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  11. # [00:21] <Hixie_> jorendorff: also, what is "name" in 15.2.5.2.2 AddLoadToLinkSet(linkSet, load) Abstract Operation 3.c.i.1 ?
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  16. # [00:35] <MikeSmith> about "if you give any kind of rationale or even description of what something does, someone will interpret that as normative and do something stupid with it" I think there's a lot to be said for choosing to adopt that and being consistent about not deviating from it
  17. # [00:35] <Hixie_> yeah except there's still some notes and stuff in the ES spec
  18. # [00:35] <Hixie_> just search for "NOTE"
  19. # [00:35] <MikeSmith> ah ok
  20. # [00:36] <Hixie_> (plus it makes the spec unreadable)
  21. # [00:36] <MikeSmith> a lot of things seem to make the ES spec unreadable for most people
  22. # [00:36] <MikeSmith> it's pretty clearly not meant to be read by most people
  23. # [00:36] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: but that said, you're not most people
  24. # [00:37] <MikeSmith> and if it's unreadable for you, that's a problem
  25. # [00:37] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: http://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/6040024
  26. # [00:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: I think even with the WHATWG HTML we have plenty of examples of people mis-interpreting non-normative parts as normative -- and mis-interpreting the document-conformance requirements as UA conformance requirements
  27. # [00:38] <Hixie_> jorendorff: so, is "deps" (returned from the "instantiate" hook") intentionally supposed to be not checked as being a string? is that how i'm supposed to send metadata from "instantiate" to "normalize"?
  28. # [00:38] * MikeSmith looks
  29. # [00:38] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: oh yeah no kidding
  30. # [00:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: ah yeah I had seen that diagram
  31. # [00:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: please don't show that diagram to other people :)
  32. # [00:39] <Hixie_> hah
  33. # [00:39] <MikeSmith> it's too scary
  34. # [00:39] <Hixie_> it has massively helped in my understanding of the spec
  35. # [00:39] <MikeSmith> glad for that at least
  36. # [00:39] <Hixie_> specifically, being able to follow the promise chain (which isn't explicitly in the spec anywhere)
  37. # [00:39] <MikeSmith> a h yeah
  38. # [00:39] <Hixie_> (and which traverses the spec in a completely different order than the spec's explicit internal calls)
  39. # [00:40] <MikeSmith> I have been following some of your comments and questions here on IRC about the promise-chain stuff
  40. # [00:40] <Hixie_> looks like Reflect.Loader.prototype.define() doesn't let you use a non-string name...
  41. # [00:41] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: my main feeling from reading your questions and the responses here is, glad it's you and not me :)
  42. # [00:41] <Hixie_> heh
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  44. # [00:41] <boogyman> haha
  45. # [00:43] <MikeSmith> anyway, I think given that we're working in an interactive medium, we could take more advantage of the interactivity as far is presenting the non-normative parts to readers -- through more use of pop-ups, etc.
  46. # [00:43] <MikeSmith> e.g., make the non-normative stuff into annotations
  47. # [00:43] <boogyman> MikeSmith: just hope that anyone of value that needs that img isn't color blind
  48. # [00:44] <MikeSmith> the annotations approach is what I tried to do with http://es5.github.io (which was inspired by a hyperlinked version of the spec that jorendorff had made)
  49. # [00:44] <Domenic> MikeSmith: I think that would require a version of the spec that wasn't in Word ;)
  50. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> heh
  51. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> well Hixie_ should be glad at least that it now has internal hyperlinks
  52. # [00:45] <Domenic> MikeSmith: I didn't know you were the one behind es5.github.io!! I've been using that for years; it is brilliant.
