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  156. # [14:37] <wanderview> JakeA: reading your reply here about the "first-party-cookies" and SW: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#label/blink-dev/14c314afd2174c91
  157. # [14:37] <wanderview> JakeA: just FYI, I think we are going to disable SW interception completely when the user has "disable third-party cookies" preference enabled
  158. # [14:38] <wanderview> not quite the same, because its not based on a header request... but seems similar
  159. # [14:38] <wanderview> JakeA: I mean, disable SW interception completely for third party iframes
  160. # [14:39] <JakeA> Phew!
  161. # [14:39] <JakeA> I was worried for a second there
  162. # [14:40] <JakeA> wanderview: that seems ok, what's the attack? That the iframe request can look at the referrer and track?
  163. # [14:41] <wanderview> JakeA: well, we want to disable IDB and other storage APIs for 3rd party iframes when the pref is set... to prevent tracking... but once we are in the SW we have no way to tell if a third party iframe is involved
  164. # [14:42] <wanderview> we want to completely hide the API endpoints on the global... so we need to do it at SW spin-up
  165. # [14:43] <wanderview> JakeA: also, I don't know if you have an opinion on this issue, but its the other main thing we have to deal with to enable IDB on SW: https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/648#issuecomment-78621258
  166. # [14:43] <wanderview> we currently don't allow IDB in sandboxed iframes at all
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  169. # [14:50] <JakeA> Hmm good point, I wonder what Chrome does
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  214. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> Hm?
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  238. # [17:55] <JakeA> Domenic: why is the input for TextDecoder decode optional? Is that in preparation for TextDecoder to become a transform stream?
  239. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> JakeA, for signalling EOF
  240. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> I though
  241. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> t
  242. # [17:57] <JakeA> ahh ok
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  244. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> I may also have that completely backwards, though :)
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  248. # [18:05] <JakeA> Domenic: if I'm streaming a string & reading the chunks with TextDecoder, is there anything I can do about a chunk landing mid-way through a multibyte codepoint?
  249. # [18:05] <JakeA> I guess I really want a TextDecoder transform stream
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  253. # [18:11] <wanderview> JakeA: yea... seems there should be a TextDecoder stream that internally re-chunks
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  256. # [18:15] <JakeA> wanderview: TextDecoder has a 'stream' option, but that appears to read the whole stream
  257. # [18:15] <JakeA> ohhh no wait
  258. # [18:16] <JakeA> "If options's stream is true, the method can be invoked multiple times to process a fragmented stream."
  259. # [18:16] <wanderview> JakeA: what are you looking at?
  260. # [18:16] <JakeA> https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/
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  263. # [18:19] <JakeA> I can't figure out how to use it
  264. # [18:20] <JakeA> var decoder = new TextDecoder();
  265. # [18:20] <JakeA> decoder.decode(???, {stream: true});
  266. # [18:20] <JakeA> Then keep calling decoder.decode() to get more data
  267. # [18:20] <JakeA> but I can't figure out that first param "BufferSource"
  268. # [18:21] <JakeA> It can't be a stream, as decode() is sync and stream reading isn't
  269. # [18:21] <wanderview> JakeA: maybe annevk knows
  270. # [18:22] <wanderview> JakeA: the spec doesn't seem to reference whatwg-streams, so I assume its not related?
  271. # [18:23] <JakeA> wanderview: I think you're right, stream means something different here
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  273. # [18:25] <wanderview> JakeA: does anyone implement this spec yet? or it mainly meant as something other specs can refer to?
  274. # [18:25] <JakeA> wanderview: it appears to be in Canary
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  276. # [18:26] <wanderview> JakeA: http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#common-BufferSource
  277. # [18:26] <wanderview> I guess it should link there
  278. # [18:27] <JakeA> Aha!
