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  26. # [01:10] <Hixie> hm, there shouldn't be any w-nodev attributes, i thought i filtered those out
  27. # [01:10] <Hixie> i did forget to filter out the subdfn ones though...
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  329. # [20:00] <zcorpan> Hixie: pong
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  332. # [20:28] <Krinkle> The accessKeyLabel specification does not explicitly state that the node needs to be attached in the document root for the property to resolve.
  333. # [20:28] <Krinkle> It seems in Firefox it remains an empty string until attached.
  334. # [20:28] <Krinkle> http://jsfiddle.net/R3fNY/
  335. # [20:28] <Krinkle> Does that seem sensible? I'd like to have it changed.
  336. # [20:28] <Krinkle> So that e.g. a library using this doesn't have to special-case anything that uses this to after insertion of the widget.
  337. # [20:28] <Krinkle> Wikipedia software embeds this (when available) in the title attribute like "caption [ctrl-e]"
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  339. # [20:29] <Krinkle> We're hoping to phase out the ugly logic that currently infers the keyboard shortcut for accesskeys on all browsers using essentially UA sniffing.
  340. # [20:32] <Krinkle> Down stream : https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67946 ; Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583533
  341. # [20:32] <Krinkle> I can file a proper bug but would be nice to know whether It'll be backed up by whatwg.
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  343. # [20:36] <Ms2ger> CC me on the Mozilla bug, please. Ms2ger@gmail.com
  344. # [20:37] <Hixie> Krinkle: looking...
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  346. # [20:39] <Hixie> Krinkle: yeah, it does indeed appear that accesskey="" is defined to be assigned regardless of the element being in the doc
  347. # [20:39] <Hixie> Krinkle: i could go either way on this, fwiw, if the browsers disagree
  348. # [20:39] <Krinkle> Firefox is the first one to have implemented it
  349. # [20:39] <Krinkle> I've been waiting for WebKit for years
  350. # [20:39] <Krinkle> I filed a Chromium ticket today
  351. # [20:40] <Krinkle> I'm checking Aurora just in case, and will file a mozilla bug after with you two on CC?
  352. # [20:44] <Krinkle> Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1037990
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  355. # [20:47] <Hixie> Krinkle: k
  356. # [20:47] <Hixie> Krinkle: keep me posted, especially if the browser vendors have a reason for not wanting to pre-assign the access keys before the element is in the document
  357. # [20:47] <Krinkle> Yeah
  358. # [20:48] <Krinkle> Seems to be going really slow though.
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  360. # [20:49] <Krinkle> I mean, Wikipedia editors use accesskeys so much and while you tend to know them once you're used to them, I really want to get rid of this code
  361. # [20:49] <Krinkle> https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/bc725806ac301baa92b7ff61d958be577e514a0b/resources/src/jquery/jquery.accessKeyLabel.js#L27-L74
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  387. # [22:33] <SimonSapin_> When a test https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests does not seem to match the spec, should I file a bug on that repo or on the spec? (The bug could be in the spec as well as in the test)
  388. # [22:33] <SimonSapin_> jgraham: ^
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  392. # [22:38] <caitp> depends
  393. # [22:38] <caitp> sometimes the test is wrong, sometimes the spec isn't clear, sometimes both
  394. # [22:38] <caitp> probably quite often both
  395. # [22:42] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: I'd file a bug on the test first
  396. # [22:42] <gsnedders> and see if anyone claims the test is right :P
  397. # [22:44] <SimonSapin> There are test for IPv4 normalization (from octal or hex, with less than four pieces) but the spec does not mention that. https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/1104
  398. # [22:44] <SimonSapin> … in URL parsing
  399. # [22:50] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Ask zcorpan I guess
  400. # [22:50] <jgraham> But file a bug on the test
  401. # [22:51] <SimonSapin> jgraham: that’s on https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/ , right?
  402. # [22:55] <caitp> from what I've seen, a lot of the tests (for older specs in particular) seem to have either been ported directly from browser tests, or have been heavily influenced by a particular browser's implementation, and don't necessarily assert anything specified anywhere normative
  403. # [22:57] <caitp> maybe "a lot" is too strong, but a few
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  409. # [23:10] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Yeah
  410. # [23:10] <jgraham> caitp: Examples?
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  412. # [23:12] <SimonSapin> jgraham: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/771/files comes from webkit
  413. # [23:12] <SimonSapin> and tests behavior that’s not in the spec
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  417. # [23:21] <caitp> jgraham, some of the xhr tests, I raised an issue about one of them which I'm not sure has been resolved yet
  418. # [23:22] <caitp> basically asserting something which isn't said anywhere in the IETF or WHATWG, far as I can tell
  419. # [23:23] <caitp> i'm sure there are other examples, but i've only spent any time poking through the XHR tests so far
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  422. # [23:33] <jgraham> Well you mainly need to talk to hallvors about that
  423. # [23:34] <jgraham> But actually XHR has an unusually large number of tests that were written especially for the testsuite
  424. # [23:36] <caitp> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/980 is interesting, because Chromium (along with webkit/safari and IE) will send a content-length of 0 for HEAD requests, for a reason which is explained in a comment in chrome's source, so I think Firefox is the only mainstream browser that actually passes that test
  425. # [23:37] <caitp> but none of the HTTP rfcs or anything from the XHR spec say anything about this whatsoever, I spent a good while looking =P
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  427. # [23:37] <caitp> and, it's only the only such case, there are a few others I ran into a while ago
  428. # [23:38] <caitp> so from my perspective it seems like someone either copy/pasted a test from gecko, or was just looking at the gecko implementation and writing tests based on that, rather than based on the spec itself
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  431. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: yeah I think all those PR #771 tests came from webkit. I guess I wrongly assumed they were actually testing requirements in a spec.
  432. # [23:49] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: Santiago Mola uses them as part of the test suite for galimatias, so I assume galimatias pass those tests. But I don't know whether that's because he implemented something according a particular spec, or whether he implemented something in order to pass those tests.
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