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  7. # [00:07] <smaug____> ah, some old idea
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  32. # [00:49] <Domenic> Anyone know why the WebIDL parser doesn't like [Reflect=foo-bar] but is OK with [Reflect=foo_bar]?
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  36. # [01:01] <GPHemsley> annevk: Even if I was, it would solve my probilem :P
  37. # [01:01] <GPHemsley> wouldn't
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  53. # [01:29] <jsbell> Dominic: because _ is traditionally in the list of identifier characters but - is not?
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  55. # [01:30] <jsbell> (but I seem to recall the extended attributes parsing in webidl is a bit wacky for historical reasons, anyway)
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  57. # [01:34] <Domenic> jsbell: yeah, I realized now it was trying to parse as an identifier. Probably [Reflect="foo-bar"] would be better. (But Blink doesn't do that.)
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  105. # [04:47] <P0rk> Hey all, I was directed here from #html. Wonder where i could research a suggestion to have a <radio> element that works like <select>?
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  145. # [07:45] <annevk> GPHemsley: yes, but it would solve the caching problem
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  151. # [08:04] <zcorpan> Domenic: i think webidl supports dashes now
  152. # [08:05] <zcorpan> Domenic: at least for attribute names
  153. # [08:08] <zcorpan> http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#prod-identifier
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  160. # [08:27] <annevk> Domenic: oh :-(
  161. # [08:27] <annevk> It's surprising how quickly APIs look dated
  162. # [08:32] <zcorpan> MediaError is from 2007
  163. # [08:32] <zcorpan> i think
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  182. # [09:31] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-dnt.html :-(
  183. # [09:36] <zcorpan> is DNT doing anything other than increasing fingerprinting in practice?
  184. # [09:37] <zcorpan> they put it on window??
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  186. # [09:38] <annevk> I think they will put it back on navigator after I complained
  187. # [09:38] <annevk> But there's still a ton of issues with the whole thing
  188. # [09:39] <annevk> And Apple perhaps together with Microsoft are proposing a ton of APIs surface around it as well as you can see
  189. # [09:39] <annevk> With nobody really paying attention
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  191. # [09:43] <zcorpan> i thought the original idea was to convey 1 bit of information from client to server
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  201. # [10:10] <annevk> Yeah, that's why the W3C has charters, so things don't get out of hand. Oh wait
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  218. # [11:05] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, doh
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  224. # [11:37] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/mid/1412708231.2969.29.camel@chacal (re createElement and namespaces)
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  230. # [11:56] <smaug____> why do people use readystatechange events with XHR?
  231. # [11:57] <caitp> why not?
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  235. # [12:03] <annevk> Domenic: if you're awake, care to look at https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#fetch-api
  236. # [12:04] <annevk> JakeA: ^ (though I guess you're busy)
  237. # [12:04] <annevk> Anyone else welcome too of course, just looking for some basic feedback on whether this is okay or not
  238. # [12:04] <JakeA> annevk: will look at the weekend :D
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  240. # [12:07] <smaug____> caitp: harder to read code.
  241. # [12:07] <smaug____> zcorpan: could be
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  243. # [12:15] <annevk> smaug____: examples in the spec should prolly change to not use it
  244. # [12:15] <annevk> smaug____: will do that now
  245. # [12:20] <annevk> smaug____: readystatechange is the only event you can use to process headers as early as possible
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  247. # [12:24] <smaug____> hmm
  248. # [12:24] <smaug____> how so?
  249. # [12:25] <smaug____> or is that about the implementation difference
  250. # [12:25] <annevk> because it's the only one that's dispatched at that time
  251. # [12:25] <smaug____> browsers fire load for upload at different times
  252. # [12:26] <annevk> assume there's no body to be "uploaded"
  253. # [12:26] <smaug____> right
  254. # [12:27] * smaug____ wasn't really thinking about this case earlier, but the common readyState == 4 check
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  258. # [12:34] <annevk> yeah, updated those examples
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  262. # [12:39] <annevk> Gmail uses getAttributeNode() :-(
  263. # [12:42] <caitp> :-(
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  266. # [12:45] <caitp> it's possible they needed to to support one of their target browsers, but i guess getAttributeNode() wouldn't work right either
  267. # [12:46] <caitp> (msie9 will just fail to getAttribute() or setAttribute() reliably if there's an xml namespace anywhere)
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  280. # [13:52] <darobin> oooh, fat arrow examples! annevk++
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  360. # [16:52] <annevk> darobin: using async/await seemed like a bridge too far
  361. # [16:52] <darobin> annevk: yeah, it's more remote
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  371. # [17:16] <tomvg> the HTML spec states: "User agents may allow users to selectively block or slow media data downloads." (https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/embedded-content.html#loading-the-media-resource:media-data-4) → are there any browsers that provide this functionality?
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  376. # [17:27] <boogyman> Domenic: File API use-case is for JS on server side?
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  383. # [17:44] <tobie> TabAtkins: what's the current status of CSS 2.1? Is it obsoleted by all of the new CSS modules or not yet?
