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  13. # [00:34] <xtrm0> Hey
  14. # [00:34] <xtrm0> whatsup?
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  22. # [00:59] <jamesr_> congratulations on finishing html5! good work team
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  30. # [01:14] <Hixie> i think #whatwg hit peak sarcasm today
  31. # [01:14] <Hixie> :-P
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  35. # [01:21] <xtrm0> ahah Hixie
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  44. # [01:39] <cwilso> Hixie: don't sell the channel short. They can do better. :P
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  53. # [01:53] <JonathanNeal> jorendorff: you around?
  54. # [01:53] <jorendorff> JonathanNeal: Not really! I'm supposed to have gone home by now. What's up?
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  58. # [01:54] <JonathanNeal> I’m just lingering on that toLength bug in Firefox, and I’m wondering if the spec is right to suggest that Infinity should be capped to the max instead of, say, throwing an error.
  59. # [01:55] <JonathanNeal> I can’t think of a scenario when you would intent Infinity to mean something that isn’t Infinity. Do you know why the spec wouldn’t suggest something similar?
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  78. # [02:31] <JonathanNeal> jorendorff: ^
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  235. # [10:44] <caitp-> Today HTML5 is turned into a standard so we can safely say the O.O() will be widely adopted, if it isn't already everywhere.
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  248. # [11:26] <annevk> caitp-: is that a quote?
  249. # [11:26] <caitp-> yes
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  255. # [11:41] <foolip> caitp-: what's O.O()?
  256. # [11:42] <annevk> Object.observe() presumably
  257. # [11:42] <foolip> um, am I right to assume that's part of ES6, not HTML?
  258. # [11:42] <annevk> foolip: yup
  259. # [11:42] <annevk> foolip: ES7 actually
  260. # [11:42] <foolip> well, great quote :)
  261. # [11:42] <annevk> if all goes well
  262. # [11:44] <caitp-> I thought you might find the quote entertaining for a number of reasons
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  286. # [12:40] <annevk> jgraham: http://antirez.com/news/82
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  301. # [13:58] <JonathanNeal> Is # the official or unofficial symbol for .prototype. ? As in Array#every or Element#matches ?
  302. # [14:00] <ondras> it is used in this sense in jsdoc
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  388. # [17:26] <jorendorff> JonathanNeal: no idea
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  446. # [18:16] <Domenic> annevk: https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-nodefilter is a callback interface but it has static properties (constants) which is not allowed according to https://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-callback-interface
  447. # [18:17] <Domenic> annevk: it's unclear to me what the global window.NodeFilter is supposed to be/do
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  449. # [18:18] <Domenic> annevk: I think maybe NodeFilter is an interface but there is also a callback interface containing acceptNode only?
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  451. # [18:20] <Domenic> annevk: I will file a bug
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  475. # [18:42] <SteveF__> Domenic: have forwarded your email to list - thanks, I also talked to Rich about getting the funky list restrictions lifted
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  498. # [19:01] <Domenic> Ms2ger: I am trying to update my web platform tests usage but add_result_callback doesn't exist anymore?
  499. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> Domenic, looking
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  501. # [19:03] <Domenic> hmm testharness.js hasn't been updated in a long time so seems likely the problem is on my end
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  503. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> Or I will when my editor wakes up
  504. # [19:03] <Domenic> oh nevermind that's jgraham's fork that's old
  505. # [19:04] <jgraham> Yeah, don't look at that :)
  506. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> add_result_callback does seem to still be around
  507. # [19:05] <Domenic> yeah, maybe loading testharness.js is failing... probably my problem
  508. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> That could well be it
  509. # [19:06] <Domenic> oh yep i forgot to recursively update my submodules gooood times.
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  512. # [19:07] <jgraham> Yeah, not sure what to do about that
  513. # [19:07] <jgraham> Maybe a script to bootstrap the checkout
  514. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> serve.py checking if you're on the wrong commit?
  515. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> That'd probably be painful, though
  516. # [19:11] <Domenic> it's mostly my fault because jsdom doesn't give good error messages for failing to load a script
  517. # [19:11] <Domenic> testharness.js just plain wasn't present on the filesystem
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  542. # [19:50] <annevk> Domenic: are you more motivated to fix IDL now?
  543. # [19:50] <Domenic> annevk: lol, a bit
  544. # [19:51] <annevk> I forgot about that constants hack, that is quite ugly
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  547. # [20:04] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/28-webapps-minutes.html#item07 (discussion N about URLs, seemed rubys tried to keep it real)
  548. # [20:05] <annevk> One interesting tidbit there Domenic was that the TAG endorses "openstand principles"
  549. # [20:05] <Domenic> annevk: yeah... well, timbl does
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  551. # [20:05] <annevk> Domenic: I see, except when it comes to longdesc or some such :p
  552. # [20:07] <annevk> You see, if the W3C actually followed those principles, the call the chairs of the HTML WG made with W3C management with regards to the 25 formal objections would not have been secret
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  554. # [20:08] <Domenic> annevk: I don't understand the setter part of https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-attr-value
  555. # [20:09] <annevk> Domenic: what's unclear?
  556. # [20:09] <Domenic> annevk: what does step 2 accomplish?
  557. # [20:10] <annevk> Domenic: mutation observers
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  559. # [20:10] <annevk> Domenic: if you follow the "change" link...
