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  3. # [00:01] <zewt> (i certainly don't know what it is, i just assumed "something something markup")
  4. # [00:02] <zewt> (gfm are my initials, but that seemed improbable)
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  10. # [00:22] <gsnedders> Hixie: no, we don't support template. plan was just to put stuff as the children of the template itself
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  21. # [00:52] <Hixie> gsnedders: k. i guess i'll do the same in my library.
  22. # [00:54] <SamB> jgraham: I guess you don't like patched versions of org-mode either ;-P
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  139. # [09:30] <AxaliaN> Hi all
  140. # [09:30] <AxaliaN> any autoconfirmed member active?
  141. # [09:32] <AxaliaN> annevk?
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  147. # [09:40] <AxaliaN> zcorpan is a confirmed member, right?
  148. # [09:41] <zcorpan> member of what?
  149. # [09:41] <AxaliaN> thwe wiki :P
  150. # [09:41] <AxaliaN> the*
  151. # [09:41] <zcorpan> no idea :-)
  152. # [09:41] <AxaliaN> :P
  153. # [09:41] <AxaliaN> The wiki says it to be so!
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  156. # [09:42] <zcorpan> then i guess so. how can i hlep?
  157. # [09:42] <AxaliaN> Anyhoo; there's a meta extension that needs to be added to the wiki
  158. # [09:43] <AxaliaN> hwo does one go about doing that?
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  160. # [09:43] <AxaliaN> how*
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  163. # [09:44] * zcorpan looks at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/WHATWG_Wiki:How_to_create_a_user_account
  164. # [09:44] <AxaliaN> Ah, I just saw you needed to come on IRC and ask :P
  165. # [09:45] <zcorpan> AxaliaN: username? email? (pm if you like)
  166. # [09:45] <AxaliaN> Problem 1, I am not an autoconfirmed member :P
  167. # [09:45] <AxaliaN> ok
  168. # [09:49] <zcorpan> ok created
  169. # [09:49] <AxaliaN> Awesome, thanks :)
  170. # [09:49] <zcorpan> np
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  187. # [11:25] <annevk> zcorpan: does Chrome workers deal with data URLs?
  188. # [11:25] <annevk> s/does/do/
  189. # [11:26] <zcorpan> seems not http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3046
  190. # [11:26] <zcorpan> i think blob works though
  191. # [11:27] <zcorpan> at least for dedicated, dunno about shared
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  194. # [11:38] <annevk> blob is fine as they have an origin
  195. # [11:39] <zcorpan> do you want to drop data url for workers?
  196. # [11:41] <annevk> yes
  197. # [11:41] <annevk> zcorpan: see WHATWG list
  198. # [11:42] <annevk> zcorpan: we want to make data URLs an opt-in
  199. # [11:44] <zcorpan> ok cool, would love to get interop on data urls :-)
  200. # [11:44] <annevk> I think we have a plan that works now
  201. # [11:44] <zcorpan> i think workers support data urls because blob didn't exist back then
  202. # [11:46] <annevk> well back then we didn't have a plan for data URLs that everyone agreed upon
  203. # [11:46] <annevk> I wish Google pushed their concerns with regards to them a bit harder at the time
  204. # [11:46] <annevk> oh well
  205. # [11:46] <zcorpan> do everyone agree on a plan now?
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  207. # [11:47] <annevk> zcorpan: we're aligning with Chrome on <iframe> and hopefully workers
  208. # [11:48] <annevk> zcorpan: I guess I'm hopeful that's the case, haven't actually seen it confirmed
  209. # [11:48] <zcorpan> annevk: what about <track>?
  210. # [11:49] <annevk> zcorpan: seems like that can work as there are no side effects, right?
