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  13. # [00:18] <MikeSmith> jsbell: d'oh
  14. # [00:18] <MikeSmith> fixed now
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  17. # [00:20] <MikeSmith> jsbell: I had created a github team odd the idxdb errors but has neglected to actually associate it with the idxdb repo
  18. # [00:21] <MikeSmith> *of the idxdb editors
  19. # [00:25] <jsbell> MikeSmith: np, thx
  20. # [00:27] <jsbell> MikeSmith: history pushed, you should be able to redirect dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndexedDB now
  21. # [00:28] <MikeSmith> jsbell: cool, will set it up in a couple hours
  22. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> (on from my phone now)
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  402. # [07:31] <zewt_> now chrome suddenly wasting a ton of tab bar space to tell me my name. why does everything get worse?
  403. # [07:31] <zewt_> wonder if it'll go away if i log out of google
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  405. # [07:32] <paul_irish> zewt_: chrome://flags/#enable-new-profile-management disable here
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  407. # [07:33] <paul_irish> zewt_: there's also chrome://flags/#enable-fast-user-switching but i'm not 100% sure what effect it has
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  422. # [07:55] <hemanth> /ions/iojs duh!
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  431. # [08:07] <Domenic> MikeSmith: wow, nice find
  432. # [08:07] <MikeSmith> diffalot:
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  434. # [08:08] <MikeSmith> oofs
  435. # [08:08] <MikeSmith> Domenic: Patrick Walton found that https://twitter.com/pcwalton/status/554789716772401152
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  437. # [08:09] <MikeSmith> I just re-found it from him
  438. # [08:09] <Domenic> fascinating, that servo is actually using this
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  441. # [08:09] <zewt_> paul_irish: i assume it won't be an option for long if it's buried like that, thanks though
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  494. # [09:16] <annevk> Is io.js a fork of Node.js?
  495. # [09:17] <MikeSmith> yeah
  496. # [09:18] <tantek> I keep forgetting, which one has more social justice?
  497. # [09:18] <MikeSmith> community fork to take it back from Joyent, as far as I understand
  498. # [09:18] <tantek> didn't it have to do with he/she/they pronouns or something?
  499. # [09:18] <MikeSmith> wha
  500. # [09:19] <annevk> I remember there was some outcry over a board appointed by a private company
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  502. # [09:19] <tantek> the forking will continue until no one private entity controls the project
  503. # [09:19] <annevk> But my Twitter timeline has not provided the details clearly and I have not cared to look into it thus far
  504. # [09:20] <charl> i thought it had something to do with ecmascript and the harmony flag but i have not looked into it extensively
  505. # [09:20] <charl> haven't used node much the past couple of years
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  513. # [09:31] <iandevlin> I have never used node, does that make me a heathen?
  514. # [09:33] <annevk> I have not either
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  517. # [09:35] <annevk> My host's default software makes it much easier to write something in Python...
  518. # [09:36] <iandevlin> I have also never used Python.
  519. # [09:36] <charl> i mostly use python on the server too but that's more a case of personal preference than anything else
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  521. # [09:36] <annevk> I would use JavaScript I think if it was just a matter of dumping a file
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  523. # [09:37] <annevk> It doesn't really matter much, end result is network traffic either way
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  537. # [10:02] <MikeSmith> I guess foolip no longer does irc
  538. # [10:02] <MikeSmith> wanted to ask him if ruby is supported in WebVTT text tracks
  539. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> I guess I need to read the spec instead
  540. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> ah there's at least one wpt test case that has it
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  572. # [10:53] <jgraham> Domenic: Not sure it's the long term plan for servo (I expect without measuring that you get beter perf and more features with a native implementation), but it gives something with very little effort
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  574. # [10:54] <Ms2ger> Someone said Servo?
  575. # [10:55] <Ms2ger> Domenic, Servo isn't using it
  576. # [10:55] <Ms2ger> Domenic, and it's not at all certain that it will
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  586. # [11:04] <annevk> mounir_: happy b-day!
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  592. # [11:13] <mounir_> annevk: thanks for reminding me I'm old :)
  593. # [11:14] <annevk> mounir_: did you get any presents old man?
  594. # [11:15] <Ms2ger> annevk, want to help review https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/3723 ?
  595. # [11:15] <mounir_> annevk: na, that's for youngsters
  596. # [11:16] <jgraham> Maybe we should find mounir_ a review for his birthday
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  598. # [11:17] <annevk> Ms2ger: hmm, if we are going to include encodings.js some other tests should maybe be rewritten...
  599. # [11:17] <mounir> jgraham: I could probably do one of the reviews in my queue :)
  600. # [11:18] <Ms2ger> annevk, that might be a reasonable idea
  601. # [11:18] <annevk> Ms2ger: are you reviewing now?
