i see, so a behavior that would move peoples' cheese if changed
  31. # [00:34] <Domenic_> The only thing I can think of is inventing something arcane that gets translated to [[x]], e.g. \\x//
  32. # [00:34] <TabAtkins> Yeah, it would break virtually every Bikeshedded spec if changed.
  33. # [00:35] <jgraham> What kind of cheese is this, and — assuming it is nice cheese — could they move it this way?
  34. # [00:35] <TabAtkins> What I might do instead is add a metadata field to let you specify things that aren't biblio refs.
  35. # [00:35] <TabAtkins> For now, though, I'm just adding a comment to break things up.
  36. # [00:35] <Domenic_> We do want to add internal slot declarations to WebIDL of some sort
  37. # [00:35] <TabAtkins> Cool.
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  39. # [00:36] <TabAtkins> Just checked - ReSpec uses that syntax too.
  40. # [00:36] <Domenic_> waaah waaaaah
  41. # [00:37] <TabAtkins> Any chance y'all could come up with a syntax that doesn't directly impinge on every extant spec preprocessor?
  42. # [00:37] <Domenic_> i mean, we could ask ES to change, but seems unlikely...
  43. # [00:37] <Domenic_> or we could just be inconsistent with ES...
  44. # [00:37] <Domenic_> but they're supposed to be the same concept
  45. # [00:37] <TabAtkins> I'm fine with the latter.
  46. # [00:37] <SamB> don't suppose you could ask them not to process the IDL for bibliographic references
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  48. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> SamB: It won't just appear in IDL.
  49. # [00:38] <Domenic_> i'm a bit surprised that it doesn't leave [[x]]s alone if there's no x in the references section.
  50. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> It's scattered throughout the spec, every time you reference the slot.
  51. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: A good preprocessor *tells* you you've made a typo when it can't find "x" in the refs database.
  52. # [00:38] <Domenic_> yeah, that makes sense.
  53. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> And they *generate* the references sections (that's why preprocessor exist)
  54. # [00:38] <Domenic_> oh right i forgot about that feature.
  55. # [00:39] <Domenic_> using the database of well-known references
  56. # [00:39] <TabAtkins> Yup.
  57. # [00:39] <TabAtkins> You people writing specs in GHMarkdown are missing out on a lot. ^_^
  58. # [00:39] <Domenic_> I guess I'd say use {{x}} in source and have preprocessor convert to [[x]]
  59. # [00:39] <Domenic_> heh
  60. # [00:39] * TabAtkins is getting closer to having most of Markdown implemented in Bikeshed.
  61. # [00:39] <SamB> I never quite understood how that part was supposed to work with each thing in its own repository, but then I'm thinking of bibTeX ...
  62. # [00:39] <TabAtkins> SamB: What part?
  63. # [00:40] <SamB> the part where you have a big database
  64. # [00:40] <TabAtkins> You keep a master database of refs that everyone updates.
  65. # [00:40] <SamB> easier with spec tools
  66. # [00:40] <TabAtkins> The biblio dbs are maintained automatically. Bikeshed's linking database is done automatically, though.
  67. # [00:41] <TabAtkins> Once it knows a spec's location, it stays up-to-date.
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  69. # [00:41] <TabAtkins> SamB: I don't understand what you mean.
  70. # [00:41] <Domenic_> so what you're saying is, there's only one place we have to change [[HTML]]'s URL in, and then everything will be better...
  71. # [00:41] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: Yes.
  72. # [00:41] <TabAtkins> ([[HTML]] already points to the proper spec in Bikeshed's DB.)
  73. # [00:42] <Domenic_> nice
  74. # [00:42] <TabAtkins> (Though [[HTML5]] points to the W3C spec.)
  75. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: I can always give you a Bikeshed crash-course if you want. It works fine with the GH workflow - <picture>'s spec is Bikeshedded, and uses a gh-pages as master for displaying.
  76. # [00:46] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: probably a good idea, when it's time for me to get serious about prettifying streams. I'll let you know ^_^
  77. # [00:46] <TabAtkins> kk, but Bikeshed is helpful during initial writing too, as it makes sure you don't typo links and such.
