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  46. # [00:57] <nathanjosiah> With the recent addition of rebeccapurple, it got me thinking. What is the possibility of adding satangrey for #666?
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  53. # [01:05] <hober> nathanjosiah: not gonna happen
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  56. # [01:07] <nathanjosiah> What about MarkOfTheBeastGrey?
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  58. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> nathanjosiah: We added rebeccapurple as a service for one of the most important people in CSS's history. We're not actually interested in adding more named colors.
  59. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> Also, #666 is incredibly unsatanic anyway.
  60. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> (It expands to #666666 anyway, which is technically known as "double satan")
  61. # [01:09] <tantek> |m|
  62. # [01:10] <TabAtkins> |m| o |m|
  63. # [01:11] <nathanjosiah> So "doublesatangrey" then?
  64. # [01:11] <TabAtkins> No.
  65. # [01:11] <nathanjosiah> Ok...
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  67. # [01:11] <TabAtkins> "We're not actually interested in adding more named colors."
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  69. # [01:12] <TabAtkins> (I'm the editor of the Color spec, so you can take this as definitive. ^_^)
  70. # [01:12] <nathanjosiah> It just seems like a missed opportunity :)
  71. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> The missed opportunity was putting together a named color system that wasn't incredibly shitty. But we missed that opportunity over a decade ago.
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  73. # [01:13] <tantek> X11 FTW!
  74. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> nathanjosiah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmStJQzclHc
  75. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> Wash your mouth out with soap, tantek.
  76. # [01:18] <nathanjosiah> TabAtkins: I would have to agree that the naming got a bit unwieldy.
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  144. # [04:46] <TabAtkins> annevk: Could you email me the URL source file that generated that error? I have no idea how you're getting that. ^_^
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  148. # [04:59] <TabAtkins> Hm, I actually like "flow" for the inline stuff.
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  150. # [04:59] <TabAtkins> So "display:inline" is "inline-level flow" and "display:block" is "block-level flow".
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  152. # [05:00] <TabAtkins> (Shamelessly stolen from the Box Module.)
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  179. # [06:16] <TabAtkins> Whoops, last several lines posted to the wrong room.
  180. # [06:20] <annevk> TabAtkins: which error again?
  181. # [06:21] <annevk> TabAtkins: the one for URL?
  182. # [06:21] <annevk> TabAtkins: I just put {{Node/baseURI}} where I currently referenced baseURI
  183. # [06:21] <TabAtkins> annevk: Right, but you've clearly got something weird going on in the rest of the document to cause that. {{Foo/bar}} is used in *tons* of specs, and it's never caused that weird error.
  184. # [06:22] <TabAtkins> So I need the whole source document, so I can figure out what you've done that's causing the error
  185. # [06:22] <TabAtkins> Or what I've somehow done, in such a way that no one else has ever triggered the error despite it being latent in the code.
  186. # [06:22] <annevk> TabAtkins: it's just https://github.com/whatwg/url with that modification
  187. # [06:22] <TabAtkins> kk
  188. # [06:22] <TabAtkins> I'll look into it tomorrow, thanks.
  189. # [06:22] <annevk> cool
  190. # [06:23] <annevk> appreciate it
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  192. # [06:23] <TabAtkins> I don't like my users getting strange errors. ^_^
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  335. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> annevk: FYI http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/ac-licensing/?full#8
  336. # [11:17] <MikeSmith> annevk: https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2015/04-invited-expert.html
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  339. # [11:24] <annevk> MikeSmith: still seems awfully conservative, but I guess good for them
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  342. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah but I think despite suboptimal wording still, it effectively makes it clear that it's not placing any restrictions on what invited experts can or can't do with their own work that they've authored
  343. # [11:27] <MikeSmith> anyway, specifically, good on Wendy
  344. # [11:27] <annevk> MikeSmith: ah yeah, the IE stuff is good
  345. # [11:27] <annevk> MikeSmith: the awfully conservative was about the rest of those slides
  346. # [11:28] <MikeSmith> ah ok
  347. # [11:31] <tantek> annevk: yes, conservative for a largely conservative audience. Wendy tailored it appropriately IMO.
  348. # [11:31] <tantek> and yes, I'm pretty happy with the IE stuff - hoping you are too.
  349. # [11:31] <tantek> (have been pushing on all this, IE agreement, licensing, A LOT in the AB)
  350. # [11:32] <annevk> Still a far cry from what the WHATWG does
  351. # [11:34] <annevk> tantek: it's fine, it doesn't matter much to me anymore
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  353. # [11:34] <annevk> tantek: maybe it would've helped in 2012 when I was still dabbling between W3C and WHATWG
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  362. # [11:52] <MikeSmith> annevk: Michiel Leenaars was here yesterday
  363. # [11:52] <MikeSmith> from NLnet
  364. # [11:53] <annevk> oh cool
  365. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> yeah was good to see him
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  374. # [12:17] <annevk> It's amazing how much the Web Applications Security WG wants to break security
  375. # [12:18] <annevk> And continues to be ignorant about SOP and CORS
  376. # [12:18] <tantek> annevk: [meme with citation needed]
  377. # [12:18] <gsnedders> What are they doing now?
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  379. # [12:19] <annevk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2015May/thread.html#msg23
  380. # [12:19] <annevk> I should probably stop replying though, that was my bad
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  383. # [12:23] <annevk> I have this idea for headers of standards I author:
  384. # [12:24] <annevk> Contribute: GitHub links; Discuss: IRC and mailing list; Commits: GitHub commits and Twitter
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  386. # [12:24] <annevk> bz pointed out that omitting the mailing list goes a bit far as some high-level discussion is oftentimes still warranted
  387. # [12:24] <annevk> Feedback appreciated
  388. # [12:24] <Domenic> Discussion should be on GitHub
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  421. # [13:30] <annevk> roc?
