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  1. # Session Start: Fri Oct 10 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  8. # [00:22] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: we do?
  9. # [00:22] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: I thought we talked about it off-hand at the last f2f. ^_^
  10. # [00:22] <SimonSapin> Well, I’d like this to happen, but I don’t know if the benefits are really worth the effort
  11. # [00:22] <SimonSapin> also, I’m not so sure about the name
  12. # [00:22] <TabAtkins> haha, i made the name up off the cuff
  13. # [00:23] <SimonSapin> by which I mean "CSS 3.1" sounds terrible and likely to cause much more confusion that "CSS 4" already does
  14. # [00:23] <TabAtkins> hahaha
  15. # [00:23] <SimonSapin> :)
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  17. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> "CSS Leftovers Module Level 3"
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  19. # [00:31] <jgraham> CSS Pytt i Panna?
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  21. # [00:31] <TabAtkins> Sure.
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  32. # [01:19] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: CSS Sundries?
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  39. # [01:29] <MikeSmith> "I have come to the conclusion that so much in IPv6 design and implementation has been botched by protocol designers and vendors (both ours and others) that it is simply unsafe to run IPv6 on a production network except in very limited geographical circumstances and with very tight central administration of hosts."
  40. # [01:30] <MikeSmith> "We have seen Windows machines with more than 300 IPv6 addresses — which, recall, means that every 150 seconds they will be transmitting 30 multicast packets per second which have to be flooded through the network."
  41. # [01:30] <MikeSmith> http://blog.bimajority.org/2014/09/05/the-network-nightmare-that-ate-my-week/
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  200. # [12:22] <annevk> GPHemsley: I have an idea
  201. # [12:22] <annevk> GPHemsley: if you log into the wiki we have these huge banners on top
  202. # [12:22] <annevk> GPHemsley: what if we give those a max-width and float them to the right?
  203. # [12:22] <GPHemsley> Cache has been invalidated. Sorry for the unpleasant wait, everyone!
  204. # [12:23] <annevk> GPHemsley: also, I don't think we really need the second note on where to discuss changes to the specification
  205. # [12:23] <annevk> GPHemsley: \o/
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  211. # [12:42] <GPHemsley> annevk: I've made some changes in an attempt to address your issues.
  212. # [12:42] <GPHemsley> annevk: Take a look at the results and let me know what you think.
  213. # [12:42] <GPHemsley> annevk: But as an administrator, you have the rights to make changes yourself, if you want:
  214. # [12:42] <GPHemsley> https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Anonnotice
  215. # [12:42] <GPHemsley> https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
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  220. # [13:05] <annevk> GPHemsley: thanks and thanks for the info
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  222. # [13:06] <GPHemsley> annevk: Just don't go too crazy ;)
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  228. # [13:17] <GPHemsley> To Whom It May Concern: I'll probably be updating the wiki later today. It's not especially high-traffic, but just so you know.
  229. # [13:17] <GPHemsley> (Somewhere around midnight UTC, give or take)
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  250. # [14:13] <annevk> Everyone that cares about cache modes: https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/412#issuecomment-58646963
  251. # [14:16] <annevk> darobin_: web-platform-tests has open PRs from 15 Jan 2013
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  253. # [14:17] <darobin> annevk: I know, some of those are probably even mine
  254. # [14:18] <darobin> annevk: reviewing tests takes an awful lot of time, and we have few people doing it
  255. # [14:18] <darobin> any help is certainly extremely welcome
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  257. # [14:19] <darobin> annevk: if you can think of people who could help, or of a way of agitating for folks to join the effort, by all means please go ahead!
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  259. # [14:22] <SimonSapin> Hixie: Is "input elements whose type attribute is in the Hidden state" different from "input[type=hidden]" ?
  260. # [14:22] <annevk> SimonSapin: well, depends on how precise you want to go
  261. # [14:23] <SimonSapin> The Rendering chapter has "The user agent is expected to force the 'display' property of input elements whose type attribute is in the Hidden state to compute to 'none', irrespective of CSS rules.", and I’m hoping to encode that as input[type=hidden] { display: none !important; }
  262. # [14:23] <SimonSapin> in the UA stylesheet
  263. # [14:24] <jgraham> annevk: Are there any specific tests that you think out to be reviewed as a priority?
  264. # [14:25] <annevk> jgraham: just wondering about the contributors
  265. # [14:26] <annevk> SimonSapin: it would need to be [type=hidden i] or some such, no?
  266. # [14:26] <jgraham> annevk: What do you mean "wondering about the contributers"?
