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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 17 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Domenic> TabAtkins: also what happened to CSSWG specs using up-to-date references? They are all to /TRash URLs now
  4. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> HTML5 should be html.spec.whatwg.org. What do you want for it?
  5. # [00:01] <Domenic> It is not
  6. # [00:01] <Domenic> https://streams.spec.whatwg.org/#index-defined-elsewhere
  7. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> It certainly is in the linking database.
  8. # [00:02] <TabAtkins> Oh, [[HTML5]]
  9. # [00:02] <Domenic> No
  10. # [00:02] <Domenic> [[HTML]] works
  11. # [00:02] <Domenic> but in link defaults I have the problem described
  12. # [00:02] <Domenic> So my document is mostly html.spec.whatwg.org but any cross-reffed terms end up referring to the fork
  13. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> Unfortunately, that's the biblio ref for "HTML5" in SpecRef. :/
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  15. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> I'd have to verify, but I think if you manually specify a biblio reference in a <pre class=biblio> it'll override the default data.
  16. # [00:04] <Domenic> Does Link Defaults and [[bracket syntax]] use the same mapping?
  17. # [00:04] <TabAtkins> And the Index generation kinda just guesses that the shortname will match an appropriate biblio ref. The naming bullshit around the HTML fork is messing this up.
  18. # [00:04] <TabAtkins> No, Link Defaults is about linking, using the linking database (it just defaults some of the link attributes on certain terms). [[foo]] is a biblio, using the biblio database.
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  20. # [00:04] <Domenic> ok
  21. # [00:04] <TabAtkins> The two are separate for practical and historical reasons.
  22. # [00:05] <Domenic> can we add to/fix the linking database?
  23. # [00:05] <TabAtkins> Yeah, PR the SpecRef project on GitHub.
  24. # [00:05] <Domenic> I think I see
  25. # [00:06] <Domenic> I think html is supposed to work
  26. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> github.com/tobie/specref/
  27. # [00:06] <Domenic> But it is missing structured clone
  28. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> Rather, there *is* no spec named "html" in the linking database.
  29. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> It's called html5 there.
  30. # [00:06] <Domenic> no there is one
  31. # [00:07] <Domenic> https://github.com/tobie/specref/blob/master/xrefs.json#L1626
  32. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> That file's irrelevant.
  33. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> Bikeshed doesn't use Tobie's xrefs, just the biblio.
  34. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> It uses its own linking database, generated by Shepherd.
  35. # [00:07] <Domenic> oh damn
  36. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> Heh, sorry.
  37. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> You can check it by going to bikeshed/bikeshed/spec-data/anchors.data
  38. # [00:07] <Domenic> ok, so, can we get Shepherd to work better?
  39. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Yeah, lemme see if I can tweak it to call the spec "html".
  40. # [00:08] <Domenic> does Shepherd have any entries for html.spec.whatwg.org?
  41. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Shepherd *only* parses the real HTML spec. All the linking database entries are for it.
  42. # [00:09] <Domenic> Then why did https://streams.spec.whatwg.org/#index-defined-elsewhere happen
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  44. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> I already explained it. ^_^ The Index generation sorta just hopes that the linking shortname is also the correct biblio reference.
  45. # [00:09] <Domenic> Ahhh yes was just connecting the dots
  46. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Because, unfortunately, there's no explicit connection between the two databases.
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  48. # [00:09] <Domenic> ok sweet
  49. # [00:10] <TabAtkins> That's why some of the CSS refs in the index don't work; the biblio name for them doesnt' match their shortname yet.
  50. # [00:10] <TabAtkins> And it's annoying to mess with SpecRef there, because it does automated dumps of biblio refs from the TR.xml generated by the W3C, so if I change things it'll just revert itself later.
  51. # [00:10] <TabAtkins> Need to figure out how to get around that.
  52. # [00:11] <TabAtkins> Really, I probably just need to check Shepherd's spec data first; it's less complete (won't generate quite as high-quality of a biblio entry), but it's synced with the linking database names.