  211. # [11:49] <zcorpan> annevk: webvtt seems safe enough, but i'm not confident we can keep it to webvtt-only :-(
  212. # [11:50] <annevk> bah
  213. # [11:50] <zcorpan> there are some tests that use data: for <track> but that's easy to fix
  214. # [11:51] <annevk> zcorpan: yeah dunno, it's safe for XHR and <img>
  215. # [11:51] <annevk> zcorpan: I would say it should be safe for <track>
  216. # [11:51] <annevk> zcorpan: otherwise we might have some issues with that going forward
  217. # [11:51] <annevk> zcorpan: whether data URLs are allowed or not
  218. # [11:54] <zcorpan> i think chrome doesn't allow data: for <track> but i don't know if that's just a result of the default policy or if it's deliberate
  219. # [11:55] <annevk> I'm gonna add a flag to Fetch tomorrow or so and also change the text around data URLs
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  222. # [11:58] <tobie> annevk: was wondering whether you were aware of https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=362214 and https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/Home/chromium-security/security-faq?pli=1#TOC-Which-origins-are-secure
  223. # [11:58] <tobie> annevk: and whether that's something you were considering to add to Url.
  224. # [11:59] <tobie> annevk: given there seems to be interest to implement something similar at Mozilla.
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  228. # [12:02] <annevk> tobie: I have some vague plans on taking over the remaining bits of the Web Origin RFC and stick 'm in some existing spec
  229. # [12:02] <tobie> I see.
  230. # [12:02] <annevk> tobie: Origin header is already obsoleted by Fetch, URL could define some of the origin serialization algorithms
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  236. # [12:05] <tobie> makes sense.
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  241. # [12:09] <annevk> tobie: oh btw, https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/mixedcontent/ will define the secure origin thing most likely
  242. # [12:09] <annevk> tobie: Mike West and I have discussed on how to add hooks to Fetch for that and such
  243. # [12:10] <annevk> tobie: so that e.g. https to http will return a network error, and other such goodies
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  245. # [12:10] <tobie> I'll have a look at that. Thanks for the pointer.
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  248. # [12:33] <annevk> zcorpan: where does <object> pay attention to response's status?
  249. # [12:33] <annevk> zcorpan: are you confused with Content-Type?
  250. # [12:34] <annevk> zcorpan: although <img> pays attention to that, so maybe I'm missing something
  251. # [12:34] <zcorpan> annevk: the spec's default is to pay attention to it (since http requires it)
  252. # [12:34] <zcorpan> annevk: <img> opts out
  253. # [12:34] <annevk> "HTTP requires it"? What does that even mean?
  254. # [12:34] <zcorpan> it's possible that all other features but <object> should be like <img>, i don't know
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  256. # [12:36] <annevk> E.g. currently 401 requires an authentication dialog for features that opt-in (which due to legacy is all of them, except for a couple new ones)
  257. # [12:37] <annevk> But I don't think we've established a list of codes that a response has to treat as if it received a network error unless it opts in/out of that
  258. # [12:37] <annevk> s/codes/statuses/
  259. # [12:38] <zcorpan> i dunno. i mean the spec in general treats 404 like network error rather than like 200 OK
  260. # [12:38] <zcorpan> lunch
  261. # [12:43] <annevk> zcorpan: but is that actually true in implementations?
  262. # [12:43] <annevk> zcorpan: I seriously doubt it
  263. # [12:48] <caitp> it doesn't seem to be true in chromium
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  270. # [13:13] <zcorpan> caitp: what did you test?
  271. # [13:14] <beverloo_> annevk, image is public domain/cc0, go for it :-) (can't find my bugzilla details)
  272. # [13:17] <caitp> zcorpan: if you try to load a document which results in a network error, you won't actually have the document opene, instead the browser will render some data:text/html,... to tell you about the network error
  273. # [13:17] <caitp> which is not true of 404
  274. # [13:18] <zcorpan> caitp: so you tested navigating top-level browsing context?