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  54. # [00:46] <MikeSmith> before jorendorff got involved in production of it I think none of the uses of the defined terms in the spec where hyperlinked back to the defintions
  55. # [00:47] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: btw I think the dfn pop-ups in the HTML spec could be inspiration for adding some more stuff like that -- and the implementation-status annotations
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  57. # [00:48] <Hixie_> once i've actually done some real work (e.g. this loader/dependency thing) I plan to go back and do more on the HTML spec pipeline
  58. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> I think if we had a way for readers/users of the spec to submit annotations that would get added to a set of annotations for the spec after review, that would be great
  59. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: yeah, I figured
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  61. # [00:49] <Hixie_> but i wasted enough time just getting more or less to parity :-)
  62. # [00:49] <MikeSmith> heh
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  65. # [00:51] <MikeSmith> another thing that it seems has always worked really well is the way the PHP docs incorporate user comments and examples (and the many other projects that since adopted similar things for their docs)
  66. # [00:52] <MikeSmith> 90% of the utility to users of those kinds of docs is in those user-contributed comments and examples
  67. # [00:52] <MikeSmith> of course a spec is something quite a bit different, but stil
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  69. # [00:53] <Hixie_> the spec annotations get a lot of spam as it is
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  71. # [00:53] <Hixie_> and that's with them being basicaly invisible to most users
  72. # [00:54] <Hixie_> similarly, we had to clamp down on the wiki signups because of spam
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  74. # [00:58] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: sure, that's the cost of enabling those kinds of things
  75. # [00:58] <Hixie_> pretty high cost
  76. # [00:58] <Hixie_> speaking of which
  77. # [00:58] <Hixie_> wanna be on the hook to give people wiki accounts? :-)
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  79. # [00:59] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: well these days I think a better way to collect user contributions would be using a mechanism based on gihub forks and PRs
  80. # [00:59] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: see what html5please does
  81. # [00:59] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: I am already on the hook!
  82. # [01:00] <Hixie_> you get teh admin@ e-mail?
  83. # [01:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: I've done a bunch of wiki user-account creations already
  84. # [01:00] <Hixie_> oh, cool
  85. # [01:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: no, but would be glad to be on admin@ mail to help with whatever else is needed there
  86. # [01:00] <Hixie_> also, http://html5please.us/ o_O
  87. # [01:01] <Hixie_> oh, cool
  88. # [01:01] <Hixie_> let me add you! :-D
  89. # [01:01] <MikeSmith> cool
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  93. # [01:05] <boogyman> lol. of course that site is related to Insurance Rates
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  96. # [01:06] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: mike@w3.org ?
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  98. # [01:07] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: yeah please
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  101. # [01:11] <roc> Just try this link. If it doesn't work right away, I'll switch to Vidyo
  102. # [01:11] <roc> oops
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  190. # [04:36] <MikeSmith> so I see that Service Worker is a dependency for the draft Geofencing API https://gist.github.com/mkruisselbrink/ea833f70041ab3c2aa69#file-explainer-md
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  365. # [09:13] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: the Ⓐ annotation in http://es5.github.io/ should use http://javascript.spec.whatwg.org/
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  370. # [09:26] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: where is http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Web_ECMAScript#Identifiers covered in http://javascript.spec.whatwg.org ?
  371. # [09:27] <zcorpan> or is htat part of the ES spec now?
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  380. # [09:33] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: it’s being removed from the platform \o/
  381. # [09:34] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: oh. sweet
  382. # [09:34] <mathiasbynens> Opera/Carakan: https://bugs.opera.com/browse/CORE-47441 (DSK-369398)
  383. # [09:34] <mathiasbynens> Chrome/V8: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=2222
  384. # [09:34] <mathiasbynens> Safari/JavaScriptCore: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90678
  385. # [09:34] <mathiasbynens> Firefox (discussion): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744784
  386. # [09:34] <mathiasbynens> Spec bug: https://bugs.ecmascript.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277
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  388. # [09:36] <karlcow> mathiasbynens: search "use and xlink in svg"
  389. # [09:36] <karlcow> hmmm slow bot! pfff
  390. # [09:37] * karlcow who thought I had discovered the universal Web tech search engine ;)
  391. # [09:37] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: should the moz bug be closed?
  392. # [09:40] <annevk> I guess we should wait on other engines to fix their bugs
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  394. # [09:42] <annevk> Well, actually, I'll close it
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  401. # [10:11] <Manishearth> Hixie_: there?
