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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 20 00:00:00 2015
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  21. # [01:02] <theseb> help! why got this? "Synchronous XMLHttpRequest on the main thread is deprecated because of its detrimental effects to the end user's experience."
  22. # [01:04] <jgraham> Because you did a synchronous XHR on the main thread, which is detrimental to the end user's experiene
  23. # [01:04] <jgraham> *experience
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  25. # [01:06] <theseb> jgraham: how move to another thread?
  26. # [01:07] <theseb> jgraham: is that the answer?
  27. # [01:07] <jgraham> Probably the answer is to use asynchronous XHR instead
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  29. # [01:07] <jgraham> That's almost always easier than movoing to another thread (or rather Worker)
  30. # [01:08] <jgraham> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/XMLHttpRequest/Using_XMLHttpRequest
  31. # [01:08] <theseb> brython.info has some examples that WORK and don't fall over...i guess i'll have to see how they avoid getting the error i got
  32. # [01:11] <jarek> theseb: you are aware that ES6 will support most of the Python features?
  33. # [01:11] <jarek> theseb: I would rather use something like Traceur instead of Brython if you want more expressive langauge
  34. # [01:11] <theseb> jarek: never heard of it..thanks..
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  36. # [01:14] <jgraham> Yeah, so there are disadvantages of using languages that do sync io by default and targeting an environment where sync io is a bad idea
  37. # [01:15] <jgraham> But it looks like browser.ajax should support async requests
  38. # [01:15] <jgraham> xhr = browser.ajax()
  39. # [01:16] <jgraham> xhr.bind("loaded" on_loaded)
  40. # [01:16] <jgraham> xhr.open("GET", "http://yahoo.com", True)
  41. # [01:16] <jgraham> xhr.send()
  42. # [01:17] <jgraham> Where on_loaded is a function you define
  43. # [01:17] <jgraham> http://brython.info/static_doc/en/ajax.html
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  67. # [03:08] <MikeSmith> marcosc: ping
  68. # [03:08] <MikeSmith> just landed
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  70. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> Stallman is on the plane here
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  78. # [03:39] <theseb> MikeSmith: what?
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  184. # [09:35] <yongc> Is this a place for asking questions about MIME Sniffing doc?
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  190. # [09:48] <Ms2ger> Sure
  191. # [09:48] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, ^
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  193. # [09:54] <yongc> 1. In step 8 ""While sequence[s] is not equal to the U+002F SOLIDUS character ("/"), continuously execute the following steps". So for the content-type "type; parm=value" will set type as "type;parm=value" if there is no ''/" used type,parm,value.
  194. # [09:54] <yongc> 2. In step 8.2 "If sequence[s] is undefined, return undefined", what's the undefined for sequence[s] mean? Non US-ASCII character?
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  196. # [09:58] <Ms2ger> I imagine "read past the end of the sequence"
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  201. # [10:12] <yongc> @Ms2ger, Thanks, from RFC2045, seems "/" is mandatory
  202. # [10:13] <Ms2ger> Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it'll always be there
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  204. # [10:16] <yongc> hmm, but the doc doesn't handle this.
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  269. # [14:10] <GPHemsley> Yes, "type;parm=value" will eventually terminate at step 8.2 and return undefined.
  270. # [14:10] <GPHemsley> yongc: ^
  271. # [14:10] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: ^
  272. # [14:11] <Ms2ger> Does the spec explain somewhere that indexing a sequence at EOF yields "undefined"?
  273. # [14:12] <GPHemsley> "Let sequence be the byte sequence of the MIME type, where sequence[s] is byte s in sequence and sequence[0] is the first byte in sequence."
  274. # [14:13] <GPHemsley> That's intended to imply that if there is no byte s in sequence, then sequence[s] is undefined.
  275. # [14:13] <GPHemsley> "A byte sequence is a list of one or more bytes, such that the position of the first byte and the position of the last byte are unambiguously identifiable."
  276. # [14:14] <GPHemsley> Perhaps that definition could be extended, if necessary
  277. # [14:14] <jgraham> "intended to imply" doesn't sound great
  278. # [14:14] * jgraham hasn't actually read the text to see if you actually mean "unambiguously states"
  279. # [14:14] <GPHemsley> jgraham: Well, I'm just spelling out my intention of what I meant.