  78. # [00:46] <TabAtkins> Let's you draw railroad diagrams.
  79. # [00:46] <TabAtkins> Other cool things. _^
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  83. # [00:58] <Hixie> [[HTML5]] should be a fatal error :-P
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  97. # [01:54] <TabAtkins> Domenic_: Why are [[Foo]] things called private slots rather than private attributes?
  98. # [01:55] <Domenic_> TabAtkins: attributes is a WebIDL-ism.
  99. # [01:55] <Domenic_> They used to be called internal data properties in ES
  100. # [01:55] <Domenic_> then we thought that was confusing since you can't e.g. getOwnPropertyDescriptor them
  101. # [01:55] <Domenic_> also it was long
  102. # [01:55] <Domenic_> so they became internal slots
  103. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> Okay.
  104. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Anyway, just pushed the change to Font Loading.
  105. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> May take a few minutes to show up.
  106. # [01:57] <Domenic_> yaaaay :) thanks man
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  110. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> Happy to help get terminology confluence.
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  123. # [03:10] <SamB> TabAtkins: does HTML5 emit the appropriate deprecation warnings?
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  125. # [03:11] <SamB> or, yeah, fatal error haha
  126. # [03:11] <TabAtkins> No, I don't do anything fancy with biblio refs.
  127. # [03:12] <TabAtkins> Though I probably should.
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  182. # [07:23] <MikeSmith> cabanier: fyi see my review comments on that addHitRegion test https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomments?review=1239&filter=all
  183. # [07:23] <cabanier> MikeSmith: saw it
  184. # [07:23] <MikeSmith> yeah I wish I hadn't merged that
  185. # [07:23] <MikeSmith> well, I guess it's not a bad test
  186. # [07:24] <MikeSmith> anyway, if he's not keen on updating it, I'll do it myself
  187. # [07:24] <MikeSmith> but regardless the source for it needs to be in the yaml file with the sources for the other tests
  188. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> cabanier: btw thanks for your other canvas tests and merges
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  190. # [07:25] <cabanier> MikeSmith: np. The WebKit people want me to fix their IDL compiler instead of just patching the code so it passes the tests
  191. # [07:26] <MikeSmith> oh geez
  192. # [07:26] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I hope that won't suck up too much time...
  193. # [07:26] <MikeSmith> cabanier: that's a lot of work man
  194. # [07:26] <MikeSmith> well I think it will
  195. # [07:26] <MikeSmith> but I hope it won't :-)
  196. # [07:26] <cabanier> MikeSmith: it's actually not so bad. I already fixed the compiler but I worry that I'm now changing the behavior of dozens of interfaces
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  198. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> oh
  199. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> well it would be nice to have it fixed
  200. # [07:27] <cabanier> MikeSmith: yes
  201. # [07:27] <MikeSmith> if the current behavior of those interfaces is not conformannt, better to break it as early as possible rather than later
  202. # [07:28] <cabanier> MikeSmith: yeah
  203. # [07:28] <MikeSmith> I would think
  204. # [07:28] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I'm finding a lot of issues where the wrong exception is thrown, or not thrown at all
  205. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> cabanier: good that you're finding those, but sad that nobody else has taken time to do it yet so you now get stuck with it
  206. # [07:31] <cabanier> yeah
  207. # [07:31] <cabanier> MikeSmith: I hope to get it in before Safari forks
  208. # [07:32] <cabanier> MikeSmith: otherwise it's an another year before it would update
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  217. # [07:44] <MikeSmith> cabanier: by "before Safari forks" you mean before the branch for the next release?
  218. # [07:45] <cabanier> MikeSmith: yes
  219. # [07:45] <MikeSmith> ok
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  231. # [08:19] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: fwiw i think anolis doesn't do [[foo]] except if you give a flag like --enable-w3c-crazy-substitutions or some such
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  241. # [08:35] <zcorpan> speaking of empty content model, doesn't the spec in fact allow whitespace and comments (and PIs) for "empty"?