  275. # [13:19] <caitp> yes
  276. # [13:19] <zcorpan> ok, well that's not so interesting
  277. # [13:20] <annevk> beverloo_: cool
  278. # [13:20] <zcorpan> more interesting is what does <embed src> do, what does <link rel=stylesheet href> do, what does <video src> do, what does <script src> do, etc
  279. # [13:20] <caitp> i'm interested in an example where a 404 would be treated as a network error, with the exception of weird behaviour of webviews on certain mobile platforms
  280. # [13:20] <caitp> or file:// scheme requests
  281. # [13:21] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3047
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  283. # [13:25] <caitp> > If the load failed (e.g. there was an HTTP 404 error, there was a DNS error), fire a simple event named error at the element, then jump to the step below labeled fallback.
  284. # [13:25] <caitp> so that part of the spec is saying treat 404 as the same as a particular network error
  285. # [13:25] <caitp> but that's not "http"
  286. # [13:26] <caitp> it's a particular behaviour of a particular html tag
  287. # [13:28] <annevk> zcorpan: interesting
  288. # [13:29] <zcorpan> caitp: yeah
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  291. # [13:31] <zcorpan> seems <embed> is like <img> per spec
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  293. # [13:32] <annevk> zcorpan: it would be interesting to know what status codes that was triggered with
  294. # [13:32] <caitp> in the cases of these elements it might make sense, because you probably don't want to render some domain's particular fancy 404 response
  295. # [13:33] <caitp> but it's not the same as saying "in http, 404 is a network error"
  296. # [13:33] <caitp> that's the point I'm making, that's all :>
  297. # [13:34] <zcorpan> i said "in html" not "in http" :-P
  298. # [13:34] <caitp> i could have sworn you said in http
  299. # [13:34] <zcorpan> i said "the spec" but i was referring to the html spec, not the http spec
  300. # [13:34] <caitp> <zcorpan> annevk: the spec's default is to pay attention to it (since http requires it) ... ] <annevk> "HTTP requires it"? What does that even mean?
  301. # [13:35] <caitp> it is very early in the morning here, though
  302. # [13:35] <caitp> no coffee yet =)
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  304. # [13:38] <caitp> <zcorpan> i dunno. i mean the spec in general treats 404 like network error rather than like 200 OK
  305. # [13:38] <caitp> ok I see what you're saying
  306. # [13:38] <caitp> conflated that with the earlier mention of "http requires it"
  307. # [13:41] <annevk> Hmm, I find HTML very vague on this subject. Somewhat clear for 404, but there's a ton of other response codes
  308. # [13:44] <caitp> it would probably apply to all of the non-200s (with the exception of things like 302)
  309. # [13:44] <caitp> and probably not 204 either
  310. # [13:45] <annevk> At that point 3xx are already handled
  311. # [13:45] <annevk> Maybe not 304, that depends a bit
  312. # [13:45] <annevk> But yes, I think that's the approach CORS takes.
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  314. # [13:46] <annevk> http://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#cors-preflight-fetch This does not even consider 304
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  316. # [13:46] <annevk> I guess we should consider that flattened at that point since it's an HTTP cache lookup
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  359. # [16:09] <darobin> does anyone implement document.origin?
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  362. # [16:17] <annevk> dunno
  363. # [16:18] <annevk> they should
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  365. # [16:20] <darobin> annevk: apparently, no one at this point
  366. # [16:21] <darobin> though I'll admit I haven't checked Servo
  367. # [16:21] <annevk> file bugs
  368. # [16:21] <annevk> or create a test
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  380. # [16:41] <Ms2ger> darobin, not Servo either, patch welcome ;)
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  519. # [21:51] <zewt> fascinating bug title: "Specify the Event Loop integration for various non-deprecated events"
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  552. # [23:13] <IZh> The bug needs to be Hixied. ;-)
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  556. # [23:15] <caitp> that could be interpreted in so many different ways, hmm
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  558. # [23:16] <IZh> Fixed :-)
  559. # [23:17] <caitp> oscar wilde would have a field day
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