  402. # [10:11] <Manishearth> (or Ms2ger)
  403. # [10:11] <Ms2ger> Here
  404. # [10:11] <Manishearth> http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-node-textcontent is nullable
  405. # [10:11] <Ms2ger> Yes
  406. # [10:11] <Manishearth> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#dom-a-text is not
  407. # [10:11] <Ms2ger> It can return null
  408. # [10:11] <Manishearth> but a.text is supposed to mirror node.textcontent
  409. # [10:11] <Ms2ger> But not for elements
  410. # [10:11] <Manishearth> d'oh
  411. # [10:12] <Ms2ger> You can wrap in Some on the way in, and unwrap() on the way out
  412. # [10:12] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: I guess https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/6b88d82c?review=2348 shouldn't be Throws then
  413. # [10:12] <Manishearth> just an unreachable!()
  414. # [10:12] <Manishearth> or an unwrap
  415. # [10:12] * Ms2ger looks
  416. # [10:12] <Ms2ger> That's correct
  417. # [10:13] <Ms2ger> (Yay, someone's picking reviews off my todo list :))
  418. # [10:13] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: first review my getters one ;)
  419. # [10:13] <Ms2ger> Dammit you :)
  420. # [10:14] <Ms2ger> bbiab
  421. # [10:14] <jgraham> Manishearth: See now you scared the Ms2ger
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  423. # [10:18] <Manishearth> haha
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  426. # [10:22] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: we also have SetterThrows for Node.textContent, which doesn't seem necessary. Hm
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  428. # [10:25] <jgraham> Manishearth: Yeah it doesn't sound like it should throw
  429. # [10:25] <jgraham> The servo DOM being buggy isn't exactly a surprise though
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  431. # [10:28] <Manishearth> jgraham: nodeValue throws too. I shall investigate
  432. # [10:31] <kriskowal> based on a couple of Domenic’s observations, i’ve done another sketch on promise-based streams
  433. # [10:32] <kriskowal> this time more closely analogous to Promise, with the revealing constructor returning the output side and passing the methods of the input as args of the setup function
  434. # [10:32] <kriskowal> and now 100% symmetric. both the input and output stream are the same prototype.
  435. # [10:32] <kriskowal> sketch http://kriskowal.github.io/gtor/docs/stream
  436. # [10:32] <kriskowal> and spec https://github.com/kriskowal/gtor/blob/master/test/stream-test.js
  437. # [10:32] <kriskowal> pardon, i mean test.
  438. # [10:33] <kriskowal> cc annevk TabAtkins JakeA
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  442. # [10:38] <JakeA> Interesting. Is this an alternative to the current streams proposal or sugar on top?
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  444. # [10:38] <kriskowal> this is independent
  445. # [10:39] <kriskowal> could go either way, i suppose
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  448. # [10:40] <kriskowal> this is a level of abstraction that i hope will at least be available to work with streams
  449. # [10:41] <kriskowal> particularly request and response bodies
  450. # [10:42] <kriskowal> to be clear, i would like Request and Response to be able to recognize iterators and promise iterators, of which this is one example
  451. # [10:42] <kriskowal> for the body
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  457. # [10:43] <kriskowal> apart from the utility of being able to use more specific kinds of iterables (e.g., array of strings), i believe async generators should also return promise iterators
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  459. # [10:44] <jgraham> Manishearth: So it isn't possible to get travis to do dependent jobs? e.g. make a build in one job and then use the binary in a second?
  460. # [10:44] <kriskowal> i expect promise iterators will become a streaming lingua franca
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  462. # [10:45] <kriskowal> JakeA ^
  463. # [10:48] <annevk> kriskowal: when you say "A stream is a promise iterator and a promise generator." is that analogous to "A promise is an asynchronous value getter and an asynchronous value setter."?
  464. # [10:48] <kriskowal> absolutely
  465. # [10:48] <JakeA> The API works for me, but I can't say I'm up to date on the latest streams spec for comparison.
