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  214. # [09:26] <annevk> jgraham: what's an easy way to generate an image with wptserve?
  215. # [09:26] <annevk> jgraham: I want to control the headers and have something that resembles a valid image in the response
  216. # [09:26] <annevk> jgraham: do we have a pattern for that?
  217. # [09:26] <Ms2ger> A .headers file?
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  226. # [10:05] <Ms2ger> Lovely, now people are coming into #servo wanting to implement css-egg
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  232. # [10:21] <annevk> Ms2ger: is the magic of .headers defined somewhere?
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  234. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> http://wptserve.readthedocs.org/en/latest/handlers.html#file-handlers
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  245. # [11:40] <jgraham> annevk: Yeah, what Ms2ger said as long as you are happy to serve a static image
  246. # [11:40] <jgraham> If you really mean "generate an image" you will need to write some python code
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  248. # [11:42] <annevk> jgraham: yeah so the problem is that I don't want static headers
  249. # [11:43] <jgraham> What do you want them to depend on?
  250. # [11:43] <annevk> jgraham: some GET parameters
  251. # [11:43] <jgraham> Then you need some python code
  252. # [11:43] <jgraham> def main(request, response):
  253. # [11:43] <jgraham> headers = []
  254. # [11:44] <jgraham> body = open("/path/to/image").read()
  255. # [11:44] <jgraham> if "type" in request.GET:
  256. # [11:45] <jgraham> headers.append(("Content-Type", request.GET["type"]))
  257. # [11:45] <annevk> thanks, reading the image in seems reasonable
  258. # [11:45] <jgraham> return headers, body
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  260. # [11:53] <annevk> jgraham: what's the current path for these Python scripts?
  261. # [11:54] <jgraham> annevk: I was just thinking that I'm not sure :)
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  263. # [11:56] <jgraham> annevk: __file__ as a global variable should exist and be the absolute path to the the script, so you can use that to resolve paths without caring about the pwd
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  265. # [11:57] <annevk> jgraham: can I assume os.path.relpath is supported?
  266. # [11:58] <annevk> jgraham: so e.g. os.path.relpath("image.gif", __file__) ?
  267. # [11:58] <jgraham> Well that wouldn't do what you want
  268. # [11:59] <jgraham> I would
  269. # [11:59] <jgraham> import os
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  271. # [11:59] <jgraham> os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), "image.gif")
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  273. # [12:00] <annevk> thanks
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  277. # [12:08] <annevk> So this is fun. IE11 successfully loads both image/png and image/gif, but only successfully decodes the latter...
  278. # [12:09] <annevk> I sort of thought both should work
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  286. # [12:21] <philipj> caitp, zcorpan, yes, I added the [LenientThis] FIXME (we have now switched to TODO(name))
  287. # [12:21] <Ms2ger> I never saw the point of (name)
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  290. # [12:30] <annevk> jgraham: we don't have global image/video/audio resources that would be good to reuse?
  291. # [12:31] <annevk> I guess video/audio is hard given that browsers suck at having one format that works everywhere
  292. # [12:31] <jgraham> annevk: There are some… try /common or /media (off the top of my head)
  293. # [12:32] <annevk> ah yeah /media and /images
  294. # [12:32] <annevk> jgraham: my tentative location has been http/nosniff
  295. # [12:33] <annevk> jgraham: though I'm also considering fetch/nosniff since I might write this down as a subsection of Fetch
  296. # [12:34] <jgraham> annevk: Yeah, I don't have a strong opinion about where, and we can always move things later
  297. # [12:35] <Ms2ger> I'm leaning towards fetch, but either way
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  332. # [14:40] <annevk> Where can I find out whether WebVTT is sniffed or not?
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  334. # [14:54] <annevk> jgraham: I have more questions
  335. # [14:54] <annevk> jgraham: if I append a <script> as part of an asynchronous test
  336. # [14:54] <annevk> jgraham: how do I assert things from there?
  337. # [14:55] <annevk> jgraham: also currently I have this rather inelegant code:
  338. # [14:55] <annevk> script.onerror = t.step_func_done(function() { assert_true(true) })
  339. # [14:55] <annevk> script.onload = t.step_func_done(function() { assert_true(false) })
  340. # [14:55] <annevk> is there something better for that?
  341. # [14:57] <jgraham> annevk: Listening to clytn talk about hosting events at the moment, I might not be able to give a coherent answer :)
  342. # [14:58] <jgraham> annevk: If you only have one test in a file, you don't need the async_test() stuff at all, you can just use raw asserts()
  343. # [14:59] <annevk> jgraham: I have a couple
  344. # [14:59] <jgraham> If you just want to test the things you said above, there are easier ways
  345. # [14:59] <jgraham> script.onerror = t.step_func_done(function(){})
  346. # [15:00] <jgraham> script.onload=t.unreached_func("Should not get a load event")
  347. # [15:00] <annevk> jgraham: I want to create a sequence of script elements and for each script element assert its events (either positive or negative) and let them execute something that is also an assert
  348. # [15:01] <jgraham> annevk: That doesn't seem too hard; what's the problem?
