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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 11 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  27. # [01:18] <wanderview> Domenic: it appears the native chrome promises clamp to 4ms delays like setTimeout... that seems like a pretty bad bug for promises
  28. # [01:18] <Domenic> wanderview: no waaaaayyyy
  29. # [01:18] <wanderview> I just made the defaults for the benchmark do the automated thing... so running the tests on chrome
  30. # [01:19] <Domenic> wanderview: I think benchmarkjs must be screwing us somehow... I trust it less :(
  31. # [01:19] <wanderview> Domenic: happy to fix it... but so far the data seems consistent to me
  32. # [01:20] <Domenic> wanderview: I am probably going to have to push off working on the benchmark until the weekend/Monday... today is running out of hours
  33. # [01:20] <Domenic> I'm excited about this user-space microtask queue idea
  34. # [01:20] <wanderview> Domenic: np... I will be offline until Monday... getting on a plane and then family time
  35. # [01:21] <wanderview> Domenic: it will be interesting to see the case of the js microtask and a pure js closure per callback.... thats still something to GC, but avoids some of the native promise wackyness
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  38. # [01:23] <wanderview> Domenic: the reason I say chrome native promises are clamping... the benchmark shows ~210 ops/sec for the sync case with only 1 chunk...
  39. # [01:24] <Domenic> wanderview: so my guess is benchmarkjs uses setTimeout and so the most async benchmarkjs cases you can run is 250 ops/sec...
  40. # [01:27] <wanderview> Domenic: yes, but the promise.resolve().then(() => deferred.resolve()); should prevent the clamping from occurring, no?
  41. # [01:27] <wanderview> maybe we should try benchmark.js 2.0... jdalton indicated the sync deferred.resolve() is not permitted any more
  42. # [01:27] <Domenic> wanderview: I don't really understand how setTimeout clamping works so I'm not sure ...
  43. # [01:27] <Domenic> I am feeling a desire to go back to your manual tests, but just run them in a loop
  44. # [01:28] <wanderview> Domenic: if setTimeout() nests.. so setTimeout(() => setTimeout(() =>setTimeout()));... if it nests 4 or 5 times it forces the delay to a minimum of 4ms
  45. # [01:28] <wanderview> its in the spec
  46. # [01:28] <Domenic> I think maybe in Chrome setTimeout() is just always clamped to 4ms
  47. # [01:28] <Domenic> I remember bugs
  48. # [01:29] <wanderview> in Firefox the microtask schedule breaks the nesting behavior because it forces the stack back to nothing... I think chrome should do the same, but it does not
  49. # [01:29] <wanderview> ah
  50. # [01:29] <wanderview> yea
  51. # [01:30] <wanderview> even with the clamping the benchmark is still useful to see the curve
  52. # [01:30] <wanderview> we just can't trust the ~210 values
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  55. # [01:33] <wanderview> Domenic: I can also see that with chrome the CPU is not maxing out on the low tests... definitely the clamping
  56. # [01:35] <wanderview> I wonder if the perf penalty from promises really is GC of objects
  57. # [01:38] <wanderview> chrome on android does do better with bluebird promises...
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  73. # [02:30] <Domenic> Yeah promises would really benefit from GCs knowing about their existence... V8 is resistant to that idea. Maybe we can create a benchmark for Firefox to beat them on :)
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