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# [03:29] <MikeSmith> TLS 1.0 support is disabled for whatwg.org, right?
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# [03:30] <MikeSmith> ah no I mean the other way around
# [03:30] <MikeSmith> 1.1 and 1.2 not supported
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# [07:41] <annevk> MikeSmith: should get fixed this quarter by DreamHost
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# [08:23] <MikeSmith> annevk: ah ok yeah I vaguely remember asking about this earlier
# [08:23] <annevk> MikeSmith: sorry you had to fix all that URL bug spam
# [08:23] <MikeSmith> no worries
# [08:23] <MikeSmith> I should have caught it before I did
# [08:24] <annevk> MikeSmith: I initially thought a bunch of actual work happened
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> I wasn't checking my e-mail earlier today
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> hahah
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> yah me too
# [08:24] <annevk> so naïve
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> haha
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> no, you're an optimist
# [08:24] <MikeSmith> glass half full and all that
# [08:25] <MikeSmith> most of the time
# [08:25] <MikeSmith> that's why people love you
# [08:26] <MikeSmith> annevk: so btw are you aware of any trend with sites disabling TLS 1.0 support?
# [08:26] <MikeSmith> or any guidance that suggests doing that?
# [08:27] <MikeSmith> I understand sites disabling SSLv3
# [08:27] <annevk> MikeSmith: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS#Modern_compatibility
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# [08:28] <annevk> MikeSmith: Adam Langley keeps saying this btw: "This seems like a good moment to reiterate that everything less than TLS 1.2 with an AEAD cipher suite is cryptographically broken."
# [08:29] <MikeSmith> that seems pretty drastic
# [08:30] <MikeSmith> and I hope it's not true
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# [08:30] <MikeSmith> I wonder there's some risk of boy-who-cried-wolf right now around some of the rhetoric with regard to TLS
# [08:31] <MikeSmith> it alienates some people who would otherwise be more receptive and open-minded
# [08:31] <annevk> Adam Langley knows what he's talking about, but cryptographically broken doesn't mean that attacks are necessarily feasible I believe
# [08:31] <MikeSmith> or maybe it's needed to wake more people up, I dunno
# [08:31] <MikeSmith> ok
# [08:32] <annevk> There's certainly a lot of weird rhetoric found on www-tag...
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# [08:32] <MikeSmith> well that's crazy town out there
# [08:32] <MikeSmith> those two guys
# [08:32] <MikeSmith> it's like a comedy act
# [08:33] <annevk> The biggest hurdle is Mixed Content
# [08:33] <MikeSmith> yup
# [08:34] <MikeSmith> certainly I know that for trying to move all of w3.org to TLS that's a major issue
# [08:35] <MikeSmith> but there are other costly content-migration issues with it
# [08:35] <MikeSmith> that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or can't be
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# [08:36] <annevk> But W3C doesn't have that much embedded stuff, does it?
# [08:36] <annevk> Most resources seem same-origin
# [08:37] <annevk> W3C could at least start by not redirecting away from HTTPS
# [08:38] <MikeSmith> yeah w3c doesn't have nearly has much embedded content per page as other sites (as far as the mixed-content issue goes) but it still has tons of pages with small amounts
# [08:39] <MikeSmith> especially stylesheets
# [08:39] <MikeSmith> yeah I don't understand why w3c is still redirecting away from HTTPS
# [08:40] <MikeSmith> but I do know that the w3c systems team is having a lot of discussions about how to deal with this stuff, and deployment plans for the coming months
# [08:42] <MikeSmith> anyway, about TLS 1.0 on the server side, in practice right now, disabling TLS 1.0 server support means that a lot of clients aren't going to be able to access your content, right?
