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  9. # [00:04] <SamB> ... hmm, is it possible to scale an image to fit in a given box, keeping the aspect ratio, without knowing the dimensions of the image?
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  17. # [00:12] <Hixie> SamB: from JS, or in general?
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  19. # [00:12] <Hixie> or in CSS?
  20. # [00:12] <SamB> CSS
  21. # [00:12] <Hixie> yeah, there's some property for that
  22. # [00:13] <Hixie> background-cover or something
  23. # [00:13] <SamB> with JS, you could of course cheat and wait for the image to load
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  26. # [00:14] <SamB> well, HTML + CSS; it's not an issue if it needs an extra box inside the main box
  27. # [00:15] <SamB> Hixie: background-size comes up when I search for that, and looks relevant
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  31. # [00:19] <SamB> Hixie: hmm, looks like that has values "cover", which will avoid any blank parts at the expense of chopping off other bits, and "contain", which avoids cutting anything off at the expense of having blank spaces?
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  51. # [01:04] <Hixie> SamB: sounds about right
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  61. # [01:32] <Hixie> zcorpan: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25555
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  94. # [02:28] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thanks for the heads-up about https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25572 (Don't remove script elements when checking noscript)
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  98. # [02:29] <MikeSmith> Hixie: as far as providing a way to catch certain specific errors and encourage users to comment on the relevant bug, yeah, it's doable
  99. # [02:30] <MikeSmith> in the case of the specific nested footer bug, I can imagine the way we'd handle it is just in the JS code rather than in the in server-side valiator code
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  101. # [02:32] <MikeSmith> just do a match for the error message and append an additional sentence with a hyperlink to the bug or wherever
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  191. # [07:13] <TabAtkins> SamB: background-size has "cover" and "contain", if you want backgrounds. object-fit has the same keywords, for replaced elements (support is spotty, though)
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  193. # [07:14] <TabAtkins> Scaling to fit *in* a box would be "contain".
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  195. # [07:30] <Hixie> MikeSmith: qv also https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25549
  196. # [07:31] <Hixie> MikeSmith: also fyi https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25532, though that's purely editorial
  197. # [07:31] <Hixie> really hope to regen soon, hopefully tomorrow
  198. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thanks looking now
  199. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yup actually already saw those
  200. # [07:34] <MikeSmith> I really do read all my bugmail
  201. # [07:34] <MikeSmith> but thanks for the heads-up about them
  202. # [07:35] <Hixie> np
  203. # [07:35] <Hixie> i'm just mentioning them since the diffs won't be specific about them
  204. # [07:41] <Hixie> MikeSmith: i would be very interested in the feedback on nested <footer>. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12990
  205. # [07:44] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I'd have no strong feeling to just allowing nested footer. It seems like something people are just going to end up doing regardless, and either just ignorning the validator errors, or replacing it with <div class=footer> or something to get around the errors
  206. # [07:45] <MikeSmith> Hixie: but I'd be glad to add sentence to the current nested-footer error
  207. # [07:45] <MikeSmith> with a link to the bug
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  209. # [07:47] <Hixie> i'm mostly curious about whether the people doing it are doing it on purpose or not. i mean, there's lots of things that are borderline-arguably-ok, but where most people who do it will in fact have done it by mistake
  210. # [07:50] <MikeSmith> Hixie: ah yeah, ok, I see your point
  211. # [07:50] <MikeSmith> Hixie: so, what should the added text in the error message say?
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  214. # [07:52] <Hixie> MikeSmith: i dunno, something like "Do you have opinions on whether this error message is useful? _Please comment on this bug_."
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  284. # [11:38] <annevk> Is it "resize to user-agent-defined dimensions" or "user agent-defined dimensions"?
  285. # [11:41] <jgraham> Don't forget "user agent defined dimensions", "user-agent defined dimensions", "user agent defined-dimensions" or "user agent-defined-dimensions" :p
  286. # [11:42] <jgraham> (the first and third look the most sensible to me)
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  289. # [11:44] <annevk> foolip: so I think my main problem is that I don't know how to define it sanely
  290. # [11:44] <annevk> foolip: once you return from requestFullscreen() and the need arises to resize, all the things could have happened
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  292. # [11:45] <annevk> foolip: and since it's asynchronous there's no guarantees unless you have something like a storage mutex indeed
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  337. # [12:53] <hsivonen> annevk: possibly of interest: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1012431 (percent-escaping host name in URL)
  338. # [12:53] <annevk> hsivonen: there's an open bug somewhere
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  342. # [12:59] <hsivonen> annevk: not sure
  343. # [12:59] <hsivonen> annevk: also not sure who should be considered to be in error
  344. # [12:59] <annevk> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/fragment-links.js changed and now html.py from whatwg/xref fails
  345. # [12:59] <annevk> hsivonen: per the URL Standard we should first remove percent encoding and then run the thing through IDNA for host names
  346. # [13:00] <annevk> hsivonen: http://url.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-host-parser
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  348. # [13:02] <annevk> I can only find https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956463 but that's a duplicate for sure
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  356. # [13:15] <annevk> Hixie: on top of that fragment-links.js breakage, you also changed a bunch of fragment identifiers for British English...
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  358. # [13:19] <annevk> Hixie: dude and you're not even consistent
  359. # [13:19] <annevk> Hixie: "serializing simple colour values"
  360. # [13:21] <JakeA> annevk: so, we've got these ServiceWorker instances. You can get at them in pages and serviceworkers. Having === work within a page is useful. Is there a way to avoid expandos?
  361. # [13:21] <annevk> JakeA: if you want === to work you need to tie them to the lifetime of the document
  362. # [13:22] <JakeA> annevk: These live within a serviceworker registration so their lifetime is beyond that of a document, but their lifetime is defined
  363. # [13:22] <annevk> JakeA: objects don't live longer than a document
  364. # [13:22] <annevk> JakeA: underlying concepts might
  365. # [13:23] <annevk> JakeA: the spec should distinguish between the two
  366. # [13:23] <JakeA> Gotcha, cheers
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  569. # [19:50] <yk> you may be watched
  570. # [19:50] <yk> do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
  571. # [19:50] <yk> do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
  572. # [19:50] <yk> do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
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