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  55. # [00:13] <Domenic> Well we've got two suffering specs now so no pressure :P
  56. # [00:13] <TabAtkins> I know, I know. File an issue on me or I'll forget.
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  58. # [00:17] <Domenic> I often want to add you to the WHATWG GitHub org just so I can assign issues to you
  59. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> Do it?
  60. # [00:17] <Domenic> Sounds good
  61. # [00:17] <Domenic> I'll also file a Bikeshed issue
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  238. # [08:28] <annevk> TabAtkins: why are things such as "contains(token)" not marked up with <code>?
  239. # [08:30] <annevk> TabAtkins: interface Range lost its Constructor annotation
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  241. # [08:30] <annevk> TabAtkins: as did Document
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  243. # [08:33] <annevk> Does not seem too hard to restore...
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  279. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: I wonder how long it will be until somebody creates a Chuck Tingler book-cover generator
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  286. # [10:00] <zcorpan> so this is how people are writing their pages now huh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24532799/gap-between-picture-and-next-element-because-of-container-height
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  297. # [10:38] <annevk> TabAtkins: dfn.js breakage is https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/issues/391
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  318. # [11:56] <_1_kallu23> hi
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  322. # [11:59] <jiojiajiu> Hello, is there analog specification for http://www.w3.org/TR/animation-timing in Whatwg?
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  325. # [12:08] <annevk> jiojiajiu: it's part of the HTML Standard these days
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  329. # [12:15] <jiojiajiu> annevk: thank you, I've found it
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  345. # [13:39] <annevk> yeah maybe
  346. # [13:40] <annevk> at least until we figure out the service/shared worker tension
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  507. # [19:14] <TabAtkins> annevk_: Oh man, sorry for apparently dropping the constructor annotations. Copy-paste error I guess.
  508. # [19:14] * annevk_ is now known as annevk
  509. # [19:14] <annevk> was easy to fix
  510. # [19:14] <annevk> I filed some issues on bikeshed from other things I found
  511. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> Thanks. Today will be spent ripping out most of my method-linking code and making it not a hacky pile of shit.
  512. # [19:15] <annevk> TabAtkins: you also replaced what I think was the only actual title="" with lt="" :-P
  513. # [19:16] <TabAtkins> Ahahaha
  514. # [19:16] <TabAtkins> Sorry, reflex.
  515. # [19:16] <TabAtkins> Out of curiosity, what was it?
  516. # [19:16] <annevk> TabAtkins: search for "F."
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  519. # [19:17] <annevk> hmm "F. H" is unique
  520. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> hahaha
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  522. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> Hmmm on the <script> thing. I purposely move <script> and <style> into the head, so the doc will validate better. Can dfn.js just use an onload handler + async instead of requiring placement?
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  524. # [19:19] <annevk> Hmm I guess we could do that
  525. # [19:19] <TabAtkins> It's a better practice anyway. ^_^
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  533. # [19:52] <Domenic> No it's not ...
  534. # [19:52] <Domenic> <script>s at the bottom of the body seems much better
  535. # [19:52] <Domenic> <style>, sure
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  539. # [19:57] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Fails validation, though, doesn't it?
  540. # [19:57] <Domenic> No
  541. # [19:57] <TabAtkins> Ah, then whatever I guess, I'll kill the <script> movement.
  542. # [19:57] <TabAtkins> I assumed it was the same as <style>.
  543. # [20:01] <TabAtkins> And done.
  544. # [20:01] <Domenic> \o/
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  552. # [20:18] <annevk> *claps*
  553. # [20:18] <TabAtkins> I aim to please.
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  567. # [20:51] <annevk> Domenic: the third was `frames` btw
  568. # [20:52] <annevk> nobody mentioned it thus far
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  570. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> frames?
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  574. # [20:53] <annevk> Ms2ger: frames === window === self
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  576. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> I see
  577. # [20:53] <annevk> Ms2ger: some lame thread on es-discuss on standardizing on global as a way to reference the global nay WindowProxy because these three were not sufficient
  578. # [20:54] <annevk> I don't
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