# [08:42] <MikeSmith> (let alone disabling TLS 1.1 support)
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# [08:43] <MikeSmith> in other news I see that WebKit is planning to remove their Shared Workers code (after having stopped shipping it some time back)
# [08:44] <MikeSmith> dunno how big of a difference any of that is, given no support for Shared Workers on any mobile UAs, nor in IE
# [08:45] <Ms2ger> Not even in Servo
# [08:45] <annevk> If they ever want service workers... But from that email it seemed like the current implementation was not going to work for that anyway
# [08:46] <annevk> MikeSmith: not sure what TLSv10 is needed for
# [08:47] <MikeSmith> annevk: I thought it was that some UAs still only have TLSv10 support, and no v11 or v12 support
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# [08:49] <MikeSmith> hmm I see nobody even asked for Shared Workers support at https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-internet-explorer-platform?query=Shared
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# [08:49] <MikeSmith> though Service Worker got a ton of votes
# [08:49] <MikeSmith> https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-internet-explorer-platform?query=worker
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# [09:14] <hemanth> meow
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# [09:36] <MikeSmith> opensearch plugin this looks pretty cool
# [09:37] <MikeSmith> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27754 from Domenic
# [09:37] <MikeSmith> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox
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# [09:39] <MikeSmith> works in Chrome too http://browserfame.com/2071/opensearch-plugin-chrome
# [09:39] <MikeSmith> though the UI isn't as discoverable
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# [10:39] <annevk> http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearch/1.1/ is dead
# [10:39] <annevk> namespaces \o/
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# [10:41] <annevk> http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/1.1
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# [13:14] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163050 "Create New HTML Tag: <BLINQUEE>"
# [13:14] <annevk> Status: VERIFIED FIXED
# [13:14] <annevk> Whiteboard: notfixed
# [13:14] <annevk> (via smontagu on another server)
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# [13:22] <hemanth> meow
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# [13:53] <hemanth> annevk, if you are around, after extending the image element, i tried <img is="myImg"> that did not work either :(
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# [14:17] <annevk> hemanth: works for me
# [14:18] <annevk> document.registerElement('test-img', { prototype: { someattribute: "x" }, extends: 'img' })
# [14:18] <annevk> var test = document.createElement("img", "test-img")
# [14:18] <annevk> test.src = "image"
# [14:18] <annevk> document.body.appendChild(test)
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# [14:33] <hemanth> annevk, I have done class TestImage extends HTMLImageElement {}
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# [14:34] <annevk> hemanth: when everyone said yesterday that class X extends Y {} doesn't work for anything but custom classes they were not joking around
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# [14:36] <hemanth> heh heh I got that point annevk, but i'm able to emulate it, with backgourdimage attr
# [14:36] <hemanth> I just mentioned that with is="" thinge as well, this.src didn't work
# [14:37] <annevk> it does if you follow the rules
# [14:38] <hemanth> :)
# [14:39] * hemanth passes annevk some iced tea ^_^
# [14:40] <hemanth> I'm sorry if I annoyed you annevk, I do remember yesterday's discussions
# [14:41] <annevk> hemanth: no worries, I was happy to try it out
# [14:42] <hemanth> :)
# [14:46] <hemanth> annevk, BTW http://jsfiddle.net/gnumanth/a08wghyk/ is what I have done, //cc'ing caitp as well. ( ugly? )
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# [14:49] <hemanth> that's transpiled using 6to5
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# [15:01] <darobin> hemanth: that's actually pretty nice code for something transpiled; I'm guessing it's not using that many 6 features?
# [15:02] <hemanth> darobin, it's using classes and template strings, hang on ill pass the code
# [15:02] <MikeSmith> I heard ES6 classes are going to kill us all
# [15:02] <gsnedders> I heard MikeSmith was going to kill us all. :)
# [15:02] <hemanth> MikeSmith, heh heh debatable
# [15:03] * hemanth is already dead ;)
# [15:03] <MikeSmith> class-ical inheritance bugbear
# [15:03] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: I kill with kindness
# [15:03] <hemanth> I hope FP will lead kindly to light ;)
# [15:05] <MikeSmith> dunno what FP is
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# [15:05] <MikeSmith> wonder if I want to know
