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  45. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> is this true? https://twitter.com/w3be/status/611306366758727681 (that browsers fall back to UTF-8 for unknown/supported values of charset; e.g., charset=utfX or charset=utf9)
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  47. # [01:43] * MikeSmith tries Chris Weber's tool at http://www.lookout.net/test/charsets/iana-charset-support/ to see
  48. # [01:44] <MikeSmith> hmm yeah, "utf16" -> UTF-8
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  50. # [01:47] <Domenic> No way...
  51. # [01:48] <MikeSmith> far as I can see
  52. # [01:48] <MikeSmith> hyphens are important :)
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  54. # [01:57] <Domenic> I wonder about the header vs. the meta tag
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  62. # [02:23] <MikeSmith> Domenic: hmm yeah
  63. # [02:25] <MikeSmith> and I'm just trusting that tool of Chris's is testing what it seems to be testing (because too lazy to try testing it directly right now)
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  65. # [02:25] <MikeSmith> I'm busy reading through the now-finally-not-a-private-repo-any-more wasm stuff
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  67. # [02:26] <MikeSmith> after weeks of luring on the #webassembly IRC channel and trying to reverse-engineer from check-in comments that commit bot posts there
  68. # [02:27] <MikeSmith> *lurking
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  71. # [02:29] <jsbell> MikeSmith: re: encodings - https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/#names-and-labels
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  76. # [02:33] <jsbell> depends on context, but if it's not in the table the result is "failure" - which means depends on context
  77. # [02:33] <MikeSmith> jsbell: I guess annevk needs to update the "utf-8" row in that table to say "also any string that's not a name or label for any other encoding listed in this table"
  78. # [02:33] <jsbell> for html, it's still good ol' windows-1252
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  80. # [02:33] <MikeSmith> oh
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  82. # [02:34] <MikeSmith> jsbell: so is http://www.lookout.net/test/charsets/iana-charset-support/ not showing what it seems to be showing?
  83. # [02:34] <MikeSmith> or are all UAs just not conforming on this?
  84. # [02:36] <MikeSmith> hmm now that I say that out loud I realize already know that HTML parsers fall back to windows-1252
  85. # [02:36] <jsbell> ugh, contentDocument.charset/characterSet is a whole nother set of aliases/logic...
  86. # [02:36] * MikeSmith drafts reply to Chris Weber
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  91. # [02:37] <jsbell> well, I was missing context so I'm not sure I'm helping.
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  93. # [02:38] <jsbell> hrm, those aliases aren't as bad as I remember apparently: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/encoding/resources/encodings.js
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  96. # [02:41] <karlcow> TabAtkins: +1 to the meta element in SVG. that would save a lot of insanity.
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  99. # [02:42] <heycam> that, and link, would make my life easier writing reftests
  100. # [02:42] <TabAtkins> Yeah, we want it for a few other things, too, like declaring SVG Params (the ability to set a CSS custom property via a query parameter).
  101. # [02:42] <TabAtkins> Yeah, <link> too.
  102. # [02:43] <heycam> but it would need us to finally come up with a plan for supporting these from-HTML elements without duplicating them in the SVG namespace
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  104. # [02:43] <heycam> (a plan that everyone can live with, that is; we've had a couple of plans...)
  105. # [02:43] <TabAtkins> The only "issue" is that in an XML syntax you need to specify the HTML namespace for them.
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  107. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> (Note that we're now finally actively looking into just using the foreign-content parser for standalone SVG. More than just talk, finally.)
  108. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> (That would avoid the need; HTML elements would just be given the HTML namespace automatically.)
  109. # [02:45] <heycam> TabAtkins, is that Blink experimenting with using HTML parser for standalone SVG documents?
  110. # [02:45] <TabAtkins> Yeah.
  111. # [02:45] <heycam> do you have a link for any discussion/announcement?
  112. # [02:45] <TabAtkins> Not yet, just internal discussions. We're throwing around some use-counters right now.
  113. # [02:46] <heycam> ok. look forward to hearing the outcomes.
  114. # [02:46] <TabAtkins> (Attempting to eliminate XML from our engine entirely, if possible. We only need it for SVG, XHR.responseXML, and XSLT.)
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  117. # [02:47] <TabAtkins> Moving SVG to the HTML parser would be easy and better for authors (consistent syntax), XHR we'll see if we can move to a simplistic parser like XML5 or similar. XSLT, lol I dunno.