  349. # [15:01] <jgraham> I mean if you insert a script you can just call t.step_func or whatever from that script
  350. # [15:01] <annevk> jgraham: I'm not sure how to tie what the script executes with the async_test
  351. # [15:02] <annevk> jgraham: doesn't that require t to be a global?
  352. # [15:02] <zcorpan> jgraham: Ms2ger: help. my brain stopped working trying to figure this out from the spec. what should happen for onclick = 1; alert(onclick); onclick = {}; alert(onclick) ?
  353. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> I knew this once
  354. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> It's TreatNonObjectAsNull, no?
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  356. # [15:04] <zcorpan> ah. yes it is
  357. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> So alert(null), alert({})
  358. # [15:04] <zcorpan> i totally missed the extended attribute
  359. # [15:04] <zcorpan> thx
  360. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> Np
  361. # [15:04] <jgraham> annevk: Well yeah it requires it to be global. If it's not you would have to pass it in somehow. Not sure how else it coulf work?
  362. # [15:05] <darobin> globals in tests aren't particularly frowned upon
  363. # [15:05] <darobin> you don't expect to be able to run a bunch of them in the same context
  364. # [15:05] <darobin> that would lead to a lot of weirdness
  365. # [15:06] * darobin wonders if we could try that then drink a last beer as we watch the world 'splode
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  368. # [15:11] <annevk> jgraham: that also seems racy, would need a unique global per script...
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  370. # [15:13] <jgraham> annevk: I don't understand what you're trying to do here
  371. # [15:13] <jgraham> If you want a test to contain some asserts in script A and some in inserted script B then you need some way to reference that test from B
  372. # [15:14] <jgraham> Making the test a global seems like the easiest way to do that
  373. # [15:14] <jgraham> But please give me an example to look at
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  375. # [15:15] <annevk> I'm creating the scripts asynchronously
  376. # [15:15] <jgraham> Right, but as long as the test can't end before the script has run, what's the problem?
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  380. # [15:18] <annevk> There's not necessarily a problem, it's just that I can't use a single variable
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  382. # [15:24] <annevk> Although actually, a problem might be that I don't know when all scripts will have executed...
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  385. # [15:25] <jgraham> Do you need to know that?
  386. # [15:25] <annevk> jgraham: not sure where else to run .done()
  387. # [15:26] <jgraham> One test, multiple scripts?
  388. # [15:26] <annevk> jgraham: the script may or may not execute
  389. # [15:27] <jgraham> Depending on what?
  390. # [15:27] <annevk> nosniff
  391. # [15:27] <jgraham> So one way is a pass and the other is a fail?
  392. # [15:28] <annevk> I can load a script in a execute or non-execute way. If I load it in an execute way I want to see that it actually executed and that load is dispatched. If I load it in a non-execute way I want to make sure it did not actually execute and that error is dispatched.
  393. # [15:28] <jgraham> If you expect the script to not execute and not executing is the pass condition there's pretty much no choice but to use a timer to say "if it didn't execute in X time, it's a PASS"
  394. # [15:29] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: shouldn't html/dom/interfaces.html have Blob defined somewhere?
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  401. # [16:00] <wanderview> annevk: Request.clone() is not an adequate sanitize step, right? we need to use the constructor to sanitize I think
  402. # [16:00] <annevk> wanderview: correct
  403. # [16:01] <annevk> wanderview: clone() just creates a clone
  404. # [16:01] <wanderview> thanks
  405. # [16:01] <wanderview> yea
  406. # [16:01] <wanderview> annevk: the cache sanitize language uses a mix of clone and constructor right now
  407. # [16:02] <annevk> wanderview: interesting
  408. # [16:02] <annevk> wanderview: cloning seems bad per definition
  409. # [16:02] <annevk> wanderview: e.g. the stream just needs to be moved, not tee'd
  410. # [16:02] <wanderview> probably worried about draining the body... but Requests with bodies cannot be put into cache any more (because we only accept GET)
  411. # [16:02] <annevk> wanderview: also, I thought that if you did put them in, the body should be drained...
  412. # [16:03] <wanderview> annevk: I think clone is being used for places we don't want to drain... like cache.match()
  413. # [16:03] <annevk> wanderview: shouldn't match just read out the variables?
  414. # [16:03] <annevk> wanderview: why would that even clone?
  415. # [16:04] <wanderview> annevk: should .match() need a sanitize step?
  416. # [16:04] <annevk> wanderview: I don't really see why
  417. # [16:04] <wanderview> annevk: or do you only want to sanitize on putting in?
  418. # [16:04] <annevk> wanderview: I want sanitize when fetching
  419. # [16:04] <wanderview> annevk: so just .add() and .addAll()?
  420. # [16:04] <annevk> wanderview: ehsan convinced me that putting it in should just put it in
  421. # [16:04] <wanderview> ok
  422. # [16:05] <annevk> At some point I'll have free time to move Cache into Fetch and make it all nice and consistent...
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  426. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, I don't think it's strictly necessary
  427. # [16:08] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: ok
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  429. # [16:10] <zcorpan> annevk: shouldn't we make fetches in general be reliable wrt cookies though?