  280. # [14:15] <GPHemsley> jgraham: I'll leave it to others to determine whether it matches what I wrote. ;)
  281. # [14:15] <GPHemsley> https://mimesniff.spec.whatwg.org/#parse-a-mime-type
  282. # [14:15] <jgraham> Well based on what you have written in channel, it doesn't
  283. # [14:16] <GPHemsley> If it doesn't, then what behavior would be expected?
  284. # [14:16] <jgraham> I have no idea. It seems to be entirely undefined. Maybe your printer is supposed to catch fire?
  285. # [14:17] <jgraham> Or do you mean "expected by the web"?
  286. # [14:17] <GPHemsley> So, it's undefined that it's undefined?
  287. # [14:17] <jgraham> Yes
  288. # [14:17] <GPHemsley> k
  289. # [14:18] <GPHemsley> Do you think the definition of "byte sequence" is an appropriate place to define it?
  290. # [14:18] <GPHemsley> (Because I use the construct a lot throughout)
  291. # [14:18] <GPHemsley> s/the/this/
  292. # [14:18] <jgraham> It seems like you need to define it where you define the indexing operation
  293. # [14:18] <GPHemsley> dang, ok
  294. # [14:21] <jgraham> I mean you should probably define indexing notation in a single place in the spec
  295. # [14:21] <GPHemsley> yeah
  296. # [14:21] <jgraham> Or define a <dfn>element of</dfn> operation on sequences that works like indexing but without brackets
  297. # [14:21] <GPHemsley> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28519
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  350. # [16:27] <Domenic> wanderview: yeah, seems like it would allow a .read(view) that modifies view in-place instead of returning a promise fulfilled with a new view backed by the same memory.
  351. # [16:28] <Domenic> that was actually the original plan (more or less) until we realized it would cause user-observable data races
  352. # [16:28] <Domenic> now that everyone's like "oh those are fiiiiine" then i guess we can do it, for SAB.
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  389. # [17:34] <wanderview> Domenic: or are these races something the SAB spec hasn't thought of?
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  391. # [17:34] <Domenic> wanderview: SAB is specifically designed to allow races to be exposed to the web
  392. # [17:34] <Domenic> because that's the only way you can compile C++ to asm.js
  393. # [17:34] <wanderview> Domenic: btw, in this update to the memory promise issue gist... can you explain how that lets the chain get dropped? it seems obervable .then requires the chain to be maintained: https://gist.github.com/wanderview/16f2839ba57514a625c4#comment-1435869
  394. # [17:35] <Domenic> wanderview: there's no return, so no chain actually gets set up
  395. # [17:35] <Domenic> I think there might be a solution that allows both, have yet to test it
  396. # [17:35] <wanderview> Domenic: the last promise could be elided... but doesn't the chain have to exist?
  397. # [17:36] <wanderview> Domenic: I mean... if thats the case we could just collapse promises between the first and last
  398. # [17:36] <Domenic> wanderview: no? there's no way to create a chain if there's no returns
  399. # [17:36] <bradleymeck> there are also uses for shared memory, but it should be seen as a wart still
  400. # [17:36] <Domenic> wanderview: maybe i am confused what you meant by the chain has to exist
  401. # [17:36] <bradleymeck> shared locks and transferance is nice
  402. # [17:36] <wanderview> Domenic: oh... I thought you just did the if(!chunk) done() step... didn't see you dropped the other return
  403. # [17:37] <Domenic> yeah
  404. # [17:37] <bradleymeck> shared read locks would make me really happy
  405. # [17:37] <wanderview> Domenic: when I talked to bz about this issue he seemed to think the observable .then was the root of the problem...
  406. # [17:37] <Domenic> it might be
  407. # [17:37] <Domenic> I think there might be a way to use observable .then to collapse the chain "as you build it", but if there's not, then we'll just have to get rid of observable .then I think.
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  652. # [23:21] <MikeSmith> https://mobile.twitter.com/ramunas_m/status/590241532613156864
  653. # [23:21] <MikeSmith> is that true?
  654. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> "End of an era. Opera software sacks 70 employees. Desktop team in Oslo is pretty much disbanded."
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  656. # [23:22] <Ms2ger> That was a long time coming, if so
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  665. # [23:41] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I don't know, but I was there for two Opera "rightsizings" and each time the press reported the end of the company
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  667. # [23:41] <MikeSmith> jgraham: true
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  670. # [23:44] <tantek> the press loves to report the end of things as well the amazing launch of some new vaporware
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