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  13. # [00:21] <say2joe> @Hixie: nice honorable mention in https://dev.opera.com/articles/css-twenty-years-hakon/
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  26. # [01:02] <Hixie> say2joe: :-)
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  41. # [01:48] <Hixie> who are good implementors to cc for shared worker stuff?
  42. # [01:48] <Hixie> (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24691 is asking, quite reasonably i think, for a shared worker that survives page loads within an origin)
  43. # [01:49] <Hixie> hsivonen: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26783
  44. # [01:49] <boogyman> Hixie: doesn't that break the HTTP protocol of being stateless?
  45. # [01:51] <Hixie> HTTP stopped being stateless long ago
  46. # [01:51] <Hixie> but in any case, no
  47. # [01:51] <Hixie> since this isn't tied to HTTP
  48. # [01:54] <boogyman> well, as soon as cookies were introduced (among other means) it became stateless, but those require some other technology to process them, where workers are a technology by themselves.
  49. # [01:54] <boogyman> stateful*
  50. # [01:55] <Hixie> i don't see how surviving shared workers would be any different than, say, localStorage, or indexDB, or a sibling iframe, or...
  51. # [01:58] <boogyman> I see the first two as no different from cookies, and a sibling iframe as similar to xhr
  52. # [01:58] <Hixie> then i don't understand what you mean by "some other technology"
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  54. # [01:59] <boogyman> but you do make fair points about the capabilities.
  55. # [02:00] <Hixie> in particular i don't understand the difference between a sibling iframe that stays alive while your iframe is navigated, and a shared worker that survives your navigation
  56. # [02:00] <Hixie> in terms of making http stateful, they seem identical
  57. # [02:01] <boogyman> i would agree with that conclusion. is that what occurs?
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  59. # [02:14] <Hixie> how do you mean?
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  64. # [02:18] <boogyman> My experience with sibling iframe is a 2min google search
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  67. # [02:19] <boogyman> so when you say "sibling iframe stays alive", i am not exactly sure how that introduces state into HTTP
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  78. # [02:36] <Hixie> boogyman: how does a shared worker introduce state into HTTP?
  79. # [02:43] <boogyman> by definition it introduces the ability for a continued process to execute regardless of user-interaction on screen.
  80. # [02:44] <Hixie> ditto with an iframe
  81. # [02:45] <Hixie> anything you can do to community with a shared worker, you can do when communicating to an iframe
  82. # [02:45] <Hixie> or indeed to the iframe host
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  85. # [02:59] <Hixie> annevk: got a 500 from the twitter notification script
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  90. # [03:13] <GPHemsley> MikeSmith: Oh, how long have you been on the admin list? ^_^
  91. # [03:14] <GPHemsley> FTR, I'm switching us to track MediaWiki via git
  92. # [03:14] <MikeSmith> GPHemsley: since whenever it was the Hixie added me 😺
  93. # [03:14] <GPHemsley> so upgrading will just be a combination of pulling and switching branches
  94. # [03:15] <GPHemsley> MikeSmith: Oh, showing off with emoji, too? :-P
  95. # [03:15] <MikeSmith> nice
  96. # [03:15] <GPHemsley> (and running the upgrade script)
  97. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> 👻
  98. # [03:17] <MikeSmith> in other news if anybody can help me round up all the web developers responsible for online movie-ticket booking forms and get them into one room together so that I can kill them all at the same time please let me knwo
  99. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> short of that if somebody can give give the home addresses of the devs that made the form at http://www.aeoncinema.com/cinema/minatomirai/ that'd be a good start
  100. # [03:25] <MikeSmith> me sees that "environment settings objects" has landed
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  102. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> me wonders is Hixie is going to open a new bug for adding "environment kind"
  103. # [03:28] <Hixie> see the bug
  104. # [03:28] <Hixie> i decided not to
  105. # [03:28] <Hixie> if you think i should anyway, do file a new bug :-)
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  109. # [03:44] <GPHemsley> OK, actual migration about to happen. Try not to use the wiki until I give the all-clear.
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  112. # [03:59] <GPHemsley> OK, upgrade complete. If you notice any issues, let me know,
  113. # [03:59] <GPHemsley> (It seems to be slow right now, but I don't know if that's just a caching thing. If it persists, we may have to investigate.)
  114. # [04:00] <GPHemsley> Hixie, annevk, MikeSmith: FYI ^
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  116. # [04:05] <say2joe> @annevk can you point me to the right place to better understand the URL spec gh repo? I've forked and have a small change I'd like to submit a pull request for … but new to the xxx.src.html vs xxx.html spec file with makefile setup. thanks.
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  118. # [04:10] <GPHemsley> monetary breakage; please stand by
  119. # [04:11] <GPHemsley> breakage repaired
  120. # [04:17] <GPHemsley> hmm... apparently a 404 caused the slowdown
  121. # [04:17] <GPHemsley> (forgot to copy an image)
  122. # [04:18] <GPHemsley> anyway, we should be good now
  123. # [04:19] <GPHemsley> if anyone wants any further changes, let me know
  124. # [04:21] <GPHemsley> say2joe: Anolis is the preprocessor
  125. # [04:21] <GPHemsley> src is the file you edit
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  131. # [04:48] <Domenic> annevk: the URL spec Readme should be updated to answer say2joe's question IMO.
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  268. # [13:47] <annevk> win some, lose some
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