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  61. # [02:03] <MikeSmith> Hixie: bugwards compatibility ftw man
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  167. # [08:24] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: ah the correct URL is http://dev.opera.com/blog/showmodaldialog/, but apparently we didn’t have a redirect set up. fixed
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  223. # [11:13] <jgraham> Hixie: Oh, I forgot to say "no"
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  233. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, I dunno what the advantage is of closing old wpt PRs
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  236. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I don't know what the advantage is to keeping around old long-stale PRs that nobody's planning to actually ever review or take any more action on.
  237. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> they're just noise, accumulating
  238. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> I'm planning to deal with them at some point
  239. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> that's fine then, for those. I agree there's not point in closing those
  240. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> I'd just like to be able to identify the ones that nobody is actually planning to ever do anything more about
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  248. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: thanks for closing that WebGL one, anyway
  249. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> I thought I'd commented on it before
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  255. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: not as far as I can see
  256. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  257. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Must've been a dream
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  259. # [12:26] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: you dream big, man
  260. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Dammit
  261. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Oh, there it is
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  266. # [13:00] <jgraham> Hmm, I guess I need to read my GH mail
  267. # [13:00] <jgraham> I'm not generally a fan of dropping PRs unless we did enough work to figure out that the PR has no value
  268. # [13:00] <jgraham> If you did that work, I'm all in favour of dropping them
  269. # [13:04] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I don't know enough about galimatias to have an informed opition either way
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  271. # [13:05] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: any reason not to update ICU4J?
  272. # [13:07] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: No reason except it'd need at least minimal testing. But I could do it and run it through the TestRunner + test suite and if that doesn't cause any exceptions or other code issues then I think we're good to go and I can push it
  273. # [13:07] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so gimme a few minutes to try that now, and I'll ping you
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  276. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> jgraham: a number of those PRs I commented on today are more than a year old, with zero review. If nobody's reviewed than in a year than I'd say nobody sees enough value in having them to even take time to review them.
  277. # [13:10] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I think that's a totally invalid inference
  278. # [13:11] <jgraham> We have missed various important things before simply because there aren't enough people spending time doing review
  279. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> jgraham: well that's why I'm taking time to comment on them
  280. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I've not closed any myself
  281. # [13:12] <odinho> I think the pinging is nice.
  282. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I'm commenting to basically say, we need to take a look at this
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  284. # [13:13] <odinho> But it should be done at a low enough frequency that it doesn't feel like too big a task to look through.
  285. # [13:13] <odinho> Like last time, I was pinged on a million things, and did nothing. This time only one PR, so I could take a look and close it.
  286. # [13:13] <MikeSmith> without doing some kind of gardening we just end up with a tail of stale PRs just growing without any bound
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  288. # [13:14] <MikeSmith> odinho: well last time I did it was the first time and then I basically went through every open issue that was more than a couple months old
  289. # [13:14] <MikeSmith> going forward if we do it more regularly it'll be a lot less noisy
  290. # [13:15] <MikeSmith> anyway, I reckon it'd be good to be doing it once a month or so
  291. # [13:15] <MikeSmith> gardening I mean (for lack of a better word)
  292. # [13:17] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Oh, OK, that seems reasonable
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  295. # [13:22] <MikeSmith> jgraham: that WG's chair is kind of a hardass so you're probably risking an official reprimand
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  309. # [14:07] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: OK I updated to ICU4J 53.1 (the latest stable) and tested it from a fresh checkout and it builds and runs, and runs the test suite without any crashes in the test harness or unexpected test failures
  310. # [14:07] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so you could pull and build and deploy from that
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  314. # [14:29] <SimonSapin> jgraham: how do remote devtools/debugging protocols relate to WebDriver?
  315. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> Not, I think
  316. # [14:30] <SimonSapin> out of scope?
