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  1. # Session Start: Sat Nov 15 00:00:01 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  10. # [00:15] <rektide> annevk: by 'kind of sucks' do you mean it sucks for people trying to do it, or it sucks that people try to do it?
  11. # [00:15] <rektide> people trying to inspect event emitters
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  25. # [00:51] <Hixie> why do we have a cancelAnimationFrame()?
  26. # [00:51] <Hixie> is that for the times where waiting 16ms is just too long?
  27. # [00:53] <rektide> it could be a very long time if the display is off or with dynamic refresh
  28. # [00:53] <zewt> if you want to shut something down synchronously you don't want to leave things that'll be fired in the future
  29. # [00:53] <rektide> release handles to assets early, release handles to assets often
  30. # [00:54] <zewt> if you have a "startRendering()/stopRendering()" api you don't want stopRendering to have to keep track of whether it needs to ignore the next frame (and then remember to not ignore it anymore if startRendering is called before it)
  31. # [00:55] <zewt> today's web goal: getting rid of autocomplete=off. tomorrow's goal: getting rid of target=_blank
  32. # [00:55] <zewt> (if only)
  33. # [00:56] <rektide> if we can land a robot on a comet, we can get rid of the worst target on the web.
  34. # [00:57] <zewt> i guess a more practical solution would be tab scoping, so windows opened by a tab appear as a secondary row of tabs inside that tab
  35. # [00:57] <zewt> which would make it less obnoxious without actually breaking things
  36. # [00:58] <zewt> i had a coworker ask how to make it so it always opens a window and never a tab :(
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  44. # [02:01] <jamesr_> Hixie: for posterity, it's useful if you want to tear down things that a pending animation frame wants to reference
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  46. # [02:03] <jgraham> zewt: That sounds like tree-style tabs or Opera 9 era UI
  47. # [02:03] <jgraham> Well I guess it was still possible up to 12
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  55. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> As much as target=_blank is occasionally annoying, it's useful in enough cases that I still think it's worthwhile. For example: Twitter.
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  70. # [04:06] <zewt> but 99/100 uses are abusive
  71. # [04:07] <zewt> and really, middle clicking isn't a challenge of dexterity
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  110. # [07:01] <Manishearth> Hixie: around?
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  114. # [07:18] <Manishearth> filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27333 , nvm
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  173. # [12:10] <annevk> rektide: neither
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  182. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> zewt, I don't have a middle mouse button on my touchpad
  183. # [12:46] <annevk> TabAtkins: that Twitter breaks the back button due to its infinite scrolling is what is bad, I think
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  209. # [14:31] <jgraham> gsnedders: You seem to have 3 r+d reviews for html5lib that were never merged
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  214. # [15:16] <gsnedders> jgraham: which?
  215. # [15:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: also I'd rather sort out expected failures before merging anything
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  220. # [15:33] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, can you update the link at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=WebAppsWG&component=DOM ?
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  232. # [16:12] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: ok, changed
  233. # [16:20] <Ms2ger> 有難う
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  243. # [17:17] <smaug____> how do I see older changes to the HTML spec than what https://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker lists?
  244. # [17:18] <smaug____> ah, manually changing the rev number
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  256. # [17:49] <zewt> Ms2ger: that's your/your browser's UI problem
  257. # [17:50] <zewt> (shift-click, right-click/open in tab, etc. are usually the same thing)
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  260. # [17:55] <jsx> Why is fragid 'top' defined in the spec to denote the top of the document, when already just # did that?
  261. # [17:55] <TabAtkins> zewt: Middle clicking is a challenge when you're using a touchpad. Even right-clicking (to hit "Open In New Window" from the menu) is occasionally chancy; I've accidentally single-clicked plenty of times.
  262. # [17:56] <TabAtkins> jsx: # doesn't do that.
  263. # [17:56] <TabAtkins> # does *nothing*. It doesn't take you to the top.
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  266. # [17:57] <jsx> But it does :(
  267. # [17:58] <jsx> TabAtkins: Clicking a link with just # takes you to the page top, right?
  268. # [17:58] <jsx> Am I missing something?
  269. # [17:58] <TabAtkins> Oh, so it does.
  270. # [17:58] <zewt> TabAtkins: the random-new-tab disease is so rampant I'd take a one-time permission thing for the 1% web-app-like applications where it makes sense to the nonsensical, basically random behavior today
  271. # [17:59] <zewt> a strange case: amazon.com's search results open normally ... but amazon.co.jp's search results open new tabs. o_O
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  273. # [18:02] <zewt> "#" is pretty commonly used as a "don't care" placeholder in script-driven links (commonly causing that problem where a broken script won't cancel and lands you at the top); i assume there's some benefit to having one that explicitly means top
  274. # [18:06] <jsx> Oh, so in the future, browsers might just ignore #? I was hoping to know why the spec writers thought defining top was beneficial.
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  276. # [18:06] <zewt> don't know, just conjecturing
  277. # [18:08] <gsnedders> jsx: do browsers currently implement top? have they done for a while? it may well simply be de-facto expected behaviour, and that's why it's speced
  278. # [18:08] <zewt> IE9 does it, so it's probably just defining what browsers do
  279. # [18:09] <jsx> oh, is that what 'normative' means to in specs?
  280. # [18:09] <jsx> *means
  281. # [18:10] <TabAtkins> "normative" means "these are actual rules", as opposed to "informative", which means "we're just explaining stuff here, don't try to get implementation rules out of this section".
  282. # [18:11] <jsx> ok
  283. # [18:11] <jsx> thanks :)
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  319. # [19:27] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568516
  320. # [19:29] <annevk_> Why do we have a bug tracking an out-of-date fork of HTML?
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  323. # [19:37] <GPHemsley> annevk: Because until today no one had edited it for a while.
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