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  253. # [09:42] <annevk> TabAtkins: would it be easier if I don't update DOM while you convert it? I can probably wait another week or so
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  284. # [11:17] <annevk> Does anyone happen to know for which HTML elements notification of end tag popping during parsing is important?
  285. # [11:17] <annevk> <script> is obviously one of them, are there any others?
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  287. # [11:19] <zcorpan> </object>
  288. # [11:20] <zcorpan> </style>
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  290. # [11:20] <zcorpan> </video> </audio>
  291. # [11:23] <zcorpan> i think that's it, but impls might have more. i think blink did something for </input>
  292. # [11:24] <annevk> there's no such thing in the spec
  293. # [11:24] <zcorpan> for </input> no
  294. # [11:25] <annevk> it's weird that the contract for the others isn't quite as explicit as it could be either
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  296. # [11:27] <zcorpan> media elements tried to avoid it, but <track> screwed it over
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  298. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> How about picture?
  299. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> link?
  300. # [11:27] <zcorpan> nope
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  302. # [11:28] <zcorpan> not per spec at least
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  307. # [11:30] <zcorpan> (picture doesn't do anything at all, it's the img that looks at its parent and previous siblings when it is inserted)
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  341. # [13:13] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: should I be using tinycss2 or is there something better?
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  345. # [13:26] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: I haven’t made a tinycss3, if that’s your question :)
  346. # [13:26] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: "is this what I should be using to parse CSS in Python?"
  347. # [13:26] <SimonSapin> yes
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  349. # [13:28] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: let me know if you find something that could be improved or added
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  356. # [13:36] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Will do. Though I scarcely need more than parse_color. Some nice way to serialise stuff would be nice, though.
  357. # [13:36] <gsnedders> But rather out of scope, I suspect.
  358. # [13:37] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: https://pythonhosted.org/tinycss2/#tinycss2.ast.Node.serialize
  359. # [13:38] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: I was more thinking about serialising color3.RGBA
  360. # [13:38] <SimonSapin> though the RGBA type is not a Node
  361. # [13:38] <gsnedders> Exactly.
  362. # [13:38] <gsnedders> Also one can bikeshed format endlessly :)
  363. # [13:39] <gsnedders> A dict of (str) keyword -> RGBA would be nice, too.
  364. # [13:39] <SimonSapin> I don’t think it needs to be more complicated than a string interpolation one-liner
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  366. # [13:40] <gsnedders> Oh, it's not that complex. The only fun thing is multiplying it so you have either a 0–255 int or percentage
  367. # [13:40] <zcorpan> serializing the alpha isn't obvious (see www-style)
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  369. # [13:41] <SimonSapin> that dict is tinycss2.color3._COLOR_KEYWORDS
  370. # [13:41] <SimonSapin> https://github.com/SimonSapin/tinycss2/blob/a64d0a64057fa3b73146b8bc7759a882d53550ed/tinycss2/color3.py#L180
  371. # [13:41] <gsnedders> Ah, cheers. I hadn't bothered digging into that yet.
  372. # [13:42] <gsnedders> zcorpan: is there a tl;dr of that?
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  374. # [13:42] <SimonSapin> it’s undocumented, but unlikely to change
  375. # [13:42] <gsnedders> This is a script I'm likely not gonna touch after today, so not really an issue.
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  383. # [13:55] <zcorpan> gsnedders: how do you roundtrip rgba(1,1,1,0.5) when storing alpha in 8 bits?
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  385. # [13:56] <gsnedders> zcorpan: Ah, but tinycss2 stores it as a double. Then you just go for the shortest unique representation.
  386. # [13:57] <zcorpan> gsnedders: ah ok
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  450. # [16:22] <ondras> when using registerElement with the "extends" feature, one has to use is= to instantiate? <x-stuff> cannot be used then?
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  452. # [16:23] <caitp> that doesn't sound right
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  455. # [16:24] <ondras> I vaguely recall asking about this some time ago, receiving response approximately compatible with what I wrote
  456. # [16:24] <ondras> but I am not sure
  457. # [16:24] <ondras> (and my poor english might be also the cause)
  458. # [16:25] <caitp> is= was supposed to be, if I understand, a way to work around the dumb aspects of the parser, and a way to ensure hard-to-polyfill features work well (although I'm not positive about that last one)
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  480. # [16:46] <annevk> Domenic: did you get any further writing up how ARIA bindings would work?
  481. # [16:47] <annevk> Domenic: I'm wondering if we can reuse that to explain title="", contenteditable="", etc.
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  494. # [17:11] <Domenic> annevk: no further than https://github.com/domenic/html-as-custom-elements/blob/master/docs/accessibility.md. I can turn the strawmen there into something more concrete maybe, if there is implementer interest.
  495. # [17:11] <Domenic> Why does title="" need explaining?
  496. # [17:11] <annevk> Domenic: e.g. you might want to overwrite the default behavior
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  498. # [17:12] <Domenic> Mehhh just use a different attribute then
  499. # [17:13] <Domenic> If I were to say "explain title" I would mean "add `window.showOSTooltip("string", { x, y })"
  500. # [17:13] <Domenic> then I could explain title as some sort of global mutation observer + mouseover hooks
  501. # [17:13] <Domenic> + I think it impacts accessible name calculation
  502. # [17:14] <Domenic> but that is already explained at the bottom of the above link
  503. # [17:14] <annevk> Domenic: see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/thread.html#msg324
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  505. # [17:14] <annevk> Domenic: if you want to allow <my-element someattr> we need to account for the fact that some day "someattr" might be a global attribute
  506. # [17:14] <Domenic> Sure. How is that related?
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  509. # [17:15] <annevk> Domenic: it's the same scenario, except "title" is already a global attribute
  510. # [17:15] <Domenic> You can already use <div someattr>; how are we accounting for that?
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  512. # [17:16] <annevk> We tell people to please use data-* or they might have a problem going forward
  513. # [17:16] <Domenic> I still don't understand the problem. Maybe jump to a strawman solution and tell me what new capabilities I will have when it is implemented?
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  515. # [17:18] <annevk> The problem is clashes and I don't really have a good solution
  516. # [17:20] <Domenic> Well, what new capabilities will I have if we solve the clashes solution?
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  519. # [17:21] <annevk> You can use any attribute name (including builtins) without future repercussions
  520. # [17:22] <Domenic> I guess I pretty much agree with Hixie's arguments in that thread that this isn't a big deal. But if you wanted to solve it maybe the custom element definition should blacklist or whitelist attributes.
  521. # [17:22] <annevk> Domenic: see. e.g. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0440.html from that thread
  522. # [17:23] <Domenic> E.g. registerElement(..., { ..., attrs: ['title', 'somefutureattr'] }) => 'title' and 'somefutureattr' won't get special treatment from the browser
  523. # [17:23] <annevk> Yeah maybe
  524. # [17:24] <Domenic> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0440.html doesn't make much sense... you can use setters .osc2 for the attribute data-osc2
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  536. # [17:51] <annevk> true
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  581. # [18:54] <annevk> So annoying that GitHub doesn't search through commit messages
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  583. # [18:54] <annevk> Does anyone know what resulted in IDL adding back the [[HasInstance]] override?
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  585. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Maybe bz
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  588. # [18:55] <hasather_> annevk: search locally?
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  604. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> annevk: That would be a little easier, yeah, but not strictly necessary. But I plan to finish up this weekend, so if you're okay with waiting a little bit, that'd be cool.
  605. # [19:16] <annevk> TabAtkins: sure thing
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  777. # Session Close: Fri Jan 30 00:00:00 2015

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