  118. # [02:47] <heycam> I thought you already were going to just implement XSLT in JS
  119. # [02:48] <TabAtkins> That's vaguely the plan, yeah.
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  121. # [02:49] <boogyman> TabAtkins: re: (the ability to set a CSS custom property via a query parameter). <-- What's the use-case? Why would you want the client to control the aesthetics of your app?
  122. # [02:50] <TabAtkins> boogyman: SVG images that can have colors/etc set at time of use. <img src="logo.svg?main-color=blue">
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  125. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> You have to pre-declare which properties are Params, to prevent arbitrary screwing around.
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  140. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> ah rektide
  141. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> it didn't take you long
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  143. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/emscripten-discuss/k-egXO7AkJY/GLqWCJCPnqwJ
  144. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> you need one of those signs man
  145. # [03:27] <MikeSmith> "The End is Near"
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  166. # [05:27] <hayato> Does someone know why DocumentFragment doesn't support innerHTML? It looks only Element support it.
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  168. # [05:33] <hayato> The context is https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=497175 . I am wondering how ShadowRoot.innerHTML should behave.
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  172. # [05:57] <Domenic> hayato: there was a thread a few years back, let me find it
  173. # [05:57] <Domenic> hayato: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0663
  174. # [05:58] <hayato> Domenic: Thank you!
  175. # [05:59] <Domenic> lots of support from blink people, here's some from Moz... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0670.html
  176. # [06:00] <Domenic> Here's some from rniwa... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0675.html
  177. # [06:01] <Domenic> this one outlines some of the hard cases... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0766.html
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  179. # [06:02] <Domenic> <a> is a problem, SVG vs. HTML https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0812.html
  180. # [06:03] <Domenic> so in conclusion, people like it, but edge cases are probably hard
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  182. # [06:10] <rniwa> Domenic: I don't think you should consider my comment in 2011 as endorsement from WebKit project
  183. # [06:10] <rniwa> Domenic: since i was working for Google at the time.
  184. # [06:10] <Domenic> haha right, ok
  185. # [06:11] <rniwa> (note that i would necessarily oppose to this particular proposal)
  186. # [06:11] <boogyman> rniwa: were you speaking on behalf of yourself or the company?
  187. # [06:14] <rniwa> boogyman: in public-webapps, I was a representative of Google until October 2012.
  188. # [06:15] <rniwa> boogyman: now I'm a representative of Apple
  189. # [06:15] <boogyman> cheers
  190. # [06:15] <rniwa> boogyman: do I speak on behalf of my employer? probably not.
  191. # [06:16] <rniwa> boogyman: do my opinions change based on goals/needs of my employer? absolutely.
  192. # [06:17] <boogyman> Understood. classic User v Business model for making decisions.
  193. # [06:18] <rniwa> yeah, each company has its own priority and rightly so.
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  208. # [07:10] <annevk> MikeSmith: yeah, there's no defaulting to utf-8
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  215. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah I don't know what Chris's test is doing
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  219. # [07:30] <annevk> MikeSmith: when can you review the new URL tests?
  220. # [07:30] <MikeSmith> in a few hours
  221. # [07:30] <annevk> MikeSmith: thanks!
  222. # [07:30] <annevk> MikeSmith: I might create some more today, and I'm super bad with git
  223. # [07:31] <annevk> so I'd rather not get a bunch of merge conflicts
  224. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> OK
  225. # [07:31] <MikeSmith> I reckon I can get to it within 1 hour
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  247. # [08:36] <MikeSmith> annevk: gedaan
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  252. # [08:49] <annevk> MikeSmith: sugoi
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  259. # [08:55] <annevk> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/2717ed0b937d4612bd18261559bd0dd7800fba96 this looks really bad... SRI fixes shouldn't affect all those files...
  260. # [08:56] <annevk> Or is that just how bad merges go? How do we know that did not overwrite any other work? Seems impossible to review...
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  262. # [08:59] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah that stuff is all because Joel flubbed and ended up with a branch merge tin that PR
  263. # [08:59] <MikeSmith> unfortunately with git that's a very easy mistake to make
  264. # [08:59] <MikeSmith> but it's not hard to unwind
  265. # [08:59] <annevk> But how do we know nothing bad happened?