  242. # [08:36] <zcorpan> "Inter-element whitespace, comment nodes, and processing instruction nodes must be ignored when establishing whether an element's contents match the element's content model or not"
  243. # [08:36] <SamB> zcorpan: if it's possible to parse them that way, sure ...
  244. # [08:37] <SamB> so not exactly for <img> in HTML syntax
  245. # [08:37] <zcorpan> SamB: what do you mean?
  246. # [08:37] <zcorpan> oh ok
  247. # [08:37] <zcorpan> well you could create the DOM with script and forget about the syntax
  248. # [08:38] <SamB> true
  249. # [08:39] <zcorpan> so a definition of "empty" that reminds the above exception might actually be good to have
  250. # [08:39] <zcorpan> Hixie: ^
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  260. # [09:21] <MikeSmith> who was it that was reminding us other day that it's a bad idea to create new specs that load the precious first bytes of our documents down with yet more stuff? https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jg1RRL3RI969cLwbKBIcoGDsPwqaEdBxafGNYGwiY4/edit
  261. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> do I read correctly that requires each document instance to have
  262. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> ... both a new meta@name element and a new link@rel element
  263. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> with a new content attribute whose value the UA has parse and that's an arbitrarily long list of arbitrarily long selector expressions
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  308. # [10:31] <annevk> https://twitter.com/unthinkingly/status/461974040089853954 :-)
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  312. # [10:32] <annevk> Domenic_: so internal slots are nice, but I think the notation is ugly
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  314. # [10:33] <annevk> Domenic_: e.g. I much prefer how they are presented under http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-document then having all those be [[encoding]], [[contentType]], [[url]]
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  371. # [11:37] <zcorpan> anyone know what happened to hspace/vspace on table in gecko? http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=2984 looks like it's not supported anymore but https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725646 is not FIXED yet
  372. # [11:44] <zcorpan> http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/2b6be040b79a037b7d05c52f555295e5828762cf ...
  373. # [11:44] <zcorpan> oh only quirks mode
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  375. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> I like the aggressive "Standardization plan" in https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jg1RRL3RI969cLwbKBIcoGDsPwqaEdBxafGNYGwiY4/edit#heading=h.tndapzbk8g3p
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  429. # [15:30] <Domenic_> MikeSmith: it was slightlyoff
  430. # [15:31] <annevk> https://twitter.com/PointedEars2/status/462218792576499714 o_O
  431. # [15:32] <darobin> annevk: never argue with trolls/idiots/etc — people might not know the difference
  432. # [15:34] <Ms2ger> They'll pull you down to their level and beat you on experience?
  433. # [15:34] <darobin> damn right
  434. # [15:35] <MikeSmith> heh
  435. # [15:35] <MikeSmith> Domenic_: yeah I know, it was more of rhetorical question :-)
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  437. # [15:35] <Domenic_> Haha OK, just woke up, rhetorical devices are too subtle for me right now...
  438. # [15:37] <MikeSmith> heh
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  440. # [15:38] <Domenic_> Interesting. Do they really think the only part of this that needs standardization is the rel types?
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  444. # [15:42] <MikeSmith> Domenic_: I reckon they know better. I think they just need to add more detail to that section yet
  445. # [15:42] <MikeSmith> or I hope that's the case at least
  446. # [15:42] <Ms2ger> Ah, MikeSmith, the eternal optimist
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  450. # [15:43] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: that's me to a T
  451. # [15:43] <MikeSmith> photo of me being optimistic: http://goo.gl/5uUnK
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  453. # [15:50] <tobie__> darobin: these look like issues with the WebIDL parser rather than syntax issues, am I right?
  454. # [15:50] <tobie__> https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/259
  455. # [15:53] <tobie__> ^ pointedears reminds of comp.lang.javascript. He was already trolling back then.
