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  180. # [08:45] <annevk> hayato: I think I'll create an event tracking bug for Shadow DOM
  181. # [08:46] <annevk> hayato: to enumerate the various changes we discussed last week and have some kind of overview of that
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  184. # [08:47] <hayato> annevk: you'll file a bug? I'm fine with it. Let's summarize what are required.
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  192. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> lots hotter here today than it was in San Francisco yesterday
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  215. # [09:56] <annevk> Ms2ger: the reason I pushed it is mostly so that others can take it and finish it
  216. # [09:56] <Ms2ger> Ah
  217. # [09:56] <annevk> Ms2ger: but maybe at some point I can get back to it
  218. # [09:56] <Ms2ger> Not it :)
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  295. # [13:28] <annevk> hayato: for parent/child across boundaries I suggest we introduce "composed parent/child", "deep parent/child", etc. and all their friends
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  315. # [14:47] <jgraham> OK, this is bothering me. Does anyone remember where that Hixie quote about going to fix something and ending up having to rebuild the foundations of the (house? city?) is?
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  318. # [15:05] <MikeSmith> sorta vaguely remember that but don't remember the specifics (except that I do think it was about ending up rebuilding the whole house)
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  328. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> hallvors: so is http://jsfiddle.net/670s9usk/ in fact a solution for feature-detecting Clipboard API support?
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  336. # [15:55] <hallvors> MikeSmith: yes, it might be *a* solution. Not sure if it's perfect..
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  340. # [15:58] <hallvors> one of the flaws is that it can't run really early on - it needs a document where you can create some selection.
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  343. # [16:02] <hallvors> but it might be a workable solution..
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  367. # [16:47] <Domenic> jgraham: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe."? Carl Sagan
  368. # [16:47] <Ms2ger`> Not quite that :)
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  370. # [16:48] <Ms2ger`> More like "if your apple pie is slightly too big for your oven, invent a new universe"
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  374. # [16:51] <jgraham> s/invent a new universe/realise that the underlying problem is a poor choice of fundamental physical constants/
  375. # [16:51] <jgraham> and I geuss s/if /find /
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  425. # [19:02] <annevk> smaug____: wouldn't components want to dispatch events for internal usage?
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  434. # [19:09] <smaug____> annevk: well, so far they haven't wanted that
  435. # [19:09] <smaug____> I'm not really against the flag being exposed
  436. # [19:09] <annevk> baby steps I guess
  437. # [19:09] <smaug____> but let's just not expose random stuff we think might be needed
  438. # [19:09] <smaug____> yeah
  439. # [19:09] <annevk> the main thing people have asked for that isn't there is no retargeting
  440. # [19:10] <smaug____> (odd flight, only ~20% of the seats were taken)
  441. # [19:10] <annevk> there's workarounds in the form of deep* but not quite the same since a bunch of events end up never reaching the top
  442. # [19:10] <annevk> (I had a spare seat which was nice, but mostly full)
  443. # [19:11] <smaug____> I think we may want to rethink the "let's always retarget "
  444. # [19:11] <annevk> Assuming we go with visible/hidden/isolated terminology, I would kind of prefer that in visible there is no retargeting by default, but the Polymer guys don't seem to enjoy that idea
  445. # [19:11] <smaug____> though, if we weren't retargeting always, wouldn't some scripts still possibly want the deep stuff in case they do use retargeting
  446. # [19:12] <annevk> So Polymer wants retargeting + deep*
  447. # [19:12] <smaug____> sure
  448. # [19:12] <smaug____> well, so far apparently only deepPath
  449. # [19:12] <annevk> But Polymer is just a match of Web Components so it's hard to take it for granted...
  450. # [19:12] <annevk> Yeah also weird
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  457. # [19:14] <annevk> Domenic: visible to the light DOM
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  480. # [19:17] <Domenic> annevk: I think "visible" describes non-shadow DOM (light DOM), it doesn't describe any kind of shadow DOM
  481. # [19:18] <Domenic> Indeed "hidden" describes it better since it's hidden from selectors and behind .shadowRoot.
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  493. # [19:34] <annevk> Domenic: shadow / hidden / isolated kind of works
  494. # [19:34] <annevk> Domenic: shadowPath might even be okay then
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  501. # [19:41] <annevk> maybe hiddenShadow / isolatedShadow since they're all shadow tree in some way...
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  505. # [19:55] <Domenic> yeah i dunno was just trying to come up with something that makes it clear it's not business as usual
  506. # [19:55] <Domenic> I still like censored since it's descriptive of what's actually happening instead of trying to be an abstract concept
  507. # [19:59] <SimonSapin_> Is SVG Tiny relevant to the web?
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  513. # [20:05] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin_: I think most people would answer that no it is not
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  515. # [20:05] <SimonSapin> ok, thanks
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  528. # [20:29] <gsnedders> How do I get Blink people to notice a site-compat bug?
  529. # [20:29] <gsnedders> Namely, https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=481591
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  531. # [20:35] <caitp> pinging some of the blink guys in here might be a start
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  533. # [20:37] <gsnedders> I'm assuming a several of the Google people will ntoice. And not bothering to disturb them. Yet.
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  547. # [20:58] <MikeSmith> also there's always the #blink and #chromium channels here
  548. # [20:58] <MikeSmith> that's what I use
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  550. # [20:58] <gsnedders> tbf I feel a bit bad doing that because if everyone who reported bugs did that…
  551. # [20:59] <MikeSmith> well, not everybody does
  552. # [20:59] <MikeSmith> and also, you're not just everybody
  553. # [20:59] <MikeSmith> and also, that's what I do, so axiomatically it must be OK
  554. # [20:59] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: fine, you win
  555. # [21:00] * MikeSmith awards himself a beer
  556. # [21:00] <caitp> triagers would probably get to it over night anyways
  557. # [21:00] <caitp> but getting someone in here to look at it quick might get the right people CC'd quickly
  558. # [21:00] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  560. # [21:02] <Ms2ger`> MikeSmith, but what if everyone did that?
  561. # [21:03] * MikeSmith gets Ms2ger`'s point and buys stock in beer before everybody else starts to realize what's going to happen
  562. # [21:04] <Ms2ger`> :D
  563. # [21:04] <caitp> hah
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  626. # [23:23] <jgraham> jsbell: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/4822 https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/4823
  627. # [23:25] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: SVG Tiny is definitely *not* web-relevant. It was never implemented anywhere except maybe one of the weirder Opera variants.
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  629. # [23:26] <jsbell> jgraham: thx. will take a look
  630. # [23:26] <pdr> A few of the svg tiny features were pulled into svg2 such as vector-effects: non-scaling-stroke
  631. # [23:26] <jgraham> https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/4825
  632. # [23:26] <wanderview> jsbell: I am writing a bunch of these? want me to email you or just add to the review somehow?
  633. # [23:26] <wanderview> I mean... I am writing a bunch of these
  634. # [23:26] <jsbell> wanderview: both?
  635. # [23:27] <wanderview> jsbell: I expect to have 8 or 9 PRs when I am done
  636. # [23:27] <wanderview> jsbell: summary of them is in the bug list here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1154325#c19
  637. # [23:27] <wanderview> you can hover over the links to see the summary
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  639. # [23:28] <wanderview> I'll add you to the future reviews
  640. # [23:29] <jgraham> jsbell: You should set up a critic filter for /service-workers/
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