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  437. # [13:58] <annevk> TabAtkins: I still want a new named color... "whatwggreen" as it's impossible to remember
  438. # [13:59] <darobin> hahaha
  439. # [14:00] <darobin> or maybe change the green?
  440. # [14:00] <tantek> annvek what's the hex?
  441. # [14:00] <darobin> "what the hex" was pretty much my reaction too
  442. # [14:00] <tantek> "Who cares about specs, what color shall we paint the WHATWG?"
  443. # [14:00] <darobin> well duh
  444. # [14:01] * annevk views source on https://resources.whatwg.org/logo-encoding.svg and finds #3c790a
  445. # [14:01] <annevk> (that's pretty much the process I repeat whenever I need it)
  446. # [14:02] <annevk> Oooh
  447. # [14:02] <annevk> W3C AC still partying like it's 2004: https://twitter.com/fabien_gandon/status/596229047476170753
  448. # [14:02] <darobin> maybe add a shortcut to your text editor?
  449. # [14:02] <tantek> annevk - lololol yeah that moment was pretty hilarious
  450. # [14:03] <tantek> I think I actually LOLed when the speaker said that.
  451. # [14:03] <annevk> darobin: heh, I wonder if OS X supports those shortcuts the iPhone does
  452. # [14:03] <jgraham> It's not 2004‽
  453. # [14:03] <annevk> darobin: could make whatwggreen convert automatically
  454. # [14:04] <annevk> darobin: so when I type whatwgreen, all you see is #3c790a
  455. # [14:04] <tantek> annevk: CSS Variables?
  456. # [14:04] <annevk> no OS-bound variables
  457. # [14:04] <darobin> the second hit (and many subsequent) for that colour are actually WHATWG https://duckduckgo.com/?q=3c790a&ia=answer
  458. # [14:04] <annevk> might be useful for passwords too, type "password" get ****
  459. # [14:04] <darobin> it's pretty distinctive
  460. # [14:04] <darobin> or maybe ugly distinctive
  461. # [14:05] <annevk> distinctive enough for a named color?
  462. # [14:05] <annevk> why yes
  463. # [14:05] <darobin> annevk: that think with passwords works
  464. # [14:05] <darobin> annevk: I mean if I type ********** you'll only see **********, even though I typed **********
  465. # [14:06] <annevk> All I see is hunter2
  466. # [14:06] <darobin> :)
  467. # [14:08] <darobin> annevk: I don't think it's very different from #360, which is the closest web safe colour
  468. # [14:08] <darobin> (and is easy to remember)
  469. # [14:09] <annevk> data:text/html,<body style=background:%23360>
  470. # [14:09] <annevk> data:text/html,<body style=background:%233c790a>
  471. # [14:09] <annevk> 360 is quite a lot darker here
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  473. # [14:10] <darobin> annevk: it is darker, but I find it to be not too much darker (especially if not a background)
  474. # [14:11] <darobin> but, *shrug*, it's just a quick and dirty solution that doesn't require a standard :)
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  476. # [14:11] <jgraham> Oh, web safe colours, I remember those
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  479. # [14:15] <tantek> annevk: #471 looks pretty close
  480. # [14:16] <annevk> tantek: seems like a productive meeting :-P
  481. # [14:17] <annevk> I don't think we'll change the color at this point
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  522. # [15:53] <oyiptong> howdy, i was wondering if someone knows Fred Andrews <fredandw@live.com>
  523. # [15:53] <oyiptong> i'm trying to contact him because i'd like to know more about Private Script Context
  524. # [15:53] <oyiptong> http://www.w3.org/community/pua/wiki/Private_Script_Context
  525. # [15:53] <oyiptong> i know the initiative is dead
  526. # [15:53] <oyiptong> but i'm trying to contact the author
  527. # [15:57] <MikeSmith> oyiptong: this is probably the last place in the world you're likely to find somebody who's in contact with him
  528. # [16:01] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  529. # [16:01] <tantek> why is there a PUA (pick-up artist?!?) community in W3C?
  530. # [16:03] * jgraham hopes they are only trying to score codepoints
  531. # [16:04] <miketaylr> MikeSmith: i made the bogus suggestion to oyiptong -- i saw that fred had authored something on the whatwg wiki at some point
  532. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> ah ok
  533. # [16:04] <miketaylr> man of mystery
  534. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> yeah
  535. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> he sort of disappeared from discussions a while back
  536. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> after the EME/DRM dust-ups
  537. # [16:05] <miketaylr> yeah, haven't seen his name on lists in a few years it seems
  538. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> yeah
  539. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> not missed, honestly
  540. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> except for the entertainment value
  541. # [16:05] <miketaylr> probably got a nicer brand of tinfoil that blocks email as well as government mind reading
  542. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> hahah
  543. # [16:06] <miketaylr> i should get some too
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  545. # [16:06] <MikeSmith> I could share some of mine with you
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  548. # [16:09] <oyiptong> tantek: i thought the name was very unfortunate too!
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  555. # [16:22] <oyiptong> hmm indeed. the tinfoil is strong in this one
  556. # [16:23] <oyiptong> that would explain his untraceability
  557. # [16:24] <oyiptong> i'm coming at it from a privacy perspective. what if we exposed some apis into the user's private data, but that data would only be accessible via a private context
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  729. # [22:06] <BigPants> from a development perspective it seems a shame not to expose it, since it's there anyway
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