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  195. # [10:56] <Domenic> Any reason html.spec.whatwg.org is not CORS-able?
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  221. # [13:21] <JakeA> I'm enjoying this "HTML6" email already. Not only for the HTML6, but the assertion that javascript frameworks render in 10-50ms
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  224. # [13:37] <espadrine> He may be talking about switching from one "subpage" of the SPA to another
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  231. # [14:18] <JakeA> true
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  241. # [14:53] <wanderview> Domenic: if I've already done the work to make our Response.clone() do a zero-copy tee of the underlying body stream... there is nothing in the current proposal that would stop me from using it right? I would not have to de-opt for some reason? just concerned that the tee() always makes a new stream will force that on me
  242. # [14:53] <wanderview> I think I could use wrappers to keep the same underlying stream
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  250. # [15:15] <wanderview> Domenic: based on what you wrote in the github issue, this tweet should really say res.body.getReader().read()? https://twitter.com/domenic/status/578002598487175168
  251. # [15:15] <wanderview> not to be pedantic...
  252. # [15:15] <wanderview> but it seems people care about the details
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  258. # [15:36] <Domenic> wanderview: yeah, good point, can't believe I missed that :-/
  259. # [15:37] <Domenic> wanderview: and yeah definitely no reason to de-opt. zero-copy is always the goal.
  260. # [15:38] <wanderview> Domenic: I think I convinced myself the zero copy is not a concern with shared ArrayBuffer chunks... might be more a concern when ReadableByteStream appears
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  262. # [15:41] <Domenic> yeah, ReadableByteStream is an interesting tradeoff, for sockets at least. If there are chunks in user-space that are too large, but then the consumer requests like 10 bytes, either you have to do some C++ magic to make an ArrayBufferView onto a 10-byte-subset, or you have to do a copy.
  263. # [15:42] <Domenic> Yet, it gives the consumer complete control over allocation, so as to avoid any GC and allow buffer re-use and such
  264. # [15:42] <Domenic> And, for files, where it can connect directly to read(2), it should work beautifully
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  277. # [16:35] <JakeA> Domenic: https://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=3237 makes me sad. Any idea why making APIs up and shipping them is somehow ok in thuis case?
  278. # [16:35] <JakeA> this*
  279. # [16:36] <Domenic> JakeA: no idea at all. It's absolutely horrible.
  280. # [16:36] <Domenic> My only guess is that the V8 team doesn't have to follow the normal process?
  281. # [16:36] <JakeA> sadface
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  283. # [16:39] <beverloo> they're indeed outside of the process
  284. # [16:40] <beverloo> although more recently they've been sending intent to ship/PSAs, which already is a step forward :)
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  286. # [16:44] <JakeA> Hopefully we can get them to remove those APIs. It's kinda shitty
  287. # [16:44] <JakeA> By "kinda" I mean "absolutely and totally"
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  360. # [18:22] <JakeA> annevk: getting more requests for status code on opaque requests. Going to start looking at it again, perhaps if credentials are omitted. Agree it's contentious though.
  361. # [18:23] <JakeA> Chrome doesn't allow fetch('//other-origin', {mode: 'no-cors'}) from a window, which doesn't make sense to me
  362. # [18:23] <annevk> I think that's only disallowed because they couldn't come up with a use case and don't support cache in window?
  363. # [18:23] <annevk> JakeA: credentials are not the problem. I recommend reading https://annevankesteren.nl/2015/02/same-origin-policy
  364. # [18:24] <annevk> Well, they are part of it, but mostly it's firewalls.
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  366. # [18:28] <JakeA> annevk: it's disallowed because it exposes the existence of a server. Which is weird because it's somehow ok in a SW, and you can use img requests to /favicon.ico to detect servers anyway
  367. # [18:29] <JakeA> Great article btw
  368. # [18:29] <annevk> JakeA: when I mentioned that I thought that was bullshit someone on blink-dev told me it was because of the reason I just mentioned
  369. # [18:30] <JakeA> hm, that's not what I was told, but maybe I got the info 2nd hand
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  377. # [18:42] <beverloo> annevk, any concerns with changing Notification.close() to return a promise?
  378. # [18:42] <beverloo> annevk, in short, it could be asynchronous and may cause unexpected behavior if SWR.getNotifications() is called immediately afterwards
  379. # [18:43] <beverloo> it'll also allow us to reject if it's already closed. none of this should impact current users of the API. I'll write a PR in a bit
  380. # [18:44] <JakeA> beverloo: better to resolve with a boolean if it's already closed
  381. # [18:44] <JakeA> As in, resolve with true if something actually changed, false if it was already closed
  382. # [18:44] <beverloo> closing something that's already closed feels like an exception to me?
  383. # [18:44] <beverloo> happy to go either way
  384. # [18:44] <annevk> beverloo: I think my concern would be that getNotifications() doesn't necessarily take close into account
  385. # [18:45] <annevk> beverloo: as per the specification that is deterministic
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  387. # [18:45] <TabAtkins> beverloo: Unless there's a way to check whether it's closed, and a good reason to make double-closing an error, I wouldn't throw.
  388. # [18:45] <annevk> beverloo: closing might be racy
  389. # [18:45] <annevk> beverloo: so shouldn't throw, but I'm not really convinced yet this is needed at all
  390. # [18:45] <TabAtkins> (Python, for example, offers two set deletion functions, depending on whether you care about double-deletion or not.)
  391. # [18:45] <beverloo> ok, I'm convinced to use a boolean rather than reject
  392. # [18:46] <beverloo> for us, closing a notification will be asynchronous, and I imagine this will the case in other implementations as well
  393. # [18:46] <annevk> I mean that's fine, but you could schedule it in such a way that getNotifications still gets the right answer
  394. # [18:49] <beverloo> that's true, but I'd rather be explicit about the fact that it's not synchronous
  395. # [18:49] <beverloo> if people don't care they won't use the promise
  396. # [18:49] <beverloo> like today
  397. # [18:49] <annevk> Well it sounds like you want a promise to allow for racy behavior...
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  400. # [18:50] <annevk> As that was your motivation rather than something about the developer wanting to know whether they already invoked close() before...
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  402. # [18:52] <beverloo> hm. Neither are great arguments if we're honest :-).
  403. # [18:52] <beverloo> because of the way how we're implementing getNotifications it will work fine, but I just don't think it's clear
  404. # [18:52] <beverloo> it's not racy because of an implementation detail
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