# [15:05] <hemanth> Functional Programming, MikeSmith you already know ;)
# [15:05] <darobin> MikeSmith: run before you get evangelised :)
# [15:05] <darobin> ruuuuuuuuun!!!
# [15:05] <MikeSmith> ah
# [15:05] <hemanth> heh heh
# [15:05] <hemanth> The fantasy land
# [15:06] * hemanth takes MikeSmith on a ride to the fantasy land
# [15:06] * darobin didn't know MikeSmith was allowed *out* of fantasy land
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# [15:07] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, joooooiiiiin uuuuuuuuuus
# [15:07] <MikeSmith> I'm not smart enough for functional programming
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# [15:08] <MikeSmith> plus, I actually like side effects
# [15:08] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, we've got plenty imperative :)
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# [15:08] <jgraham> For once I wish I lived in a more religious — or at least more Christian — country so we could have today as a holiday. Or, I suppose, a less religious country that still had it as a holiday (e.g. Sweden)
# [15:08] <gsnedders> side-effects are horrible!
# [15:09] <MikeSmith> side effects are what makes life interesting
# [15:09] <MikeSmith> jgraham: where is this day a holiday?
# [15:09] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Not here :(
# [15:10] <gsnedders> jgraham: what, you English people get your Yule Log today!
# [15:10] <MikeSmith> Catholic holiday I guess
# [15:10] <gsnedders> Why did I capitalise that?
# [15:10] <jgraham> Not unless the Scandinavians suddenly went catholic on me
# [15:10] <MikeSmith> oh holy god
# [15:10] <MikeSmith> Epiphany
# [15:11] <MikeSmith> it's like, the very best religious holiday of all
# [15:11] <gsnedders> Wikipedia makes it sound like yule logs should be Twelfth Night and not today.
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# [15:11] <gsnedders> Oh well. Anglicans!
# [15:12] <annevk> Is there any point in having <img is=...> once X extends HTMLImageElement {} actually works?
# [15:12] <jgraham> gsnedders: I am having great difficulty not making faecal jokes
# [15:13] <jgraham> annevk: I thought the point was so the declarative sematics were preserved
# [15:13] <hemanth> annevk, readability ?
# [15:13] <jgraham> *semantics
# [15:13] <gsnedders> jgraham: well it's not my problem that you English people bring them upon yourselves!
# [15:14] <jgraham> Yule logs?
# [15:14] <jgraham> Well that's the effect of a protein-rich diet…
# [15:14] <hemanth> Ok, here I go -> http://h3manth.com/new/blog/2015/custom-elements-with-es6/
# [15:14] <hemanth> darobin, ^
# [15:15] * hemanth runs and hides behind the tree before annevk et.al gets angry and throw stones at me, meow ^_^
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# [15:24] <caitp> heh =)
# [15:25] * hemanth slowly moves near caitp, any comments ;) ?
# [15:26] <caitp> i mean, I guess it works for the browsers that support custom elements
# [15:26] <hemanth> :)
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# [15:32] <darobin> hemanth: this.textContent = 'Today's date: ' <- probably doesn't work right :)
# [15:32] <Ms2ger> *et al.
# [15:32] <hemanth> darobin, what would you suggest?
# [15:32] <darobin> hemanth: escaping the ' in "Today's"?
# [15:33] <caitp> apparently in Safari, interfaces are not "function" but "object", too
# [15:33] <hemanth> darobin, yikes, ha, that's done in the jsfiddle, not in the text, thanks editing
# [15:33] <darobin> I guessed as much :)
# [15:33] <caitp> not that it has custom elements, but it dies earlier
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# [15:34] <caitp> but, even if it did, I think Object.create(HTMLImageElement.prototype) would break whenever you tried to access `src`
# [15:35] <darobin> hemanth: I'm happy to see that the transpiler does such a nice job; I mean you're not using *that* much but still
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# [15:35] <caitp> yeah, other than shadowing `src`, that wouldn't work :(