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  457. # [15:56] <jgraham> tobie__: On an entirely different topic, I think to get the documentation for testharness and so on onto testthewebforward.org we will need to move away from using GitHub-Pages directly (but can still use Jekyll). This is because GHP doesn't support any kind of useful include mechanism. What we want is basically http://octopress.org/docs/plugins/render-partial/
  458. # [15:57] <jgraham> So we could do something like {% render_partial ../_resources/testharness.js/docs/api.md %}
  459. # [15:58] <tobie__> oh...
  460. # [15:58] <tobie__> includes don't let you do that/
  461. # [15:58] <tobie__> ?
  462. # [15:58] <tobie__> (I guess they're scoped to the include folder)
  463. # [15:59] <jgraham> Yeah, they seem to be scoped
  464. # [15:59] <tobie__> (sounds like a wise thing to do)
  465. # [15:59] <tobie__> yeah works for me.
  466. # [15:59] <tobie__> Can we still get auto-deploy?
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  468. # [16:01] <jgraham> I'm not sure. I think you will have to build locally, push, and it will deploy
  469. # [16:01] <jgraham> aiui Domenic_ uses this setup
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  471. # [16:01] <tobie__> mmm.
  472. # [16:02] <tobie__> that sucks.
  473. # [16:02] <darobin> tobie__: yes, and these are all easy fixes too
  474. # [16:02] <darobin> feel free to file
  475. # [16:02] <tobie__> darobin: ok
  476. # [16:02] <tobie__> happy to look over it if you have pointers.
  477. # [16:02] <tobie__> it's a blocker for me atm
  478. # [16:04] <tobie__> darobin: filed https://github.com/darobin/webidl2.js/issues/5
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  480. # [16:05] <tobie__> jgraham: concerned about the lack of auto-deploy feature.
  481. # [16:05] <tobie__> jgraham: could we have a script or something to help?
  482. # [16:05] <tobie__> if not, please check with rhauck before you go ahead.
  483. # [16:06] <jgraham> tobie__: So I don't know exactly what the situation is, I haven't used either GitHub-Pages or Octopress before
  484. # [16:06] <tobie__> k
  485. # [16:06] <jgraham> But of course I don't plan to change anything without agreement that it's an improvement
  486. # [16:06] <tobie__> you can't have a special build of jekyll on gh-pages
  487. # [16:07] <tobie__> so if you want to add stuff, you;re effectively loosing the auto-deploy feature (you have to build locally and push the static files only)
  488. # [16:07] <jgraham> http://octopress.org/docs/deploying/github/
  489. # [16:08] <tobie__> that said, you can build a script that does it for you (listens to changes on master, builds, and pushes to gh-pages)
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  491. # [16:08] <tobie__> jgraham: right
  492. # [16:08] * tobie__ running out. back later.
  493. # [16:09] <jgraham> Yeah, I think it's worth fixing the deploy issue to get the docs in sync with upstream
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  496. # [16:23] <annevk> darobin: "Wants to keep the web in the Dark Ages" makes for a cool Twitter bio
  497. # [16:24] <darobin> annevk: heck yay! I'd totally go for it man
  498. # [16:24] <darobin> I'm almost jealous there
  499. # [16:25] <Ms2ger> Let's just drop that "almost"
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  501. # [16:26] <darobin> hahaha
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  513. # [16:40] <MikeSmith> "Wants to bomb the Web back into the Stone Age" would be even better
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  515. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> He's not American
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  525. # [16:56] <Domenic_> jgraham: tobie__: you could also use travis CI to run the deploy
  526. # [16:56] <Domenic_> use it as a post-commit hook to run the appropriate script
  527. # [16:57] <Domenic_> use the encrypted credentials feature to include necessary keys for pushing to gh-pages
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  631. # [20:25] <Hixie> foolip: i'm surprised that browsers append attributes to elements as they're parsing the attributes, since that means that they are likely creating redundant elements.
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  633. # [20:26] <Hixie> foolip: for example, if you're parsing <isindex foo=bar>, then you need to pass a token with {start tag, name:isindex, attirubtes: foo=bar} to the tree construction, which then doesn't create an "isindex" element
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  662. # [21:53] <Hixie> does canPlayType() return a: state, kind, mode, reason, rule, or type
  663. # [21:54] <Hixie> maybe it's a new thing, a result
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  677. # [22:21] <Domenic_> can people actually use canPlayType()? Doesn't it return things like "maybe"?
