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- # [13:29] <annevk> JakeA: I don't understand why you keep bringing up WindowProxy
- # [13:29] <annevk> JakeA: I don't think it is what you think it is
- # [13:32] <JakeA> annevk: possibly not. I thought it was one window's insight into another. Like the return from window.open()
- # [13:33] <annevk> JakeA: no, it's basically a shield for the Window object (you never actually get to hold the Window object, instead you always have a reference to a WindowProxy object)
- # [13:33] <annevk> JakeA: so it's very much unrelated
- # [13:35] <JakeA> annevk: but it's the return of window.open, yeah?
- # [13:35] <JakeA> annevk: and you can't have them in workers because of threads
- # [13:37] <jgraham> window.open() does return a window proxy, as does window or frames[] or iframe.contentWindow, for example
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- # [13:42] <JakeA> Ahh ok. So I see WindowClient as WindowProxy's worker-safe brother. Obviously it's very limited, and a state snapshot, but that's why I think windowClient.postMessage ends up in window.onmessage
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- # [13:50] <annevk> JakeA: it's the return value of everything that exposes the Window object, because the Window object is not directly exposed...
- # [13:50] <annevk> JakeA: e.g. window.window also returns a WindowProxy
- # [13:54] <annevk> JakeA: the analogy doesn't really make much sense to me; window.onmessage and window.postMessage() is for window objects that can directly grab each other; in fact, the window object you invoke postMessage() on gets a message event
- # [13:54] <annevk> JakeA: that's completely different from sending messages between a document and a worker, which requires a message channel of sorts
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- # [13:57] <annevk> JakeA: it seems quite different
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- # [14:45] <JakeA> annevk: spotted a couple of dragdrop bugs, dunno who best to bug about them (or will they just get picked up?) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124645 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124646
- # [14:47] <Ms2ger> JakeA, fwiw, web-platform bugs almost always go in the Core product
- # [14:48] <JakeA> Ms2ger: thanks for updating those!
- # [14:49] <Ms2ger> Np
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- # [17:17] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Did someone mistake the Ms2ger AI as being a real person again? :)
- # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Apparently
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- # [17:25] <jgraham> I always assumed that Ms2ger was the Googlebot
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- # [17:33] <hemanth> :)
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- # [18:55] <Ms2ger> "there are also several new platform features we are thrilled to be releasing in the next preview:"
- # [18:55] <Ms2ger> "DOM L3 XPath"
- # [18:55] * Ms2ger cries
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- # [19:02] <annevk> Ms2ger: Microsoft is?
- # [19:03] <Ms2ger> Yep
- # [19:03] <annevk> o_O
- # [19:03] <annevk> I hope they implement the WHATWG edition
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- # [19:29] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I just came to say the same thing :)
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- # [19:57] <Domenic> http://glazkov.com/2004/04/06/xpath-unleashed/
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- # [20:00] <jgraham> I have always prefered http://glazkov.com/2004/02/22/html-css-and-other-curious-stuff/
- # [20:01] <jgraham> Along with contemporary classics like http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1042630901&count=1
- # [20:03] <Ms2ger> "We (the CSS working group) sometimes let years pass between releasing drafts of our modules!"
- # [20:03] <Ms2ger> Some things never change
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- # [20:04] <TabAtkins> Well, it would take years before we could release a new draft of our process, so...
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- # [20:17] <jamesr___> TabAtkins: y'all need a better process process
- # [20:17] <TabAtkins> But then it would take years for us to release a new process process draft, so...
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- # [20:42] <Hixie> man, medium.com is spammy
- # [20:42] <Hixie> don't ever post there
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- # [22:23] <TabAtkins> Is DOM 3 an appropriate spec to reference? Need some place to point a MouseEvent reference to.
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- # [22:26] <Domenic> That does seem to be the latest place it's found :-/
- # [22:27] <Domenic> TabAtkins: HTML references it. So, probably.
- # [22:27] <Domenic> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#mouseevent
- # [22:27] <TabAtkins> Cool.
- # [22:27] <TabAtkins> Also: AAAAAHHHHH I HATE THE CSS2 SPEC SO MUCH
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- # [22:28] <TabAtkins> They use, throughout the spec, <span class="index-def" title="margin edge"><a name="margin-edge"><strong>margin edge</strong></a></span> rather than <dfn id="margin-edge">margin edge</dfn>
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- # [23:02] <Domenic> Interesting. Any good ideas for "innerHTML, but on text nodes"? The idea being that we want to preserve escapes. I guess maybe just htmlescape(textNode.textContent)?
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- # [23:03] <TabAtkins> Wait, that's the opposite. .innerHTML does *not* preserve escapes, while .textContent does.
- # [23:03] <TabAtkins> Or wait, is this on reading or writing?
- # [23:03] <Domenic> reading
- # [23:04] <TabAtkins> Okay, opposite then. And yeah, just escape things yourself.
- # [23:04] <gsnedders> writing you could do container.innerHTML = s.replace("<", ">"); no?
- # [23:04] <gsnedders> would that not be safe?
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- # [23:05] <TabAtkins> gsnedders: Have to replace & first, *then* <.
- # [23:05] <TabAtkins> But then you're safe, yes.
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- # [23:05] <gsnedders> I thought we wanted escapes to be decoded
- # [23:05] <gsnedders> idk
- # [23:05] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Really, though, you shouldn't be escaping things early like that. Escape at the point of use; that makes it less likely you'll run into double-escaping bugs.
- # [23:06] <Domenic> https://github.com/bterlson/ecmarkup/issues/9 is the context
- # [23:06] <TabAtkins> And when done consistently (or when done with an API that enforces it), it makes it less likely to run into zero-escapign bugs.
- # [23:06] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Yeah, you have to write out an < in the output there, obviously.
- # [23:06] <TabAtkins> But do that as you're writing the strings, not when you read them.
- # [23:07] <Domenic> we are extracting text nodes and passing them through a tool that outputs HTML. But extracting the text nodes via .textContent doesn't work very well.
- # [23:07] <Domenic> (for these purposes)
- # [23:07] <TabAtkins> The tool that outputs HTML should be escaping & and < in text. If it's not, it's buggy.
- # [23:07] <TabAtkins> Because that's what "outputting HTML" means.
- # [23:08] <TabAtkins> (It should similarly escape & and the quote character in attributes.)
- # [23:08] <TabAtkins> (If it fills in attribute values from strings at any point.)
- # [23:09] <Domenic> Yeah, but currently the tool lets you use HTML tags in your input :-/
- # [23:09] <Domenic> which is a useful feature
- # [23:09] <Domenic> but only works by accident
- # [23:09] <Domenic> it sounds like maybe i need to make it work on purpose.
- # [23:10] <TabAtkins> Sounds like it's very unhygeinic, then, and is currently just letting things escape or not willy-nilly.
- # [23:10] <TabAtkins> If it wants to allow <div> as an HTML element, then it needs to distinguish between an input "<" and an input "<".
- # [23:11] <Domenic> Yes. Well, the *tool* (Ecmarkdown) does. But the process of figuring out what to feed to the tool is currently using textNode.textContent
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- # [23:15] <TabAtkins> Okay? textNodes don't contain HTML. I'm confused about the architecture here. :/
- # [23:15] <Domenic> Yes. I just realized I am too.
- # [23:15] <Domenic> Maybe the pass-through html doesn't work in the instance where this is occuring.
- # [23:15] <Domenic> I will report back!
- # [23:15] <TabAtkins> Hahaha, ok.
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