  266. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> you can look at the commits separately
  267. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> though he should probably re-submit another PR with the same commits minus that merge
  268. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> or I can do it for him and he can clone the branch I make
  269. # [09:01] <annevk> well all the commits already went into master
  270. # [09:01] <annevk> oh well
  271. # [09:01] <annevk> perhaps there should be some tighter control on who can do the final commits so the whole thing makes a bit more sense
  272. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> ah christ you're right
  273. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> I thought he had committed to a branch
  274. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> yeah that's .. not so great
  275. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> but we can still unwind it
  276. # [09:03] <annevk> I've started doing things the Domenic-way for my repos so you don't even get merge commits
  277. # [09:03] <MikeSmith> annevk: about tighter control we have a soft policy that nobody should commit any of their own changes to master
  278. # [09:03] <annevk> I just attribute authorship through --author although that's rather cumbersome
  279. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> yeah that works too
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  281. # [09:04] <annevk> I want GitHub to support an author field in their client
  282. # [09:04] <annevk> So I can just use @domenic or some such
  283. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> I've never used their client
  284. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> I just use the git comment
  285. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> *command
  286. # [09:04] <annevk> I guess I should learn to use that
  287. # [09:05] <annevk> Main problem with the command line and me is multiline stuff
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  289. # [09:05] <MikeSmith> man I hope Joel did all that by mistake. I mean as far as committing it master
  290. # [09:05] <annevk> Well and remembering all the silly parameters
  291. # [09:06] <MikeSmith> Brad reviewed that PR, but it didn't have those branch merges in it when he reviewed it
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  294. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> what probably should have better happened is that Brad just pushed the merge button in the github UI after he reviewed it
  295. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> what seems to have happened instead is that Joel committed the branch merges after Brad had reviewed it, then Joel pushed that
  296. # [09:08] <MikeSmith> anyway, nothing fatal
  297. # [09:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: also, web-platform-tests has a lot of old branches
  298. # [09:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: I assume not all of those are active anymore
  299. # [09:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: could we maybe kill some of them?
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  303. # [09:19] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah I will right now
  304. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> kill some
  305. # [09:20] <annevk> Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170774#c4 should be documented on the wiki
  306. # [09:20] <annevk> Amount of WHATWG Standards is slowly growing
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  313. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> may a hundred flowers bloom
  314. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> and a hundred schools of thought contend
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  319. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> annevk: deleted all the old branches I safely could
  320. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> many of the remaining ones were either created by jgraham or Ms2ger and have no associated PR so they would need to check and see if it's a branch they're planning to work again on ever or not
  321. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> annevk: btw one of those branches-in-limbo is yours, https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/encoding-and-css
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  323. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> with https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/02ac3d372060393f4c0a6a0f29a95dd9f0ee8fda
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  331. # [10:14] <annevk> I wonder if we should require owners to setup 2-factor auth... https://github.com/orgs/whatwg/people
  332. # [10:15] <annevk> MikeSmith: yeah I know, I was hoping someone would take that over
  333. # [10:15] <annevk> MikeSmith: but despite all the talk from the i18n WG, nothing much materialized
  334. # [10:15] <MikeSmith> annevk: well it's not doing any harm so you could just leave it
  335. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> annevk: no comment 😆
  336. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> we need a template for that sentence
  337. # [10:17] <MikeSmith> "despite all the talk from [aaa], nothing much materialized"
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  345. # [10:46] <annevk> heh
  346. # [10:47] <annevk> There's that skeleton meme...
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  365. # [12:01] <philipj> annevk: do you have a preference about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1165851#c41 ? I'm trying to measure something here, but what do you think the most likely end-state of the spec will be?
  366. # [12:02] <annevk> philipj: my preference is 1 as well
  367. # [12:02] <annevk> philipj: I have good hopes that's fine, smaug____ seems to think otherwise
  368. # [12:03] <smaug____> it is just very weird API if it can't be used with SVG
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  370. # [12:03] <philipj> annevk: ok, so if I'm to measure differences, it's exactly what the spec currently says, plus a "lowercase localName if the document is an HTML document" as part of createAttribute?
  371. # [12:03] <smaug____> I'd then make setAttributeNode to throw with SVG elements in html documents
  372. # [12:03] <philipj> smaug____: there's still createAttributeNS and setAttribute
  373. # [12:04] <smaug____> sure
  374. # [12:04] <philipj> smaug____: what end state do you think would be better?
