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- # Session Start: Sat Dec 06 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #whatwg
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- # [00:19] <astearns_> Domenic: there are "simple" transforms proposed (AFAIK not implemented) that would let you set separate translate, rotate and scale along with the current transform property
- # [00:19] <Domenic> astearns_: yeah, saw those too... would be pretty sweet.
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- # [00:47] <iamstef> Domenic: esnext is also pretty slow
- # [00:47] <iamstef> because recast is slow
- # [00:47] <Domenic> yepyep
- # [00:48] <iamstef> esnext es6-module-transpiler bundle format is whats keeping me around atm
- # [00:48] <iamstef> as is eventualbuddha being a solid guy
- # [00:48] <iamstef> but i am concerned about recast
- # [00:48] <terinjokes> does the common-interop export stuff in 6to5 not work?
- # [00:48] <terinjokes> not work for you*
- # [00:48] <iamstef> re: perf and the lack of movement on that front
- # [00:49] <iamstef> terinjokes: ?
- # [00:49] <terinjokes> https://github.com/6to5/6to5/blob/v1.14.6/doc/modules.md#common-interop
- # [00:50] <iamstef> im unsure what the context of your question is
- # [00:50] <terinjokes> i might be misunderstanding the convo though, if so ignore me
- # [00:50] <iamstef> the bundle format essentially aggressively re-writes and re-orders content to remove the need for a costly loader
- # [00:50] <iamstef> i dont think this is related to the interopt story
- # [00:53] <iamstef> lets see what happens but if in the next while no movement happens on the perf front i may re-consider a different solution
- # [00:53] <iamstef> i dont have the bandwidth to work on that
- # [00:54] <iamstef> Domenic: any ideas of the traceur guys would consider something like the bundle format?
- # [00:54] <Domenic> iamstef: yeah it's been on the to-do list for a while
- # [00:54] <Domenic> arv ^
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- # [00:55] <iamstef> ya we all need to actually grab beer or something soon
- # [00:55] <iamstef> we keep trying to do something but noone is in town at the same time
- # [00:55] <iamstef> the ny chrome team that is
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- # [01:35] <@MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2014/automotive/data_spec.html
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- # [01:36] <@MikeSmith> Domenic: the TAG might want to start looking at http://www.w3.org/2014/automotive/data_spec.html
- # [01:37] <Domenic> hmmm
- # [01:41] <@MikeSmith> yeah, offered without comment
- # [01:42] <@MikeSmith> but in the context of the fact there's a related draft charter for a WG (not just CG) http://www.w3.org/2014/automotive/charter.html
- # [01:44] <Domenic> i mean, having a hard time seeing browsers implement this, which drastically decreases my cares
- # [01:46] <@MikeSmith> at this point, just that alone would be constructive feedback
- # [01:47] <Domenic> hmm, noted
- # [01:47] <@MikeSmith> though I can imagine one or more vendors that seemed to be interested in this stuff and that have engineers hacking on blink/webkit forks might end up hacking this into a fork that they actually shiop from. wouldn't be the first time
- # [01:47] <@MikeSmith> *seem to be
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- # [01:47] <Domenic> world wide "web" consortium, eh? ;)
- # [01:48] <@MikeSmith> for some definition of "web"
- # [01:49] <@MikeSmith> btw somewhat related I like JakeA's "URL-driven Web" better than "drive-by Web" that others on the chrome team were tossing around in the past
- # [01:49] <@MikeSmith> where both are used just to mean the actual Web
- # [01:50] <@MikeSmith> as opposed to other things that aren't really the Web at all
- # [01:51] <@MikeSmith> context: https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/540420208960483330
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- # [08:36] <JakeA> MikeSmith: although I guess packaged web apps still have URLs, but they're more of by-product. I just really didn't want to say "drive-by web"
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- # [10:23] <@MikeSmith> JakeA: yeah understood
- # [10:24] <@MikeSmith> JakeA: and btw we need books to be on the Web too, with URLs, and readable in browsers
- # [10:25] <@MikeSmith> let's make 2015 the year that happens too
- # [10:25] <@MikeSmith> no more music by the suckers
- # [10:25] <JakeA> MikeSmith: where does html + print stylesheets fall short in that regard?
- # [10:26] <wilhelm_> JakeA: Paging. Columns. Some common design patterns.
- # [10:26] <@MikeSmith> yeah
- # [10:26] <@MikeSmith> the paged-media stuff
- # [10:27] <@MikeSmith> JakeA: but it's not so much that we're falling shor technically there, it's the the whole ebook publishing industry is currently structured around forcing users into user-hostile off-Web "reading system" applications (e.g., with no ability to copy text)
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- # [10:46] <JakeA> True
- # [10:47] <JakeA> wilhelm_: CSS has paging and columns right?
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- # [15:17] <annevk> Ah okay, used as pleonasm
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