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  318. # [14:37] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Yeah, unrelated more or less
  319. # [14:38] <jgraham> Sometimes the remote debug protocol is used to implement webdriver, but that's an implementation detail
  320. # [14:40] <SimonSapin> Does http://remotedebug.org/ sounds worth pursuing? It was mentioned on the Servo list
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  322. # [14:41] <jgraham> I think it sounds like a bad idea. I think that devtools is moving too fast and support is too vendor-specific to standardise
  323. # [14:41] <jgraham> I think I have heard somewhere that particular spec basically takes all the design mistakes of all the current protocols and standardises the union of them
  324. # [14:42] <jgraham> But I haven't actually looked at it myself
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  326. # [14:43] <jgraham> (there might be something really useless that you could standardise for devtools like a wire protocol where all the actual features would basically be optional)
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  328. # [14:44] <jgraham> I sort of expect that the pressure here is coming from webdevs who want to run their favourite devtools against some other browser without considering the fact that each feature also needs backend work
  329. # [14:45] <jgraham> At the moment we can break back-compat with impunity which allows adding new features more easilly (I assume)
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  333. # [14:59] * MikeSmith I mean registration for the TPAC f2f meeting of the Browser Testing WG in Santa Clara in October/November
  334. # [15:07] <wilhelm> jgraham: How rude! You'll definitely be reprimanded.
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  336. # [15:11] <gsnedders> Hixie: I have absolutely no idea how Anolis numbers stuff. It's been too long since I looked at it!
  337. # [15:11] <wilhelm> SimonSapin: It's in our charter to work on if we want to. But we have no spec and no editor. (c:
  338. # [15:12] <gsnedders> ohai, London.
  339. # [15:12] <darobin> gsnedders: IIRC it generates IDs whenever it needs to, so if it looks at a certain element type first then it will number that, then the others (and not in document order)
  340. # [15:12] <gsnedders> darobin: this is what I would guess
  341. # [15:12] <gsnedders> darobin: and yes, it definitely only generates ids when it needs to
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  431. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> fyi MIT's having some kind of network problem, so you'll find most w3c services inaccessible right now probably
  432. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> including bugzilla
  433. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> Hixie: ↑
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  455. # [19:17] <Hixie> MikeSmith: luckily i'm not really looking at bugzilla these days
  456. # [19:17] <Hixie> nearly got my anolis replacement done though
  457. # [19:18] <Hixie> (just the replacement)
  458. # [19:18] <Hixie> (not the new features)
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  479. # [20:17] <cryptic> anyone know of any good data visualization channels?
  480. # [20:23] * SamB imagines a cable channel meeting that description
  481. # [20:24] <SamB> cryptic: what sort of data?
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  485. # [20:28] <cryptic> SamB: I have temperature data from various sensors on many floors of an office building
  486. # [20:28] <cryptic> temps are time-series data
  487. # [20:28] <cryptic> I'm plotting it against occupancy and time
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  489. # [20:29] <cryptic> It's a typical 4d projection
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  491. # [20:31] <SamB> I dunno, maybe #latex could send you somewhere good?
  492. # [20:31] <cryptic> an isometric projection of stacked area charts with color gradients should work
  493. # [20:33] <cryptic> #d3.js might be better
  494. # [20:33] <cryptic> didn't even know it existed
  495. # [20:33] <SamB> oh, you want it on the web?
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  552. # [22:27] <jgraham> Hixie: So the webdriver people were discussing having something in the "Navigate" algorithm that give the UA the ability to opt out of performing a navigation even if it's a supported scheme (e.g. refusing to load file:// for whatever reason). Is that already somewhere in the spec that I missed, or does it sound sensible?
  553. # [22:27] <Hixie> seems likely to already be there, let me check
  554. # [22:28] <Hixie> step 10 is pretty open-ended
  555. # [22:29] <Hixie> assuming you're ok with still supporting fragment navigation
  556. # [22:30] <jgraham> Yeah, i think that would do it
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