  560. # [20:10] <Domenic> oh i didn't realize "change" was a special algorithm, now it all makes sense
  561. # [20:10] <Domenic> I thought it was just trying to reassign "the context object" to a string
  562. # [20:10] <annevk> Hah, there's no cheating, follow all the links :p
  563. # [20:11] <Domenic> meh, see, ES specs are nice and algorithmic; it would be ChangeAttributeValue(this, newValue, oldValue) :P
  564. # [20:12] <annevk> I would be happy to adopt that style some day, once IDL is updated and defines it
  565. # [20:12] <Domenic> yesss jsdom's Attr might be spec compliant
  566. # [20:13] <annevk> I think for now it's too much work to introduce a new style and keep everything up-to-date
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  568. # [20:14] <Domenic> yeah
  569. # [20:14] <Domenic> best for greenfield
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  573. # [20:22] <Domenic> Augh converting a DOM implementation that assumes Attr : Node to one that has standalone Attr objects is hard :(
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  584. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> Domenic, quite
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  587. # [20:33] <annevk> Domenic: note that it's still unclear whether that will stick :(
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  597. # [20:59] <annevk> Hmm, why did reddit.com add target=_blank
  598. # [20:59] <Domenic> Wait, yeah, no browsers have tried this yet
  599. # [20:59] <Domenic> Why am I making jsdom the guinea pig
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  604. # [21:01] <Domenic> annevk: yeah I am scared about pages trying to insert text nodes into Attrs
  605. # [21:01] <annevk> Domenic: that part Mozilla disabled successfully
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  607. # [21:02] <annevk> Domenic: Attr's never have children in Firefox
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  609. # [21:02] <Domenic> nice
  610. # [21:02] <Domenic> our main problem in jsdom is we're carrying around a large currently-passing test suite from the original DOM1 + DOM2 tests
  611. # [21:02] <Domenic> so every time we make a change like this it means going back and modifying or removing a bunch of tests
  612. # [21:02] <Domenic> the alternative is to greenfield everything so we can pass the new web-platform-tests
  613. # [21:03] <Domenic> my gut says that will be harder
  614. # [21:03] <Domenic> but it's very tempting at times
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  616. # [21:04] <Ms2ger> Domenic, fwiw, I've been working on submitting equivalent tests for those to wpt
  617. # [21:04] <smola> annevk: is there any chance that the normalize-to-percent-encoding-to-uppercase thing is included in the standard?
  618. # [21:04] <Domenic> Ms2ger: that would be lovely. Spec-compliant features only?
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  620. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> Domenic, well, all the stuff that's been thrown out is in dom/historical.html in wpt :)
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  642. # [21:50] <klysium> TabAtkins: congrats on HTML5 :D
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  644. # [21:51] <TabAtkins> klysium: Thanks, it was a great achievement for me personally.
  645. # [21:53] <caitp-> is there like a nice, up-to-date fork of blink somewhere that renders nice blame views and history views? that would be nice
  646. # [21:54] <caitp-> s/fork/mirror
  647. # [21:57] <ondras> http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/10/29/974763bdab985db9.jpg
  648. # [21:57] <ondras> oops, bad window
  649. # [21:57] <ondras> sorry.
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  662. # [22:08] <ebureau> lol. nice
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  668. # [22:14] <annevk> smola: perhaps, if we can get other implementations to agree
  669. # [22:14] <annevk> smola: Chrome does some normalization around percent-encoding
  670. # [22:14] <annevk> smola: also other things such as "normalizing" %61 and such
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  682. # [22:29] <annevk> smola: best way to go about it is to file bug reports
  683. # [22:30] <annevk> smola: it may be however that changing casing is not an option and would break some legacy content...
  684. # [22:31] <Domenic> rubys: if you happen to watch logs, is your url parser available as an npm package? if so I may want to use it in jsdom
  685. # [22:31] <Domenic> OK time to write a Streams blog post
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  695. # [22:56] <annevk> foolip: suddenly a surge in <img composite> usage
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  697. # [22:56] <JonathanNeal> Domenic: thoughts on toLength turning infinity into a number? Should it throw instead?
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  704. # [23:02] <Domenic> JonathanNeal: it should not throw; JS doesn't generally throw for that type of thing
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  706. # [23:04] <JonathanNeal> How about a resolve to zero? In the off chance that someone passes in an object with a length of Infinity, it takes a real beating on one's system.
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  708. # [23:05] <JonathanNeal> And Infinity becomes a rather hacky way of writing 9007199254740991
  709. # [23:05] <JonathanNeal> I mean 9007199254740992
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  712. # [23:08] <Domenic> Rounding to the closest allowable length seems fine
  713. # [23:08] <Domenic> annevk: OK I wrote up a blog post, how do I post it?
  714. # [23:09] <Domenic> or Hixie
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  716. # [23:10] <Domenic> TabAtkins: looks like no ability to omit editors in Bikeshed still?
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  719. # [23:12] <TabAtkins> Not yet. File an issue so I won't forget?
  720. # [23:12] <TabAtkins> I can do it tonight.
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  722. # [23:13] <Domenic> I wonder if actually I just want to hide the editor with CSS?
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  725. # [23:13] <Domenic> the metadata seems OK
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  738. # [23:42] <JonathanNeal> My patience for this flash video player constantly stalling w3’s 20th anniversary presentation has really got me blue.
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  740. # [23:42] <JonathanNeal> Somewhat because it’s Flash, and mostly because I can watch it for about 10 minutes before I have to miss 2 minutes waiting for the thing to work again.
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  747. # [23:55] <smola> annevk: ok, thank you
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