  602. # [11:18] <Ms2ger> annevk, no
  603. # [11:22] <annevk> assert_throws, shouldn't that take new TypeError() as first argument?
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  605. # [11:23] <Ms2ger> Either way works, but I guess new TypeError() is used more
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  607. # [11:34] <annevk> Ms2ger: actually, I think I rather focus on custom elements a bit more and leave this until that's a bit further ahead
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  609. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> Wfm
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  623. # [12:32] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: the spec has ruby (only <ruby> and <rt>). not sure who implements it, but presto didn't (apart from supporting in the parser probably)
  624. # [12:35] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: ah ok thanks
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  626. # [12:36] <MikeSmith> I still hadn't gotten around to checking the spec
  627. # [12:36] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: it's a feature that is unique to webvtt compared to other subtitle formats, iirc
  628. # [12:36] <MikeSmith> Oh
  629. # [12:37] <zcorpan> except for burnt-in subtitles which can do whatever
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  631. # [12:37] <MikeSmith> sure
  632. # [12:38] <MikeSmith> well it's used quite a lot with TV captions in Japan
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  634. # [12:39] <MikeSmith> maybe that's only started to happen recently
  635. # [12:40] <MikeSmith> And to be clear I mean it's used now everyday in non-burnt-in captions
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  637. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> ones that need to be optionally turned on to be viewed
  638. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> closed captions, or whatever they're properly called now
  639. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> for hearing-impaired people
  640. # [12:42] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: i think it's worked around using font-size and character-level positioning in other formats, rather than native support in the format for ruby
  641. # [12:44] <zcorpan> i don't recall what led me to think this but a quick google search on the topic seems to support my claim :-)
  642. # [12:46] <zcorpan> it's possible that there is a format or profile or extension of a format in use in japan that has native support though
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  644. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: hmm yeah I'll ask. we have a guy on the w3c team now in Japan, Yosuke Funahashi, who knows intimately about everything related to broadcasting in Japan, as far as technologies
  645. # [12:51] <zcorpan> cool
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  681. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> And suddenly Bert Bos in my twitter
  682. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> Thanks for the retweet, MikeSmith :)
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  685. # [15:04] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: servo?
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  688. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> Some conference in .jp
  689. # [15:04] <MikeSmith> ah
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  691. # [15:06] <MikeSmith> ah I see Bert
  692. # [15:06] <MikeSmith> "Bos" means "Badass" in Belgian
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  695. # [15:13] <Ms2ger> Actually it means "forest"
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  697. # [15:13] <MikeSmith> in some dialects, yes
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  700. # [15:19] <zcorpan> hsivonen: v.nu gives 502 again
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  708. # [15:26] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: i get an error for media="((min-width: 769px), (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 2), (min-resolution: 192dpi))" for the double-parens but i think it should be allowed per spec
  709. # [15:27] <zcorpan> (this is from canistaywithyouwhileirentmyplaceonairbnb.com )
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  711. # [15:27] <Ms2ger> From where?
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  713. # [15:34] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: oh
  714. # [15:34] <MikeSmith> I'd think the code I wrote should handle that as expected
  715. # [15:35] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: can you please file a bug for that?
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  717. # [15:35] <zcorpan> sure
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  719. # [15:36] <zcorpan> which component?
  720. # [15:38] <zcorpan> https://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=1014
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  722. # [15:53] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: thanks, that'll work
  723. # [15:54] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/validator/validator/issues works fine now too, if you like the Github
  724. # [15:54] <zcorpan> ok
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  790. # [18:22] <annevk> Is there a betting pool yet for how long we can have "fetch" as a global variable?
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  792. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> Anyone going over a week?
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  794. # [18:28] <zcorpan> oh it's in canary now huh
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  796. # [18:38] <annevk> Ms2ger: bad odds, but oooh the reward :-P
  797. # [18:38] <annevk> (there's no reward)
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  800. # [18:42] <zcorpan> annevk: what's a regexp that finds problematic uses of "fetch"?
  801. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> \bfetch\b
  802. # [18:44] <zcorpan> var fetch = "foo"; isn't actually problematic, is it?
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  806. # [18:50] <jgraham> Presumably just defining a variable, even a global, isn't problematic. It's things like testing for fetch == undefined
  807. # [18:52] <zcorpan> or bare fetch in event handler attributes
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  848. # [20:51] <zewt_> also using generic words is just annoying api (the number of times I've wanted to name a variable max or len in python; ugh)
  849. # [20:55] <zewt_> (not that fetch is *that* bad)
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  876. # [21:40] <annevk> zewt_: it's a bit annoying how variables are not separately scoped
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  900. # [22:57] <TabAtkins> annevk: On the other hand, Common Lisp's separation of methods and variables is also annoying at times. It's a trade-off.
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