  279. # [18:27] <wanderview> the "copy to" link in the decode() function goes to that spec
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  283. # [18:36] <gsnedders> TabAtkins: :)
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  286. # [18:42] <JakeA> Ok, worked it out. var d = new TextDecoder(); d.decode(uint8Array, {stream: true}); /* returns whole chars, doesn't cut off partial utf8 chars */ d.decode(uint8Array, {stream: true}); /* this is added to the data it had so far */
  287. # [18:42] <JakeA> wanderview ^
  288. # [18:43] <jsbell> JakeA: I'm lacking context but I can help w/ text encoding API stuff. :)
  289. # [18:44] <JakeA> jsbell: I'm playing with the streams API, so I'm getting chunks as uint8array, I'm trying to read this as text in a way that don't fail if the chunk ends/starts on parts of a multibyte char
  290. # [18:44] <jsbell> JakeA: Yep, {stream:true}. And you probably want to call d.decode() (no i.e. default args) at the end of the stream to flush
  291. # [18:45] <jsbell> so that if you have a partial sequence it correctly generates a U+FFFD
  292. # [18:46] <jsbell> JakeA: I haven't had a chance to soak in streams; glad someone's trying to compose encoding+streams
  293. # [18:46] <JakeA> jsbell: like this? https://jsbin.com/gowaze/quiet
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  295. # [18:47] <jsbell> JakeA: lgtm
  296. # [18:47] <JakeA> jsbell: ideally in future this should be stream.pipeThrough(new TextDecoder) I think
  297. # [18:47] <wanderview> is the text regarding the stream option correct? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/TextDecoder/decode
  298. # [18:48] <jsbell> Um... not really correct. Not very helpful anyway....
  299. # [18:48] <wanderview> yea
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  301. # [18:49] <wanderview> JakeA: and I guess everyone supports it except IE/safari
  302. # [18:50] <jsbell> I has polyfill: https://github.com/inexorabletash/text-encoding
  303. # [18:51] <wanderview> nice
  304. # [18:54] <jsbell> Spec isn't much clearer on 'stream' but that's not the spec's job. :) MDN could say: "A Boolean flag indicating that additional data to decode will follow in subsequent calls to decode(). Set to true if processing the data in chunks, and false for the final chunk or if the data is not chunked" or something
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  314. # [19:00] <Domenic> JakeA: yeah the plan is to do "encoding api v2" when we have all the parts of streams figured out
  315. # [19:00] <Domenic> Possibly add some simpler static methods for one-shot encoding/decoding while we're there
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  317. # [19:01] <Domenic> I think I asked annevk about this and he said that TextEncoder instances didn't keep any state, and so I'm not sure what to do about landing halfway through multibyte content :-S
  318. # [19:01] <JakeA> Domenic: jsbell: so does my use of decoder make sense here https://jsbin.com/gowaze/edit?js
  319. # [19:01] <JakeA> Domenic: they retain a stream, so there's some state
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  321. # [19:01] <JakeA> "stream"
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  323. # [19:02] <JakeA> calling .decode(input, {stream:true}) pushes to that internal stream
  324. # [19:02] <Domenic> gah jsbin I want to love you but why is the content area so small (jshint + giant features banner)
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  326. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> bit.ly/livedom :)
  327. # [19:03] <Domenic> JakeA: in general you'll either have { value: x, done: false } or { value: undefined, done: true }, so you can simplify a bit
  328. # [19:03] <Domenic> but yeah looks solid in general
  329. # [19:05] <JakeA> Domenic: what simplification? Drop the || []? I was worries the explicit undefined would be counted as a value
  330. # [19:05] <JakeA> But that doesn't appear to be the case, cool
  331. # [19:05] <Domenic> JakeA: I was thinking, test result.done early and bail immediatley if you see it
  332. # [19:05] <Domenic> then assume it's false from then on
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  334. # [19:06] <JakeA> Domenic: I don't think I can, because partialCell may still contain data. Also calling decode will flush any remaining data.
  335. # [19:08] <Domenic> Ah, interesting, I see.
  336. # [19:08] <Domenic> You don't need to pass { stream: true } for previous chunks, only for the last one?
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  340. # [19:10] <Domenic> I guess just worth testing this thing on some real data and we'll know the answer :P
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  349. # [19:13] <jsbell> JakeA: I may have lost context, but {stream: result.done} seems like it should be {stream: !result.done} ??
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  352. # [19:15] <Domenic> right, I think that is what I was implying as well
  353. # [19:15] <jsbell> stream is basically !flush
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  355. # [19:17] <jsbell> <3 wanderview for updating MDN already
  356. # [19:17] <wanderview> np! thanks for the text :-)
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  360. # [19:21] <jsbell> wanderview: if you're feeling really keen, you can crib the examples from https://github.com/inexorabletash/text-encoding
  361. # [19:23] <wanderview> jsbell: thanks... I'll see if I can find the time later today
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  383. # [19:51] <JakeA> jsbell: oh wow, yes, don't know how that crept in
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  390. # [19:52] <JakeA> I can code, honest
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