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  1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 05 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <dglazkov> DNS
  4. # [00:00] <dglazkov> I am so sorry
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  27. # [01:05] * smaug____ mumbles something to TabAtkins ;)
  28. # [01:06] <smaug____> one day I'll figure out why Google is so against any talk about encapsulation, which is a thing other vendors have brought up so often
  29. # [01:07] <smaug____> oh well
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  33. # [01:14] <caitp> does it ever weird you out that if one employee of an organization, even if they're not in a management position, has an opinion on something, it is often taken to mean "Organization X has opinion Y"
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  35. # [01:15] <caitp> or even if they are in a management position, in some cases
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  49. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> smaug____: If you're getting "Tab doesn't care about encapsulation" when my message is very explicitly "stop ignoring composition", um?
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  54. # [01:58] <TabAtkins> I also explicitly said "there are valuable isolation use-cases", but I did it in a later reply and I"m not sure of the time ordering of this IRC convo and the email, so you get a pass. ^_^
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  199. # [09:37] <annevk> not sure, judging by the memes sgalineau__ prolly knows
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  224. # [10:27] <annevk> dglazkov: thanks again for raising that cloning question, that might be what everyone needed to buy into the Dmitry solution (or come up with something super clever, we'll see)
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  239. # [11:40] <zcorpan> i wonder when the firefox logo becomes flat
  240. # [11:40] <zcorpan> or maybe firefox will outlive the flat trend
  241. # [11:41] <annevk> Did https://blog.mozilla.org/creative/2013/06/27/a-new-firefox-logo-for-a-new-firefox-era/ not make it flat enough?
  242. # [11:43] <annevk> zcorpan: not even Opera downloads are distributed over TLS
  243. # [11:45] <zcorpan> annevk: oh ok, i guess i missed the change
  244. # [11:45] <zcorpan> annevk: that's a known issue
  245. # [11:46] <annevk> zcorpan: I guess it's still not really flat, it curves a bit around the globe
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  280. # [14:04] <JonathanNeal> Is there a specific property in the works for making something visually hidden but available to screen readers? It’s often brought up as something needed, but there’s no clean solution http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/05/html5-accessibility-chops-hidden-and-aria-hidden/ http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/hiding-content-for-accessibility
  281. # [14:04] <JonathanNeal> http://webaim.org/techniques/css/invisiblecontent/
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  287. # [14:14] <annevk> JonathanNeal: technically that should still be display:none
  288. # [14:14] <annevk> JonathanNeal: but I guess there's rampant abuse that makes that impractical?
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  290. # [14:16] <Ms2ger> Screen readers don't read display:none content, AIUI
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  292. # [14:19] <JonathanNeal> And [hidden] computes to display:none so we’re really out of luck.
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  295. # [14:26] <JonathanNeal> I’m looking for something like [offscreen]
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  299. # [14:32] <annevk> Screen readers are so tricky. They sort of want the layout tree exposed, but the standards are designed with the idea that they get the content tree...
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  301. # [14:32] <annevk> And all the advocacy is rather similar, e.g. "designing for Google" is like designing for a screen reader...
  302. # [14:33] <annevk> Now soon that may be true given that Google is starting to use "headless" browsers, but still
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  305. # [14:37] <JonathanNeal> annevk: hmm, the usual visually-hidden block looks like rect(0px 0px 0px 0px); position: absolute; — I wonder if I could just stick that on [aria-visible]:not([aria-visible="false"]):not(:active):not(:focus)
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  308. # [14:40] <JonathanNeal> Or [aria-hidden=“false”]:not(:active):not(:focus)
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  312. # [14:46] <bkardell> JonathanNeal: why the need for the nots there?
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  314. # [14:48] <JonathanNeal> bkardell: in less-often cases where a visually hidden element is focusable, it is usually desired to have the element become visually shown to the user. skip to links fall into this category.
  315. # [14:49] <JonathanNeal> That was phrased poorly, I’m sorry. When an element is both visually-hidden and focusable, like skip-to links at the top of a page, then the desired effect is usually to have them become visible on focus.
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  334. # [15:10] <bkardell> hmm I see
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  342. # [15:17] <annevk> welcome bkardell \o/
  343. # [15:17] <bkardell> lol
  344. # [15:17] <bkardell> I don't start work for another 2 hours :)
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  347. # [15:28] <JakeA> annevk: Is there a time you can make a call about ServiceWOrker & postMessage?
  348. # [15:29] <annevk> JakeA: today and tomorrow are rather tricky, some visitors so have stuff going on in the evening
  349. # [15:30] <JakeA> annevk: ok, will try and rearrange. Alex is in the UK so could do something earlier, although that'll be tricky for Jonas if you think he needs to be part of it
  350. # [15:33] <annevk> JakeA: I still think talking to Hixie will likely go much better
  351. # [15:33] <annevk> JakeA: he has thought up the entire postMessage() system afaik
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  353. # [15:40] <JakeA> annevk: ok, I'll see if I can pin him down for a meeting
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  360. # [15:58] <jsx> Any idea about the status of @counter-style implementation in Chrome and IE?
  361. # [15:58] <jsx> I checked status.modern.ie and chromium bug list, but no info there.
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  363. # [16:02] <caitp> what does @counter-style mean
  364. # [16:03] <jsx> It lets you define custom counter styles for lists.
  365. # [16:03] <jsx> described here - http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-counter-styles-3/#at-ruledef-counter-style
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  367. # [16:08] <caitp> tab would probably know if there's been anything about that started
  368. # [16:10] <jsx> looking forward to hear from him or someone in the chrome team
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  385. # [16:37] <Domenic> annevk: some Node people have used it (and one caused feedback into the spec). I've been meaning to make demos using it for a while---the spec even contains examples for web socket streams. And, this week I am investigating adapting it into a patch for V8.
  386. # [16:37] <annevk> interesting
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  472. # [18:52] <JakeA> Hixie: any availability for a call on ServiceWorker & postMessage. We've got a bit stuck on https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/609
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  475. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> Inviting Hixie for sync communication?
  476. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> That's an interesting strategy, let's see how it plays out
  477. # [19:02] <JakeA> Yeah, I used deliberately incorrect punctuation in that message to baffle him into agreeing
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  515. # [20:55] <JonathanNeal> Does anyone know ways to identify content as assistive-only aka offscreen aka visually-hidden (not necessarily a way to style it, but a way to communicate it in the document)?
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  536. # [21:41] <Domenic> TabAtkins: I think we should copy your namespaces post into the WHATWG wiki somewhere
  537. # [21:49] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Feel free.
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  590. # [23:34] <annevk> GPHemsley: can you get the wiki account Domenic tied to Domenic's email address somehow?
  591. # [23:34] <annevk> GPHemsley: it's not entirely clear to me how to edit an existing user
  592. # [23:39] <tantek> annevk: you have to dig into the MediaWiki install to find a magic PHP script to do the right MySQL voodoo
  593. # [23:39] <annevk> Yeah, GPHemsley knows how it works
  594. # [23:40] <annevk> I tried searching around, but didn't really get anywhere
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