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  467. # [10:48] <kriskowal> well, to be clear, a promise is an asynchronous getter, a resolver is an asynchronous setter
  468. # [10:49] <kriskowal> a stream can be used either as an asynchronous iterator or generator
  469. # [10:49] <kriskowal> since they’re symmetric
  470. # [10:50] <annevk> I like the API and I was hoping we'd end up with something like that
  471. # [10:50] <kriskowal> JakeA: the current stream spec focuses on a lower level, catering specifically to hooking into system level streams
  472. # [10:51] <annevk> As far as I can tell we do not have something like that because of performance, but it's not clear whether those concerns are valid
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  474. # [10:52] <kriskowal> yeah. burden of proof is on me to figure out how to make this interface perform well for byte streams
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  479. # [11:01] <annevk> http://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/6040024 is just o_O
  480. # [11:02] <annevk> kriskowal: I hope both sides feel pressure since a much better API is worth something too
  481. # [11:03] <kriskowal> yeah, and low level stream api’s can get mired in byzantine state machines as well
  482. # [11:03] <kriskowal> it’s a hard problem
  483. # [11:04] <annevk> tyoshino______: does that link help? I wasn't sure that linking to public-webapps would help; there's also discussion on public-webappsec sometimes and even other places, but I don't necessarily want to discourage all that fragmentation
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  487. # [11:20] <annevk> "In terms of vision, Sam isn't planning on coming to the TAG with a set agenda, but will seek to find ways to address a disturbing trend he has seen whereby prioritization has been in favor of specifiers (often arguing for theoretical purity!) over implementers over authors over users. He believes that the correct ordering is the opposite: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#priority-of-constituencies "
  488. # [11:20] <annevk> from http://www.w3.org/2014/08/01-tag-nominations.html
  489. # [11:21] <annevk> First I hear of this, anyone has context?
  490. # [11:26] <kriskowal> i met sam once at TC-39 in 2009
  491. # [11:27] <kriskowal> i believe he was pushing for internationalization for IBM but wasn’t getting traction at the time
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  493. # [11:27] <kriskowal> oh, no it was bigint
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  495. # [11:30] <kriskowal> i could see that argument applied in that context, from his perspective. the effort to introduce Decimal now depends on Brendan’s value type idea, all these years later.
  496. # [11:32] <annevk> I think Sam wanted decimal
  497. # [11:33] <annevk> http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/07/11/Decimal-in-ECMAScript
  498. # [11:33] <annevk> http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2008/08/27/ES-Decimal-Updates
  499. # [11:35] <annevk> I guess TC39 can count itself "lucky" that no platform APIs were designed to deal with decimal as happened with bytes
  500. # [11:36] <annevk> But yeah, in the context of TC39 that makes a lot of sense
  501. # [11:36] <annevk> But W3C is not TC39
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  503. # [11:38] <kriskowal> perhaps TC39’s luck is about to dry up on that front :P
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  519. # [12:26] <annevk> In DOM, I'm going to rebrand "node is removed" and "node is inserted" as "removing steps" and "insertion steps", to make them similar to "cloning steps" and "adopting steps"
  520. # [12:27] <annevk> As well as passing them the arguments they need and fixing bugs in NodeIterator
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  523. # [12:29] <jgraham> Algorithm names in the -ing form seems pretty horrid
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  525. # [12:35] <annevk> Don't really want to rename adopting/cloning at this point
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  567. # [14:40] <foolip> annevk: why does navigation invoke fully exit fullscreen again? it doesn't seem to do that in Chromium, and I'm not sure why it should...
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  569. # [14:41] <foolip> having a presentation where you open different sites in iframes doesn't seem crazy, for example
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  584. # [15:12] <Manishearth> jgraham: Nope. We manage that for Rust snapshots by havign two repos and uploading the binaries.
  585. # [15:12] <Manishearth> I've proposed a system where Travis can split into more VMs *after* the build step (before testing)
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  595. # [15:30] <annevk> foolip: roc was afraid of spoofing I think
  596. # [15:30] <annevk> foolip: it might be about navigating the top-level browsing context only?
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  598. # [15:31] <jgraham> Manishearth: Proposed to whom? The Travis people?
