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  55. # [02:12] <Domenic> wanderview: sorry for being afk for the day
  56. # [02:13] <Domenic> wanderview: I don't really know why the promises cases take longer to settle, but I could guess that it's more work to JIT through all the extra stuff that's going on.
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  60. # [02:14] <Domenic> wanderview: I agree that the async read() only on byobReader design would work. I don't think they should have the same method name though... same-named methods on similar classes should behave the same I think.
  61. # [02:15] <Domenic> wanderview: but I think it's unfair to say performance penalty, as discussed/benchmarked :)
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  72. # [02:51] <wanderview> Domenic: I have results that show a more significant perf penalty on mobile devices
  73. # [02:52] <wanderview> Domenic: I was trying to understand the FF native results before posting to the issue, but this is what I have so far: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rl6mbD2z1x1bgJLD6y9KJLYWjppB7BujfiWvUMjYTVs/edit?usp=sharing
  74. # [02:53] <wanderview> Domenic: bluebird promises are always at a penalty compared to sync on my nexus5... native promises are also worse than sync for as few as 32 chunks
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  76. # [02:53] <wanderview> I don't have the results in there, but my firefoxos Flame is even worse (as its a lower spec'd phone)
  77. # [02:55] <wanderview> Domenic: btw, the ?chunks= stuff in my test don't work with chrome because it doesn't implement URLSearchParams part of URL spec... do you know of a good alternative? I'd like to run the test there
  78. # [02:55] <wanderview> Domenic: also, I added a size= option to control the size of the chunks... so I can set size=1 to avoid mixing in GC pressure from the buffers
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  80. # [02:57] <caitp> is anything blocking URLSearchParams? didn't see any mention of blockers on arv's bug. seems like it would be a good gsoc project
  81. # [02:58] <wanderview> Domenic: also a chunks=auto to run all those chunk sizes in my google doc
  82. # [02:59] <caitp> or maybe too fast for gsoc, but a good starter project maybe
  83. # [03:00] <wanderview> I'm going to redo the google doc results with ?chunks=auto&size=1 for consistency
  84. # [03:06] <wanderview> hmm... I get different sync results when using native promise vs bluebird... probably from GC/CC differences... I think I will split sync out into a separate test
  85. # [03:07] <caitp> not sure how you're doing sync tests at all with promises
  86. # [03:08] <wanderview> caitp: its sync test, promise test, sync test, promise test, etc... interleaved... I think objects left from promise runs are effecting sync runs due to GC
  87. # [03:08] <caitp> mm
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  93. # [03:31] <wanderview> *much* more stable results moving sync and promise tests into separate windows
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  127. # [04:58] <wanderview> actually... the test results were bogus... many of the results were being limited by setTimeout() clamping at 4ms
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  145. # [05:28] <wanderview> summarized my profiling results in the issue: https://github.com/whatwg/streams/issues/320#issuecomment-91418297
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  216. # [09:10] <mcnesium> my new wordpress does have a valid rss feed but safari on iOS and OSX do not show the "reader" sign. any idea what might be wrong? http://mcnesium.com
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  289. # [12:50] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: why recommend before </body> now that it uses a getter?
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  293. # [12:55] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: just the general best practice, since <script> blocks
  294. # [12:56] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: k
  295. # [12:58] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: i found http://johndyer.name/native-browser-get-set-properties-in-javascript/
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  297. # [12:59] <mathiasbynens> zcorpan: In IE8, `Object.defineProperty` only works on DOM objects, so that’s fine in this case. Not sure if it’s worthwhile to add IE < 8 support
  298. # [13:03] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: yeah. maybe not. i can point to that in the blog post if people need IE6-7 support (or other old browsers with __defineGetter__)
  299. # [13:04] <zcorpan> mathiasbynens: thanks for doing the polyfill
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  389. # [18:17] <smaug____> is there some plan or API proposal for animation frame callbacks in workers?
  390. # [18:18] <smaug____> for the cases like webgl in workers
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  403. # [18:40] <espadrine> smaug____: as in, having worker-only canvas contexts?
  404. # [18:42] <espadrine> there's this: https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/WorkerCanvas
  405. # [18:42] <espadrine> no idea what state it is in
  406. # [18:44] <smaug____> well, that is the canvas part, but I wonder if there is a plan to expose animation frame callbacks on worker side somehow
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  414. # [19:04] <zcorpan> ask rick byers
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  457. # [20:17] <Domenic> #lazyirc if I dispatch a click event on a radio button or checkbox, that should be the same as .click()ing it, right? and .click() should trigger an event?
  458. # [20:19] <Domenic> I guess testing this myself is the easiest thing to do, instead of reading the specs
  459. # [20:22] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Indeed. (To just testing it yourself, the specs are a rathole on this kind of thing usually.)
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  476. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> Domenic, click() triggers event, not the other way around
  477. # [20:54] <Domenic> Right, but triggering the event also checks the box
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  480. # [20:57] <Ms2ger> I don't believe it should
  481. # [20:57] <Ms2ger> smaug____, ^
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  484. # [21:01] <smaug____> click() does trigger the link...
  485. # [21:01] <smaug____> in practice implementations dispatch click event and do default handling during the dispathc
  486. # [21:01] <smaug____> dispatch
  487. # [21:02] <smaug____> the spec has still the different model
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  489. # [21:05] <smaug____> per spec dispatching click event shouldn't change the checked state, IIRC
  490. # [21:05] <smaug____> nor follow <a href="foo">
  491. # [21:06] <smaug____> but I think the web disagrees
  492. # [21:06] <smaug____> click is one of the special cases
  493. # [21:06] <smaug____> usually events must be trusted in order to trigger default action
  494. # [21:06] <smaug____> blink has tons of issues with this
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