# [15:37] <hemanth> darobin, :)
# [15:37] <caitp> actually I'm wrong, apparently JSC tries to use the IDL-defined accessor before letting you shadow it
# [15:37] <hemanth> caitp, that's the sad part...
# [15:37] <caitp> so it just doesn't work at all
# [15:37] <gsnedders> browsers!
# [15:37] <gsnedders> who writes this nonsense!
# [15:37] <darobin> gsnedders++ # <3
# [15:38] <hemanth> I was curios about how Domenic would make the custom-img element
# [15:38] <hemanth> gsnedders, :D
# [15:38] <darobin> easy
# [15:38] <gsnedders> pff, I'm sure I could write a better browser than you guys!
# [15:38] <darobin> step 1) patch Chrome
# [15:38] <darobin> step 2) profit
# [15:39] <gsnedders> darobin: I think you missed the ???
# [15:40] <darobin> gsnedders: the ??? ?
# [15:40] <darobin> this could get meta
# [15:40] <gsnedders> that's what step 2 is!
# [15:40] <Ms2ger> darobin!
# [15:40] <gsnedders> the big where somehow you convince Google to accept your patch
# [15:41] <darobin> Ms2ger! My long-lost love!
# [15:41] <gsnedders> d'awww
# [15:41] <gsnedders> so romance
# [15:41] <darobin> gsnedders: you missed the fact where Domenic works for Google :)
# [15:41] <darobin> (that sell-out)
# [15:41] <gsnedders> darobin: still has to convince them to ship it!
# [15:41] <Ms2ger> darobin, com'ere and review my tests!
# [15:42] <darobin> gsnedders: bah, we all know how shipping works at any company no matter how big; that can't be more than a few beers away
# [15:42] <gsnedders> darobin: I mean does he have a spec that's public *before* IO?
# [15:42] <caitp> well he's gonna get them to ship A.p.includes, so surely that's good enough
# [15:43] <darobin> Ms2ger: finish reviewing my test you dropped off of in the middle of the issue discussion :)
# [15:43] <darobin> Ms2ger: also, I need to look at your comments on the GH issues you closed
# [15:43] <Ms2ger> darobin, link
# [15:43] <darobin> gsnedders: who said the spec can't be in C++ :)
# [15:43] <darobin> Ms2ger: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=9822
# [15:43] <gsnedders> darobin: I DID.
# [15:44] <Ms2ger> darobin, your answer appears to be beside my point
# [15:45] <darobin> Ms2ger: then we're talking past one another — you're saying the tests worked in Gecko when you wrote them but they don't now, and they don't work elsewhere
# [15:45] <Ms2ger> darobin, I said it worked, not that it passed
# [15:45] <darobin> okay, but elsewhere it's not that they fail, it's that they blow up on an unrelated problem
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# [15:46] <Ms2ger> Right, and that unrelated bug is still a bug
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# [15:46] <darobin> I don't think it's a good idea to have tests test something unrelated
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# [15:46] <darobin> we can get those tests to actually test something independently of other bugs
# [15:47] <darobin> which is the information they're after
# [15:47] <darobin> if you have issues with how data: and cross-origin interact, that's something for another test
# [15:48] <darobin> this is actually obscuring passes
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# [15:53] <gsnedders> is there any way to per spec get the tentative pre-parse encoding and the final encoding from the parser to be different?
# [15:53] <gsnedders> without relying on how many bytes the pre-parse does?
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# [15:57] <darobin> gah, submodules!!!
# [15:57] <caitp> huh, I guess you can't shadow accessor properties at all
# [15:57] <caitp> I did not know that
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# [16:08] <Ms2ger> darobin, all tests test unrelated things
# [16:08] <darobin> Ms2ger: yeah, I know the rhetoric
# [16:08] <Ms2ger> Whatever
# [16:08] <darobin> but this one happens to test something unrelated that doesn't work in most places, and is trivially fixed
# [16:08] <darobin> I don't see what the problem is with fixing that
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# [16:10] <darobin> Ms2ger: sorry but I really don't see what's making you grumpy about this, it's nice when tests work I think...