  599. # [15:32] <caitp> they'd probably be happy to do that for you, they seem to be very happy to try new things with docker
  600. # [15:32] <Manishearth> jgraham: yeah. There's some internal discussions too that I don't know much about but Lars is saying something about that in #servo
  601. # [15:33] <jgraham> Manishearth: seems like a CI system that can't do that is only going to be suitable for tiny projects
  602. # [15:33] <caitp> well it's mostly catering to ruby/python/js apps
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  604. # [15:34] <jgraham> Yeah, we might well not be their target audience
  605. # [15:34] <annevk> Oh, I missed this happened: http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/
  606. # [15:35] <jgraham> I'm not really sure why servo started using Travis in the first place, unless it was just that Mozilla releng were overstretched
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  608. # [15:35] <caitp> probably the same reason they started hosting projects on github; convenience
  609. # [15:35] <jgraham> The convenience of github is debatable :p
  610. # [15:36] <Manishearth> jgraham: Yeah, their target audience are people where "build" is the same as "run"
  611. # [15:36] <jgraham> (the attraction of it is more familiarity to potential contributers, which doesn't apply to the CI system)
  612. # [15:36] <zcorpan> <a style="color:black" href="http://yandex.com"><span
  613. # [15:36] <zcorpan> style="color: red;">Y</span>andex</a>—<a style="color:black" href="http://yandex.ru"><span
  614. # [15:36] <zcorpan> style="color: red;">Я</span>ндекс</a>
  615. # [15:36] <Manishearth> When I proposed it they seemed to think I wanted to split up the VM after installing deps ;)
  616. # [15:36] <foolip> annevk: maybe, it's in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#traverse-the-history-by-a-delta
  617. # [15:36] <caitp> that's what the convenience is, really
  618. # [15:37] <annevk> foolip: that's always triggered
  619. # [15:37] <caitp> but I'm not going to sit here and justify the use of github, onto more interesting things today :<
  620. # [15:37] <annevk> foolip: talk with roc?
  621. # [15:37] <foolip> annevk: looks like that only applies to go(), back() and forward(), am I missing something?
  622. # [15:37] <jgraham> I really wish someone would make a viable competitor to github; it's pretty obvious that we're all suffering from their near-monopoly position
  623. # [15:37] <foolip> annevk: ok :)
  624. # [15:38] <Ms2ger> jgraham, yeah, definitely releng being overstretched
  625. # [15:38] <annevk> foolip: step 5 of navigate (named navigated) also invokes it
  626. # [15:38] <annevk> zcorpan: yeah, noticed that
  627. # [15:39] <foolip> annevk: "If a task queued by the traverse the history by a delta algorithm is running" doesn't actually invoke it AFAICT
  628. # [15:40] <annevk> oh sorry, I'll look again
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  630. # [15:40] <Manishearth> jgraham: So it started off with me just tinkering with Travis and trying to get it to do snapshots because compiling rustc took forever for me, and I used to mess up with git so sometimes I'd end up compiling it 3-4 times because it kept clobbering itself. Later I decided to get it on Travis as an experiment, though I got blocked by an ICE. And then finally releng got overstretched and wpt was blocked on pypi and all that, so I and Lars worked
  631. # [15:41] <Manishearth> I find Travis better than buildbot fwiw. But if either one could get VM forking, that would be awesome
  632. # [15:42] <annevk> foolip: not sure now
  633. # [15:42] <foolip> it doesn't seem to add up
  634. # [15:42] <caitp> honestly I'm pretty sure they'd work with you guys on that
  635. # [15:42] <caitp> especially if mozilla wants to pay Travis for the multitudes of repos on github
  636. # [15:43] <foolip> additionally, Blink/WebKit actually does fully exit fullscreen for window.open, which seems outside of what's spec'd
  637. # [15:43] <annevk> foolip: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18840
  638. # [15:43] <foolip> might make sense though?