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  268. # [14:27] <annevk> jgraham: well if I contributed something and had to wait over a year I would not be pleased
  269. # [14:28] <darobin> SimonSapin: but that could be overridden with another !important
  270. # [14:28] <SimonSapin> darobin: only in the UA stylesheet, which we control
  271. # [14:29] <SimonSapin> annevk: good point
  272. # [14:29] <SimonSapin> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#enumerated-attribute is what I was looking for
  273. # [14:30] <darobin> mmm, indeed
  274. # [14:31] <annevk> SimonSapin: FWIW, I think the HTML UA stylesheet was written when the rule about !important was not normative in CSS
  275. # [14:31] <SimonSapin> ok
  276. # [14:32] <SimonSapin> I’d like more on this chapter to be expressed in CSS rather than prose, when possible
  277. # [14:32] <annevk> Who doesn't
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  279. # [14:41] <jgraham> annevk: Well I have sontributed things and waited over a year…
  280. # [14:42] <annevk> jgraham: how did it make you feel? :)
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  282. # [14:42] <jgraham> But the sad truth at the moment is that we don't have enough people doing review and the people we do have are concentrating on the expected highest-value items i.e. things from other well known contributers
  283. # [14:43] <jgraham> annevk: Like the system is broken :)
  284. # [14:45] <Ms2ger> annevk, interested in reviewing d3e tests?
  285. # [14:46] <annevk> Ms2ger: not today, HTTP cache stuff is eating me alive
  286. # [14:46] <annevk> Ms2ger: but the state of things has made me consider whether I should take some time for testing again, yes
  287. # [14:47] <Ms2ger> Your help would definitely be much appreciated
  288. # [14:47] * Ms2ger should finish up the selectorsapi stuff
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  291. # [14:48] <annevk> Ms2ger: is that moving to DOM?
  292. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  293. # [14:48] <annevk> cool
  294. # [14:50] <Ms2ger> Pretty sure the find/findAll ones are way out of date, though :/
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  297. # [14:56] <darobin> annevk: yeah, your help would be wicked cool
  298. # [14:56] <annevk> Ms2ger: given that those have different names today...
  299. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> Names are easy :)
  300. # [15:02] <annevk> Hmm, David Sheets again
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  323. # [15:39] <SteveF_> annevk: at least its not me giving you the sheets
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  325. # [15:40] <annevk> SteveF_: I have no idea what that means
  326. # [15:41] <annevk> (and I cannot find it online either)
  327. # [15:41] <SteveF_> annevk: giving you the shits, stupid play on his name, have been following the discussion on mailing list
  328. # [15:43] <annevk> He was there a couple years ago on the WHATWG list too. That he still doesn't understand what is happening is kind of astonishing. Especially now he basically started a CG to compete with the effort...
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  334. # [15:48] <SteveF_> yeah i sawthat
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  336. # [15:52] <annevk> And although people make a lot of fuss about competing standards, I would not be opposed. Might help to see the different perspectives and then let the market decide. Worked well for XHTML2 vs HTML5.
  337. # [15:54] <darobin> annevk: I found the people of that CG! They're the ones in the top left corner in http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/post/99476419232/rodents-of-unusual-size-strike-again
  338. # [15:55] <annevk> This reminds of me of that really hilarious GitHub thread that inspired the logo for the URL Standard
  339. # [15:58] <annevk> Tantek showed it during TPAC at one point... Hmm http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces
  340. # [15:59] <annevk> Or maybe someone else, https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1580 is the one
  341. # [16:00] <annevk> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/bd208bf0093648b4ad23a56faa584596580f76f5/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f3163776d352e706e67 was the inspiration
  342. # [16:00] <annevk> Or rather obscure reference
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  391. # [17:22] <SimonSapin> Should HTML spec bugs go to the mailing list or bugzilla?
  392. # [17:23] <ErayAydin> Hi I need an idea for my project. Its domain http://acikteknoloji.com (means in english: OpenTechnology.com). I can't find a main category. Open Source Programs ? Technology News ? Programming Tutorials ?
  393. # [17:23] <annevk> SimonSapin: either way is fine
  394. # [17:23] <annevk> SimonSapin: I would file a bug for trivial things
  395. # [17:25] <annevk> ErayAydin: what is it you want to do?
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  397. # [17:26] <ErayAydin> annevk: I can't decide
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  399. # [17:26] <ErayAydin> annevk: for now I have 3 idea. "Open Source Programs Guide", "Technology News", "Programming Tutorials"
  400. # [17:26] <annevk> ErayAydin: so it sounds like you want to write
  401. # [17:27] <annevk> ErayAydin: I recommend just writing down what you feel excited about at any particular moment and publishing that (i.e. blogging)
  402. # [17:28] <ErayAydin> annevk: I tried that but Its like flood. Games, Mobiles, Programming, Open Source Programs .... Its crowd
  403. # [17:29] <ErayAydin> I need only one category. Main thing for this site
  404. # [17:29] <annevk> ErayAydin: roll a dice?
  405. # [17:30] <ErayAydin> annevk: :) good idea
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