# [16:10] <darobin> unless you're grumpy because some browsers suck, which is, well, a good point
# [16:13] <jgraham> I assumed that being generally grumpy about browsers was why we all did this
# [16:13] <jgraham> It's GDD
# [16:13] <darobin> lol
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# [16:18] <darobin> Ms2ger: oh, that's so very nice of you to reclose a PR I just reopened without leaving time for discussion
# [16:18] <darobin> very mature and all
# [16:18] <darobin> friendly, all that
# [16:18] <darobin> welcoming, etc — everything that makes working on web tech a great place!
# [16:19] <Ms2ger> darobin, the test is correct, I told you so when I first closed the PR, and you reopened it without discussion
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# [16:19] <darobin> I reopened it so that it would take the rebase into account
# [16:19] <Ms2ger> Why rebase? It's wrong
# [16:20] <darobin> s/rebase/merge/
# [16:21] <darobin> now, I could easily be lost in the test code but it looks to me like this isn't a case in which defaulting to the XHTML namespace applies
# [16:21] <darobin> and this fails in every single engine
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# [16:22] <jgraham> It is possible for the test to be right and still fail in every engine
# [16:22] <jgraham> (note: I have no idea what test you are talking about)
# [16:22] <darobin> jgraham: that I know, and I could be reading either of the code or the spec wrong since both have some degree of indirection
# [16:24] <darobin> and indeed, I now see that I had read the code wrong
# [16:25] * darobin looks for a spec bug
# [16:26] <Ms2ger> darobin, it's created through createElement, so it's in the HTML namespace per spec
# [16:26] <darobin> Ms2ger: yes, I had misread indeed — which is why I'm looking for a spec bug
# [16:26] <annevk> jgraham: if that's the only reason there's no reason to support is="" in createElement()
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# [16:29] <jgraham> annevk: That makes sense I think
# [16:29] <annevk> Perhaps for serialization? But at some point this starts to break down...
# [16:29] <darobin> ah, right, I recall https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19431
# [16:29] <darobin> it looks like implementers haven't weighed in much either way :)
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# [16:55] <annevk> darobin: euhm
# [16:55] <annevk> darobin: it's not like implementations agree with each other today
# [16:55] <annevk> darobin: or did that change?
# [16:55] <darobin> annevk: well, it depends on what aspect of the whole Document mess. It looks like they all have XMLDocument.createElement() return an element with a null ns
# [16:56] <darobin> on other parts it is still a complete mindfuck
# [16:56] <annevk> How do you even create an XMLDocument?
# [16:57] <darobin> sorry, a Document in XML mode
# [16:57] <annevk> That doesn't really seem like something we could meaningfully define
# [16:57] <darobin> ?
# [16:58] <annevk> wouldn't that break createElement() in XHTML documents?
# [16:59] <darobin> doesn't everything break that :)
# [16:59] <annevk> not necessarily
# [17:00] <annevk> not as they exist today :p
# [17:00] <darobin> seriously though, document.implementation.createDocument(null, null).createElement("foo").namespaceURI returns null pretty consistently
# [17:00] <annevk> that's a pretty specific case, too
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# [17:02] <darobin> annevk: yes, I was just saying that maybe the bits that are aligned can be spec'ed as such; it doesn't look like there's a lot of movement to solve the full list of issues around document dependence
# [17:03] <darobin> you argument that have the same Documet behaviour across MIME types is a good one, but I'm not sure it really has that much impact in the real world
# [17:03] <darobin> maybe I'm not seeing all the corner cases, but libs are already broken there anyway
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# [17:05] <darobin> last I check jQuery needed a plugin in order to do anything useful in SVG for instance
# [17:05] <annevk> it seems hard to change the behavior of just that case
# [17:06] <annevk> without doing silly things with flags that match what no implementation has today either
# [17:07] <darobin> annevk: actually, looking more closely that case *is* on XMLDocument
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# [17:08] <darobin> annevk: I think changing this specific issue is relatively minor; but my interest was more along the lines of thinking about what the minimum victory could be for the broader Document mess
# [17:08] <annevk> darobin: it's unclear whether implementations use that interface elsehwere too so hanging things off that seems unwise
# [17:08] <annevk> darobin: there's a distinct bug for that
# [17:08] <darobin> annevk: you mean for the Document mess? yes I know
# [17:09] <darobin> I was mostly wondering if chipping away some of the tentacles might not render the larger issue either moot or more tractable
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# [17:09] <darobin> well, Gecko does still have XMLDocument.load() but you guys should really remove that because no one else has it