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  646. # [15:48] <jgraham> Manishearth: Well I'm hoping that the replacement for buildbot is better, but I think that travis is one of these things that is likely good when your needs are small but might not scale to more complex scenarios
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  649. # [15:50] <Manishearth> jgraham: Yeah. Though it probably wouldn't be too hard to just use Travis on the build slaves and tweak it for what we need
  650. # [15:50] <Manishearth> However, the Travis people are implementing goodies for us anyway, so it makes some sense to just go ahead with it
  651. # [15:51] <jgraham> Sure, I'm not arguing it doesn't make sense for now
  652. # [15:52] <jgraham> Like I say, hopefully TaskCluster eventually becomes a thing and we can implement our testing infrastructure in a way that is very flexible and low-latency
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  655. # [15:56] <foolip> annevk: filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26584
  656. # [15:58] <Manishearth> jgraham: We should inject some stuff into Firefox that makes everyone part of our botnet and then use the botnet for CI
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  660. # [16:00] <Ms2ger> We can just make Fx mine bitcoins and pay build people with them
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  662. # [16:01] <caitp> finally after 2 decades, mozilla has a business model
  663. # [16:01] <jgraham> Hmm?
  664. # [16:02] <jgraham> Mozilla has a business model already… I guess you can debate how good it is, but I would bet it will work better than mining bitcoins :)
  665. # [16:02] <caitp> it's a joke jgraham
  666. # [16:02] <caitp> that's the joke
  667. # [16:04] <jgraham> I guess :) "How does Mozilla make any money" quickly becomes the sort of question that becomes so tedious you wish someone would just distribute a pamphlet to avoid answering it again
  668. # [16:06] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: next time I get asked where Mozilla gets money from I'm using that as an answer
  669. # [16:06] <Manishearth> ;P
  670. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> Manishearth, eh
  671. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> Manishearth, why not "Oh, we hacked a bitcoin miner into Chrome"? :)
  672. # [16:07] <Manishearth> hahaha even better
  673. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> That's why Google pays us so much
  674. # [16:07] * caitp can't wait to see that headline in Wired
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  683. # [16:30] <annevk> www-tag o_O
  684. # [16:30] * Ms2ger gets popcorn
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  686. # [16:32] <Ms2ger> Oh, it's Adam
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  688. # [16:35] <jgraham> "numerous attorneys"
  689. # [16:36] <jgraham> Because with lawyers it's really the number that you spam that is the important thing.
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  700. # [16:58] <SamB__> jgraham: couldn't they just publish an FAQ on the website?
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  726. # [17:21] <JakeA> annevk: Does http://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#headers need a .keys() method, or is there some other way to get the headers?
  727. # [17:22] <annevk> JakeA: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26102
  728. # [17:22] <JakeA> cool
  729. # [17:23] <annevk> JakeA: basically waiting for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17648
  730. # [17:23] <annevk> JakeA: we've numerous collections, ideally they all do the same thing
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  732. # [17:24] <JakeA> annevk: Any idea how close ES6 iterators are?
  733. # [17:25] <annevk> JakeA: not really, hard to make any predictions about ES without attending TC39 meetings :/
  734. # [17:25] <annevk> must be the most closed standards group we have
  735. # [17:27] <JakeA> hah
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  878. # [20:57] <wanderview> annevk: ^^^
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  881. # [21:09] <TabAtkins> JakeA: Based on my last talk with Domenic, the plan is still to have Streams do binary-level stuff, object streams as something different, and *investigate* whether it's possible/worthwhile to merge them.
  882. # [21:09] <TabAtkins> (I don't think it is.)
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  884. # [21:10] <TabAtkins> annevk: Note that you can add "iterator foo()" or whatever to your IDL right now.
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  919. # [22:07] <annevk> TabAtkins: see the bug
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  921. # [22:07] <annevk> there's a bunch of stuff that doesn't really address
  922. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dk60t/we_build_internet_explorer_i_know_right_ask_us/
  923. # [22:07] <Domenic> It's important to allow custom iterator definitions in some way, in addition to "just copy Array.prototype's pattern"
  924. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> Who still has bugs they need IE feedback on?
  925. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> Oh, looks like they're done already
  926. # [22:08] <Domenic> SteveF got them good in that thread http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dk60t/we_build_internet_explorer_i_know_right_ask_us/cjq8jph
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