  384. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> Not yet
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  394. # [17:57] <annevk> stacking contexts man
  395. # [17:57] <annevk> never forgot
  396. # [17:57] <annevk> forget, even
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  414. # [18:38] <annevk> Domenic: why would Map not take an object literal?
  415. # [18:38] <annevk> Domenic: the nested array thing seems rather cumbersome syntax
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  418. # [18:41] <Domenic> boogyman: not sure why you're asking me (or why you always go offline shortly after asking questions :P)
  419. # [18:41] <Domenic> annevk: because Map keys can be arbitrary objects, but object keys cannot
  420. # [18:42] <annevk> Domenic: fair I suppose, we don't have that constrain here
  421. # [18:42] <Domenic> annevk: yeah but you do want to allow duplicate keys which objects don't allow
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  423. # [18:43] <annevk> Domenic: I don't think it matters that using convenience syntax does not enable all of the features
  424. # [18:43] <Domenic> annevk: agreed just means you want to support both IMO.
  425. # [18:44] <annevk> Domenic: no disagreement there
  426. # [18:44] <annevk> Domenic: I guess the object literal thing got lost somehow
  427. # [18:44] <Domenic> annevk: yeah I think that's what happened, when I was writing that PR I didn't even remember that was a desire.
  428. # [18:46] <annevk> I guess I have to wait a month for heycam to get back and then hopefully he can fix it
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  430. # [18:50] <Domenic> I can PR an adding-map-elementsfrom-open-ended-dictionaries sometime in the next week and maybe bz can merge?
  431. # [18:50] <tobie> Ms2ger: ty
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  433. # [18:51] <annevk> Domenic: sgtm
  434. # [18:53] <annevk> Hixie: when is your DreamHost server getting updated? This weekend?
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  440. # [19:06] <annevk> Hmm, HTTP caches are hard. I don't think I'm going to get that bug fixed today at this rate
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  449. # [19:26] <TabAtkins> tobie: Yeah, various parts of 2.1 are still around.
  450. # [19:27] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin and I have a planned project to publish a "CSS 3.1" module that is just all the parts of 2.1 that haven't been obsoleted by anything else yet. We'd whittle it down until it was empty.
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  458. # [19:41] <annevk> How about you publish a project called "CSS" and you know, define CSS :-P
  459. # [19:43] <TabAtkins> annevk: Yeah, I'll get right on that, when I have a few years of nothing else to do.
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  465. # [19:49] <annevk> Hixie: thanks for the stylesheet adjustments btw
  466. # [19:50] <annevk> Hixie: actually thought Domenic had a custom stylesheet for Streams when I read it on my phone
  467. # [19:50] <annevk> Hixie: turns out things improved :-)
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  469. # [19:53] <annevk> TabAtkins: mostly kidding, you are doing great work
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  472. # [19:53] <TabAtkins> No, it's too late! I know your true feelings!
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  476. # [20:01] <Domenic> console spec needs a logo guys https://github.com/terinjokes/console-spec/issues/7
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  481. # [20:08] <TabAtkins> Domenic: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3246 ?
  482. # [20:08] <Domenic> seems legit. terinjokes ^
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  484. # [20:10] <terinjokes> did you just do that?
  485. # [20:10] <Domenic> he cheated and used text instead of geometries
  486. # [20:10] <terinjokes> cheater!
  487. # [20:10] <terinjokes> everyone knows you need to import Open Sans for your SVGs
  488. # [20:11] <TabAtkins> Haha, wtv
  489. # [20:11] <terinjokes> :)
  490. # [20:11] <TabAtkins> You can trace it into geometry.
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  512. # [21:16] <JakeA> TabAtkins: btw, that CSS mistakes doc is here https://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/mistakes
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  528. # [21:47] <TabAtkins> JakeA: I know that (I contributed several fo those lines), I was asking about the specific case you were asking about.
  529. # [21:48] <annevk> more logos <3
  530. # [21:48] <JakeA> ohhh sorry, yeah, I thought your question was a bit weird
  531. # [21:48] <JakeA> it's less weird now
  532. # [21:48] <JakeA> It's CSS's 20th birthday tomorrow so I wanted some dirt to throw at Fronteers
  533. # [21:48] <JakeA> :D
  534. # [21:48] <TabAtkins> Hahaha, go for it.
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  540. # [22:13] <Hixie> wtf, what happened to my database
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  542. # [22:14] <Hixie> o_O
  543. # [22:14] <Hixie> oh, i nuked status.whatwg.org
  544. # [22:14] <Hixie> oops
  545. # [22:14] <Hixie> la la la
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  554. # [22:29] <Domenic> what used to be there, i have no idea
  555. # [22:30] <Hixie> nothing
  556. # [22:31] <Domenic> uh huh
  557. # [22:31] <Hixie> but database.status.whatwg.org is where i had the database used by many of my whatwg-supporting services :-)
  558. # [22:31] <Hixie> it's all fixed now
  559. # [22:31] <boogyman> Domenic: I'm asking you because of the retweet you posted yesterday. As for me leaving, there are public logs if I have to leave.
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