# [17:10] * darobin wonders if there's much "instanceof XMLDocument" out there
# [17:11] <annevk> darobin: file a bug on load()?
# [17:11] <darobin> annevk: there's one already, it's oooold
# [17:11] <annevk> Yahoo Mail might be the last one out there
# [17:11] <annevk> darobin: pointer?
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# [17:12] <darobin> there's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775480 but that's not the one I was thinking of
# [17:14] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330771
# [17:15] <tomvg> annevk: do you know if the context property of the Request class from the Fetch API (https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#requestcontext) is implemented in some browser? I checked Chrome Canary and FF nightly, but couldn't find it - maybe I missed something?
# [17:16] <annevk> tomvg: I'm not sure, haven't paid much attention to Fetch et al recently
# [17:17] <annevk> tomvg: if bits are landed in browsers now it could very well be that some of the more complicated parts are left out
# [17:17] <annevk> tomvg: I recommend filing bugs with use cases
# [17:18] <tomvg> don't have a specific use case at the moment, just a keen interest :)
# [17:19] <tomvg> I'll dig a bit deeper first
# [17:20] <darobin> annevk: that's not the one either; there's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=494705 but it's marked fixed due to the patch that now warns for its usage
# [17:20] <darobin> (but I'm sure that's not the bug either, the one I recall had bz in it)
# [17:24] <annevk> darobin: so are you sure it's not in other browsers?
# [17:24] <annevk> darobin: I found a couple of related bugs that would get fixed due to removal...
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# [17:25] <darobin> annevk: pretty sure, I can triple-check tomorrow if you want.
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# [17:28] <annevk> darobin: using "load" in document.implementation.createDocument("", "", null) confirmed for Chrome and IE
# [17:28] <annevk> and Safari
# [17:28] <darobin> wha?
# [17:28] <annevk> that it isn't there
# [17:28] <darobin> oh
# [17:29] <darobin> you got me scared that reality had been rebooted for a second there
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# [17:33] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983090 seems to be the relevant bug
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# [18:17] <MikeSmith> annevk: https://twitter.com/auchenberg/status/552501350102487042
# [18:18] <MikeSmith> "I switched kenneth.io to HTTPS, and now my embedded JSfiddles broke. No SSL, @jsfiddle? Any free alternatives?"
# [18:18] <MikeSmith> there are no free alternatives afaik
# [18:18] <Domenic> jsbin
# [18:19] <MikeSmith> Domenic: I thought jsbin was even more we-intentionally-aren't-gonna-do-TLS
# [18:19] <Domenic> hmm yeah i guess pro accounts only http://jsbin.com/help/ssl
# [18:20] <MikeSmith> ah
# [18:20] <MikeSmith> well, glad they offer that at least
# [18:20] <caitp> i think plnkr.co is tls-happy, iirc
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# [18:20] <caitp> maybe not
# [18:20] <MikeSmith> codepen's not either afaik
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# [18:21] <MikeSmith> hey there's another reason for more sites to move to TLS as an alternative
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# [18:21] <MikeSmith> more revenue
# [18:21] <MikeSmith> (only half joking)
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# [18:31] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, live dom viewer? :)
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# [19:10] <MikeSmith> annevk: because they don't have it? and I don't know why not
# [19:10] <MikeSmith> https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?ss=&pg=0&so=&rw=1&jid=166914&jlang=EN&pp=SS
# [19:10] <MikeSmith> "You love debugging minifed javascript code for your own pleasure"
# [19:11] <MikeSmith> sounds like Hallvord wrote this job description
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# [19:15] <jgraham> "comfortable dealing with negative perception"
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# [19:28] <MikeSmith> jgraham: typo there
# [19:28] <MikeSmith> I think they meant "dealing out"
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# [19:33] <annevk> MikeSmith: no excuses!
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# [19:59] <annevk> Might have overused the word "sad"
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# [21:08] <wanderview> annevk: if someone does a fetch(), but never references the Response body data... would you rather have the response sit in memory forever or eventually produce a network error when the remote server gives up on the connection?
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