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  33. # [01:41] <MikeSmith> ajpiano: you can't do that now in combination with the web audio API?
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  134. # [11:31] <zcorpan> hmmm. https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/forms.html#textFieldSelection:do-not-apply makes it not possible to just get the values of all attributes of an e.g. <input type=image> (like live dom viewer does in w())
  135. # [11:33] <annevk> JakeA: wanderview: https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Storage#API_proposal
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  160. # [13:38] <annevk> JakeA: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/24 feedback welcome
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  172. # [14:30] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: "Forbidden due to abuse" sayeth w3c bugzilla at the linköping office :-(
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  179. # [14:47] <Domenic> annevk: I would have expected the code in that fetch issue to work; seems annoying to have to create a new request from scratch.
  180. # [14:47] <Domenic> s/request/response
  181. # [14:48] <annevk> It's not that simple unfortunately
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  183. # [14:50] <Domenic> Why?
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  185. # [14:51] <annevk> Due to filtered responses
  186. # [14:51] <annevk> Which all are
  187. # [14:52] <annevk> We could introduce some new guards
  188. # [14:52] <annevk> But might get tricky...
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  196. # [15:13] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: never seen that happen
  197. # [15:13] <MikeSmith> you know you're spending too much time in bugzilla when...
  198. # [15:14] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: if it's still happening lemme know
  199. # [15:14] <MikeSmith> I think normally the rate-limiting blocks clear after ~2 hours
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  201. # [15:15] <zcorpan_> MikeSmith: still happens, but it hasn't been 2h yet. i'll use Tor meanwhile
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  203. # [15:33] <zcorpan_> MikeSmith: apparently it has been working and not working back and forth all day today
  204. # [15:34] <zcorpan_> MikeSmith: not just limited to bugzilla
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  228. # [16:50] * MikeSmith just landed support in the validator sources for checking documents served from SNI domains
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  230. # [16:52] <annevk> MikeSmith++
  231. # [16:52] <annevk> MikeSmith: though didn't that already work? E.g. I could validate html5.org and annevankesteren.nl just fine
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  240. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: didn't work with some sites at least
  241. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: e.g., https://osteo15.com/
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  243. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> in fact it still doesn't work, because I haven't pushed it yet
  244. # [17:19] <MikeSmith> https://html5.validator.nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fosteo15.com%2F
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  247. # [17:32] <MikeSmith> annevk: compare that to https://vnu.herokuapp.com/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fosteo15.com%2F
  248. # [17:33] <annevk> I wonder what is going on with my domains then
  249. # [17:33] <MikeSmith> dunno but I reckon hsivonen does
  250. # [17:34] <MikeSmith> the thing is, before today the vnu sources were using a very old version of the Apache commons-httpclient code that basically has no SNI support at all as far as I understand it
  251. # [17:36] <MikeSmith> but I updated it today to the latest version of the Apache httpclient. Which was a lot of "good times" because the apache httpclient developers like to keep changing the API significantly every time they do a release
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  253. # [17:38] <MikeSmith> so I had to rewrite our client code in vnu to work against the latest API, which was quite a bit different from what the code was originally written against
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  255. # [17:39] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/validator/validator/commit/ce45db603aa77fa5809044e4e1d82c9431fd8b7f#diff-c9f54b9fc478b7db28d3e3443278ac49R122
  256. # [17:39] <MikeSmith> ugly stuff
  257. # [17:40] <caitp-> 344 deletions tho
  258. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> the deletions are that I completely removed two other classes we'd been using before
  259. # [17:42] <MikeSmith> which let you optionally run the validator service with cert checking turned off
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  262. # [17:54] <annevk> MikeSmith: it's still surprising since DreamHost is not allocating unique IPs for sure
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  265. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> yeah odd
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  281. # [18:45] <annevk> JakeA: wanderview: updated https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Storage a bit more
  282. # [18:45] <annevk> wanderview: I'm not sure I captured the named storage area stuff accurately
  283. # [18:46] <jsbell> annevk: add the "SW" cache api to "existing..." ?
  284. # [18:47] <annevk> jsbell: yes
  285. # [18:47] <wanderview> annevk: I think the named storage area came out of our discussion about how an app could use additional origins or sub-origins to segment storage now, right?
  286. # [18:47] <annevk> jsbell: I wonder where the HTTP cache fits in
  287. # [18:47] <annevk> wanderview: yes
  288. # [18:47] <wanderview> so a named storage area would let them do that without abusing origins
  289. # [18:48] <annevk> yeah I guess, though LRU wouldn't help them much
  290. # [18:48] <annevk> with LRU*
  291. # [18:49] <annevk> jsbell: added Cache API
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  296. # [18:52] <jsbell> annevk: FYI https://github.com/slightlyoff/StorageDurability/blob/master/explainer.md - for a basically identical straw-man proposal
  297. # [18:53] <jsbell> The surface area of that hasn't gotten much discussion/refinement, so don't put too much weight into it. We've been running with the "origin gets a bit" notion and seeing where that leads.
  298. # [18:53] <annevk> jsbell: yeah, I've been participating in the discussion there
  299. # [18:54] <annevk> jsbell: I don't quite agree with the assertions in that strawman around .quota being equal, but otherwise yeah... Oh, and mode not being available synchronously seems weird
  300. # [18:54] <jsbell> Heh, I hadn't noticed that it was getting attention from others.
  301. # [18:55] <annevk> I want to allow for the option that the UA decides to change from best-effort to persistent based on e.g. pinning or bookmarking
  302. # [18:56] <jsbell> annevk: +1
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  306. # [18:59] <annevk> jsbell: are you going to the Extensible Web Summit April 20?
  307. # [19:00] <annevk> jsbell: maybe we can meet there or otherwise sometime later that week before Friday?
  308. # [19:00] <jsbell> annevk: I probably should...
  309. # [19:01] <annevk> But who knows, perhaps we can sort this out asynchronously, would be nice
  310. # [19:02] <jsbell> Yep to F2F + async/moving fast. AFK for a bit now
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  331. # [19:52] <mounir> annevk: you remember the Permissions API, right? :)
  332. # [19:52] <mounir> annevk: does having static function on the Permissions object bother you?
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  344. # [20:23] <annevk> mounir: for persistent storage?
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  346. # [20:23] <annevk> mounir: doesn't really make sense I think as it's mostly about changing a storage mode that involves a dialog
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  358. # [20:51] <mounir> annevk: no, permissions api
  359. # [20:52] <mounir> annevk: instead of having navigator.permissions.* it has static methods living in the interface
  360. # [20:52] <mounir> given that there are no states, it sounds nicer but I wonder if that's a shared opinion
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  365. # [21:07] <annevk> mounir: I don't really care, Notifications API did set such a precedent
  366. # [21:08] <annevk> mounir: I'm still not really sure I want a generic API for permissions
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  369. # [21:09] <mounir> annevk: I understand that, but you still might have an opinion
  370. # [21:09] <mounir> annevk: would you change the Notifications API if you could?
  371. # [21:09] <annevk> wanderview: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/Places/Frecency_algorithm seems interesting
  372. # [21:09] <annevk> wanderview: reportedly the HTTP cache uses that rather than LRU
  373. # [21:10] <annevk> mounir: ooh no, I think it's okay this way
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  375. # [21:10] <annevk> mounir: ideally most of this stuff is in modules, but statics seems like a good second
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  377. # [21:13] <mounir> great
  378. # [21:13] <mounir> glad to hear we agree :)
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