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- # [04:42] <zewt_> middle-clicking links on amazon, opening in same tab because it's not a real link; sad when even Amazon fucks up the basics
- # [04:42] <zewt_> particularly sad because sites like amazon set the standards, so lots of other sites will use it to justify the same screwups
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- # [09:45] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: hmm, works for me. you may want to ask @leaverou as it’s her demo
- # [09:46] <mathiasbynens> tested in Opera 26.0.1656.32 & Chrome 39.0.2171.71 (64-bit) on OS X
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- # [10:05] <zcorpan> running in a private window it shows as not supported again. reloading makes it work
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- # [16:05] <annevk> Can someone reach out to https://twitter.com/arslancb/status/539891265161015296 please?
- # [16:06] <foolip> annevk: do you understand the request?
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- # [16:07] <annevk> cool :-)
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- # [17:59] <annevk> The amount of URL politics emails :-(
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- # [18:00] <rubys> annevk: tell me about it.
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- # [18:15] <Domenic> annevk: haha nice reply to www-tag
- # [18:18] <tantek> Domenic: URL?
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- # [18:19] <Ms2ger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/latest
- # [18:19] <Domenic> tantek: thread starts at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Dec/0005.html, only a few short replies to get to the good stuff
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- # [18:19] <tantek> Ms2ger - I see you like support forums
- # [18:20] <Ms2ger> I do
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- # [18:41] <roc> Ms2ger: are you at the Mozilla meeting in Portland?
- # [18:41] <Domenic> Rubys: why is the copy hosted on w3ctag? At the last f2f the TAG agreed to abandon url copying as a work item.
- # [18:41] <Ms2ger> roc, I'm not, sadly
- # [18:41] <Ms2ger> Domenic, host everything everywhere!
- # [18:42] <rubys> Domenic: ask Daniel Appelquist.
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- # [18:43] <rubys> Ms2ger: my goal is to work with everybody. I plan to meet with the W3C Director in 1Q 2015 and challenge the need for a w3c copy.
- # [18:43] <rubys> I'd like that discussion to be based on facts, not fears.
- # [18:44] <Domenic> rubys: in that case the answer is "because we didn't delete it yet"…
- # [18:45] <rubys> Domenic: no. Since the TAG decision, I talked to Daniel. He added me to that repository for exactly this purpose.
- # [18:45] <Domenic> Oh :/
- # [18:45] <Domenic> Ms2ger: I think the goal is to beat canvas for total number of distinct copies
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- # [18:53] <gsnedders> who's up for hand-executing the parser spec going bug hunting? because I don't have all the table and foreign content stuff in my head atm, and this is both
- # [18:54] <gsnedders> your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to parse "<table><th><math><td></tr>" and find out if any of the spec's notes are wrong
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- # [19:01] <gsnedders> ok, this is a bug in Gumbo I'm pretty sure
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- # [19:07] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, a degree?!
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- # [19:13] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, I've been trying to get us to write a table layout spec for as long as I've been involved with Servo :)
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- # [19:13] <TabAtkins> I'm going to pretend that continuing to yell at people will eventually work.
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- # [19:14] <rubys> TabAtkins: is there a way to say "none" for Level in bikeshed metadata?
- # [19:14] <TabAtkins> https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/pull/264
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- # [19:15] <TabAtkins> Some statuses are unlevelled, but all the W3Cish statuses require a level currently.
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- # [19:15] <TabAtkins> Can you use one of the unlevelled statuses, or do you need a non-leveled W3C status? And if you do, do you really think there won't be a v2?
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- # [19:17] <annevk> Ms2ger: you're working on table layout? Bless you
- # [19:17] <rubys> TabAtkins: I added comments to that pull request; for all I know, the W3C URL Standard won't live beyond 1Q2015.
- # [19:17] <Ms2ger> annevk, I'm shouting at people who do
- # [19:17] <annevk> This morning I saw some of the work smontagu has done on vertical layout, it looks really great
- # [19:17] <annevk> And apparently you can play with in Nightly by flipping a pref
- # [19:17] <Ms2ger> I hear such things
- # [19:17] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: a whole degree!
- # [19:18] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, congratulations!
- # [19:18] <rubys> TabAtkins: meanwhile, I have a near term need. I actually had briefly patched bikeshed myself (differently, but the same result).
- # [19:19] <TabAtkins> rubys: Oh, that pubrules error making you request this isn't an issue with the version at all, it's an issue with pubrules having a broken "looks like a date" regex. Not actually a pubrules violation.
- # [19:20] <rubys> TabAtkins: ok. I'll push back.
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- # [19:21] <TabAtkins> For publishing in the W3C, you should be following CSSWG practice - publish under url-1, and simultaneously have a 302 redirect from url to url-1.
- # [19:21] <TabAtkins> rubys: Yeah, we run into that violation constantly when publishing in the CSSWG.
- # [19:22] <rubys> I'll let PLH decide. He clearly is up-to-speed on what CSS does.