  678. # [22:23] <Domenic_> vine.co uses mediaelement.js which uses it like so: https://github.com/johndyer/mediaelement/blob/master/src/js/me-featuredetection.js#L37-L44
  679. # [22:23] <zewt> an api that returns "maybe" and "probably" would have to be in the running for least usable api ever
  680. # [22:24] <jgraham> Well it's honest
  681. # [22:24] <zewt> (doesn't look like a very realistic api input, either--video files often have alternative data formats, so a list of codecs used by the file doesn't tell you much)
  682. # [22:24] <zewt> (no doubt that's a partial cause of the silly results...)
  683. # [22:25] <jgraham> The point is that the browser generally doesn't know if the media framework will actually be able to play the video without trying to play it
  684. # [22:25] <zewt> (i assume the main cause is that you also need to know things like the encoding profile, not just the codec)
  685. # [22:26] <zewt> my parenthetical quota has been exceeded
  686. # [22:26] <Domenic_> mediaelement's optional "source chooser" plugin uses it like so: https://github.com/johndyer/mediaelement/blob/666b6adaea247a5f7dd1b788190a100daa4f26a3/src/js/mep-feature-sourcechooser.js#L53-L55
  687. # [22:26] <Domenic_> vine.co doesn't use that
  688. # [22:27] <zewt> yeah the only meaningful result is the "definitely can't" one i guess
  689. # [22:27] * jgraham marks zewt down as "not a lisp programmer"
  690. # [22:27] <Hixie> there are far more useless APIs in the web platform than canPlayType
  691. # [22:28] <zewt> it's a competitive field
  692. # [22:28] <Hixie> in other news, i just typed "</dfn>" when trying to write "</span>"
  693. # [22:28] <Hixie> blimey
  694. # [22:28] <Domenic_> I remember a long time ago reading an interview with Hixie where he was talking about all the vestigial things. I think the useless pushState argument was near the top of his list? Anyway it was refreshing honesty for someone new to all this.
  695. # [22:29] <Domenic_> ("long time" ~ "a year"?)
  696. # [22:29] <zewt> the title argument?
  697. # [22:29] <zewt> (if I want to set the title too, I'll ... just set the title)
  698. # [22:30] <Domenic_> "... which leads to APIs that make no sense, like pushState(), which has a required argument that is ignored."
  699. # [22:30] <Domenic_> http://html5doctor.com/interview-with-ian-hickson-html-editor/
  700. # [22:31] <zewt> none of the arguments are ignored, right?
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  702. # [22:33] <Domenic_> Firefox ignores title
  703. # [22:33] <Domenic_> Spec says: "Note: The title is purely advisory. User agents might use the title in the user interface."
  704. # [22:33] <Hixie> the title argument is ignored by everyone
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  706. # [22:34] <Hixie> it's the saddest thing
  707. # [22:34] <Domenic_> Do you think the spec should be more explicit about that?
  708. # [22:34] <Domenic_> I guess the argument is they could put it in some session history UI
  709. # [22:35] <Domenic_> But they definitely shouldn't change document.title
  710. # [22:38] <Hixie> they should put it in some session history UI
  711. # [22:38] <zewt> if it was guaranteed to be ignored, i could say pushState(null, null, url) instead of pushState(null, document.title, url) ... 95% of the time the URL is all I want to change anyway
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  714. # [22:40] <zewt> that said, i'm sure i've used the title argument expecting it to change the title at some point, and if that works in some browsers and is ignored in others, that's obviously bad
  715. # [22:41] <Domenic_> i think it should be a normative requirement that it doesn't change the same things document.title changes
  716. # [22:41] <Domenic_> to avoid your overcaution
  717. # [22:42] <zewt> sorry, my what? :)
  718. # [22:43] <Ms2ger> Your caution
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  735. # [23:17] <tobie__> Domenic_: smart suggestion re relying on Travis CI
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