  430. # [16:10] <wanderview> annevk: you want Cache in Fetch just because of the dependency?
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  432. # [16:10] <annevk> wanderview: the other bit of rationale was that Cache is bigger than SW
  433. # [16:10] <wanderview> annevk: I guess I'm wondering if Cache should just be its own spec at this point
  434. # [16:11] <annevk> wanderview: different idea I had was to create storage.spec.whatwg.org and put it there along with new storage features
  435. # [16:12] <annevk> zcorpan: are implementers interested?
  436. # [16:12] <zcorpan> annevk: don't know
  437. # [16:13] <wanderview> annevk: not sure I have enough experience with spec stuff to really say which would be better... the OCD person inside me says Cache should be its own spec and depend on Fetch and storage specs
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  439. # [16:16] <annevk> wanderview: yeah, if setting up a spec had no costs that might be "better"
  440. # [16:16] <annevk> zcorpan: that would be my main worry if we wanted to architect something a bit more predictable
  441. # [16:19] <Domenic> annevk: what "new storage features"?
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  443. # [16:20] <annevk> Domenic: see whatwg@whatwg.org and e.g. https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Storage
  444. # [16:20] <Domenic> ah, that one
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  446. # [16:21] <annevk> It's time to define the storage architecture...
  447. # [16:21] <annevk> And expose some of its primitives yadayada
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  471. # [17:04] <zcorpan> opinions, people who care about readonly attributes on window? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24160 (cssom-view)
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  474. # [17:07] <caitp> don't readonly attributes on window run the risk of breaking old sloppy mode JS?
  475. # [17:08] <zcorpan> caitp: in strict mode you get TypeError. non-strict is like no-op setter
  476. # [17:09] <caitp> yeah, but if people expect the setter to not be no-op, then it's a problem :x
  477. # [17:10] <zcorpan> yes
  478. # [17:10] <zcorpan> [Replaceable] solves that
  479. # [17:14] <caitp> the hacks people come up with to make sense of this platform:>
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  483. # [17:18] <zcorpan> there is no sense :-)
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  485. # [17:21] <jgraham> Like nonsense?
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  488. # [17:29] <wanderview> annevk: looking at https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Storage... why put StorageManager on Navigator?
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  490. # [17:30] <wanderview> how does a Worker access it? (I thought navigator was window only)
  491. # [17:30] <annevk> wanderview: workers have navigator
  492. # [17:30] <wanderview> oh, ok
  493. # [17:32] <wanderview> annevk: I like that API for v1... I imagine some people will want finer grained estimates, but doing the whole origin/storage area seems a good start
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  495. # [17:34] <annevk> yeah, if we can get the UX/UI sorted I'm pretty happy with this too
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  500. # [18:02] <JakeA> Domenic: annevk: thoughts on cancellable promises vs cancellable tokens https://gist.github.com/jakearchibald/9a24f3c06f06b9c06a1e
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  545. # [19:23] <annevk> JakeA: that issue... also, we should probably start using "cancelable" (see color and other American spelled terms)
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  547. # [19:24] <annevk> JakeA: will try to review tomorrow
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  552. # [19:34] <annevk> jgraham: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1715#commitcomment-10548986 given that, it's reviewed, right?
  553. # [19:35] <annevk> jgraham: also, did critic disappear?
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  570. # [19:55] <Domenic> annevk: JakeA: yeah, like Event.prototype.cancelable
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  587. # [20:12] <Domenic> JakeA: left comments
  588. # [20:15] <JakeA> Domenic: annevk: ah, sorry, didn't realise the UK thing
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  590. # [20:15] <Domenic> It's OK, I didn't actually know which was American vs. UK, I just sometimes spell it one way and sometimes another.
  591. # [20:16] <Domenic> That's one argument in favor of abort, but then again I'm not looking forward to the html5rocks article on promise abortions
  592. # [20:16] <boogyman> finally{}. is not an "oncancelled", it is "always execute when complete" workflow, unless i am mistaken @ Domenic
  593. # [20:16] <Domenic> boogyman: yes, exactly, that was my point.
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  607. # [20:37] <benjamingr> lol, promise abortions sounds like something that'd spur public debate in the us
  608. # [20:37] <benjamingr> Promise cancellation really confuses me :D
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  619. # [21:01] <JakeA> Promises are way more complicated than they look, but you can get most stuff done knowing 90%. I think cancellable promises will be the same
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  622. # [21:03] <JakeA> Although most of the people I meet who make a living from JS don't know how to create one object that extends another
  623. # [21:03] <JakeA> That's why I like the class syntax sugar
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  647. # [21:35] <jgraham> annevk: Yes. Critic may have got a bit behind which can happen sometimes.
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  649. # [21:38] <bradleymeck> sweet delicious finally
  650. # [21:39] <bradleymeck> so many memory leaks when you aren't sure if something is done, guarantees are nice. I am still sad that generators don't have a way to invoke finally if they go into the GC
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  653. # [21:41] <annevk> jgraham: anyway, I got review on GitHub so can I merge or someone else?
  654. # [21:42] <annevk> jgraham: never mind, Mike already did it :-)
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