- # [19:23] <TabAtkins> rubys: Don't let him "decide" without prompting - we have to remind the pub team every single time, or else they publish under something random.
- # [19:24] <rubys> TabAtkins: gotcha. I will follow up.
- # [19:24] <TabAtkins> Hm, wondering why the copyright is flagging a markup difference. You doing that manually?
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- # [19:28] <rubys> TabAtkins: got confirmation with PLH that the '-1' and 302 redirect is not a problem.
- # [19:28] <rubys> TabAtkins: yes, I have a copyright.include. See https://github.com/w3ctag/url/tree/develop
- # [19:28] <TabAtkins> Didn't think it would be. ^_^
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- # [19:29] <TabAtkins> Ah, kk. Just normalize it to the pubrules markup to make it shut up on that error.
- # [19:29] <TabAtkins> And the namespace thing is a constant error. It's a bug in pubrules, basically.
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- # [19:48] <rubys> TabAtkins: there is a new pubrules implementation that will roll out in January
- # [19:48] <TabAtkins> Yeah, been tracking it somewhat.
- # [19:48] <rubys> TabAtkins: it is written in JS, not XSLT. And will accept pull requests. :-)
- # [19:49] <TabAtkins> It's listed on https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/publish as something to play with.
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- # [20:05] <zcorpan> wouldn't it be funny if chrome started respecting <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge,chrome=1"/> ?
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- # [20:07] <TabAtkins> No.
- # [20:07] <Ms2ger> No.
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- # [20:45] <terinjokes> TabAtkins: thanks for the merge. strange, indeed, but at least the images are now on a CDN
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- # [20:52] <TabAtkins> np, thanks for the PR
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- # [22:28] <Hixie> zcorpan: http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg-img uses id="embedded-content-0"
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- # [22:34] <Hixie> anyone got a non-snarky name for x-ua-compatible?
- # [22:35] <caitp> i'm not sure I have a non-snarky name for anything :(
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- # [22:35] <annevk> Hixie: sounds like about:legacy-compat
- # [22:36] <Hixie> yeah
- # [22:36] <Hixie> i don't understand why it's necessary
- # [22:36] <Hixie> does IE really not default to standards mode?
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- # [22:38] <TabAtkins> Hixie: It does, sometimes, unless you're in a certain Zone, or your site is on certain blacklists, or etc
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- # [22:38] <TabAtkins> And x-ua-compatible overrides those heuristics.
- # [22:38] <TabAtkins> Except when it doesn't.
- # [22:38] <Hixie> jesus wept
- # [22:38] <Hixie> i'm looking at the documentation now
- # [22:38] <Hixie> what manner of hell has the IE team wrought upon themselves
- # [22:39] <TabAtkins> They're perfectly aware of what hell they're experiencing. They just weren't willing to move to a fast auto-update model, which minimizes the pain.
- # [22:39] <TabAtkins> At least, not at the time.
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- # [22:39] <Hixie> well i imagine they're aware of it, yes
- # [22:39] <caitp> i totally didn't need the "jesus wept" imagery in my head right now :'( --- but I think they're doing a good job of doing things better now
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- # [22:39] <TabAtkins> So "let's just ship all five versions of our browsers at once" inexplicably became the sanest answer left.
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- # [22:41] <Hixie> <sarcasm> i wonder if anyone predicted this mess back when they first suggested the whole idea </sarcasm>
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- # [22:42] <gsnedders> https://html5.org/r/8869 is empty?
- # [22:42] <Hixie> odd
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- # [22:45] <gsnedders> Hixie: I got confused at <sarcasm>, but I took a deep breath at the end so I'm okay now.
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- # [22:46] <Hixie> oh apparently i didn't save the file before the last checkin, d'oh
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- # [22:54] <annevk> Hixie: IE defaults to standards mode now, but has not always done that
- # [22:54] <annevk> Ah you guys covered that
- # [22:54] <annevk> I think the commit looks good
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- # [23:00] <Hixie> does hallvord's spec define onpaste and co?
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- # [23:02] <annevk> Hixie: it defines that there's a paste event
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- # [23:02] <annevk> Hixie: it doesn't define the corresponding event handler
- # [23:02] <annevk> Hixie: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/clipops/clipops.html
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- # [23:03] <Hixie> where do i file bugs on this spec
- # [23:03] <Hixie> it fires beforecopy without saying what the target is
- # [23:04] <Hixie> and uses "context" without saying what it means :-(
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- # [23:14] <MikeSmith> Hixie: bugzilla
- # [23:14] <MikeSmith> first component at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=WebAppsWG
- # [23:15] <Hixie> too late, i mailed him
- # [23:15] <Hixie> :-)
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- # [23:15] <MikeSmith> that works too
- # [23:16] <MikeSmith> hallvord should hang around on IRC more
- # [23:16] <MikeSmith> I know he's capable because when I was at opera I could get ahold of him on opera irc
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