  375. # [12:04] <smaug____> but attributes are rarely in any namespace, so I wouldn't expect the API user to remember that *NS should be used with SVG
  376. # [12:04] <smaug____> of course no one should use Attr nodes
  377. # [12:05] <annevk> smaug____: I don't think making any method throw improves the status quo
  378. # [12:05] <philipj> from the code I've found, people are already assuming that case doesn't matter with createAttribute, doing things like createAttribute("frameBorder")
  379. # [12:05] <annevk> smaug____: perhaps making setAttribute() more magical to recognize SVG attributes would
  380. # [12:06] <smaug____> annevk: well, it would make it clear that if #1 is taken, createAttribute is totally broken with svg
  381. # [12:06] <smaug____> (and MathML too)
  382. # [12:06] <smaug____> philipj: but case does matter on SVG
  383. # [12:06] <annevk> we could rather than lowercase all the things also recognize https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#adjust-svg-attributes
  384. # [12:07] <annevk> smaug____: it's not totally broken with SVG
  385. # [12:07] <philipj> smaug____: yes, but I found zero cases of SVG attribute together with createAttribute
  386. # [12:07] <annevk> smaug____: it works just fine for most SVG usage
  387. # [12:07] <annevk> smaug____: even more so for MathML
  388. # [12:07] <philipj> annevk, smaug____, how about modifying Attr.localName inside setAttributNode?
  389. # [12:07] <annevk> smaug____: there's only one MathML attribute that's not lowercase
  390. # [12:08] <annevk> philipj: that's prolly only feasible if Attr's are not really nodes
  391. # [12:08] <philipj> at least there's an element around in that case
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  393. # [12:09] <philipj> annevk: why?
  394. # [12:09] <smaug____> the number of non-lowercase doesn't matter, if there is just one. Either the API should work with SVG and MathML, or it shouldn't. The buggy "works occasionally, if you remember to not use it with camelCase attributes" sounds rather horrible to me
  395. # [12:09] <annevk> philipj: never mind, might be okay either way, but also somewhat magical
  396. # [12:09] <smaug____> philipj: that might work
  397. # [12:10] <smaug____> so, preserve case, but when setAttributeNode is called on html element in html document, lowercase?
  398. # [12:10] <philipj> annevk: sure, it's a bit odd, but technically it doesn't seem very hard
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  400. # [12:10] <philipj> smaug____: yes
  401. # [12:10] <annevk> I wouldn't really use setAttribute() most of the time anyway... Most attributes have a dedicated getter/setter pair you can use instead
  402. # [12:13] <philipj> assuming that no createAttribute() hack works out, would the next best thing be to lowercase input in all other setters and do case-insensitive lookups in getters, removers, and hasAttribute?
  403. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> No case-insensitive lookup, please
  404. # [12:15] <philipj> Ms2ger: is there another way if a createAttribute() fix doesn't work out? Just trying to figure out what's interesting to measure so we only have to wait for one release cycle
  405. # [12:15] <annevk> philipj: yeah, but we should do createAttribute()
  406. # [12:15] <annevk> I don't really care if that makes it impractical for some SVG usage, it shouldn't be used anyway
  407. # [12:16] <philipj> annevk: well I can get behind that. will it fly in Gecko code review, smaug____?
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  409. # [12:20] <smaug____> philipj: I don't now understand the proposal
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  411. # [12:21] <philipj> smaug____: annevk may correct me, but simply to convert localName to lowercase when createAttribute(localName) is called in an HTML document
  412. # [12:21] <smaug____> so #1
  413. # [12:21] <philipj> yeah
  414. # [12:21] <smaug____> which doesn't work with svg
  415. # [12:21] <philipj> right
  416. # [12:21] <philipj> so will it fly?
  417. # [12:22] <smaug____> I'd rather take "preserve case, but when setAttributeNode is called on html element in html document, lowercase"
  418. # [12:22] <smaug____> philipj: though, if telemetry shows that Attrs are never used with svg, then #1 would be fine. Horrible, broken API, but easy to implement
  419. # [12:23] <annevk> smaug____: that seems like a weirder API since currently names are immutable for all nodes in the DOM
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  421. # [12:24] <philipj> smaug____: ok, so if the telemtry requested in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1175031 shows that virtually no calls createAttribute() with non-lowercase input and then attaches that to a non-HTML document, it's OK?
  422. # [12:24] <philipj> +one
  423. # [12:24] <philipj> non-HTML element I mean
  424. # [12:25] <smaug____> at least I'd have hard time to object the behavior then :)
  425. # [12:25] <smaug____> philipj: non-HTMLElement
  426. # [12:25] <smaug____> not document
  427. # [12:25] <smaug____> the worrisome case is svg in HTML document
  428. # [12:26] <smaug____> I assume createAttribute won't lowercase ever in non-html documents
  429. # [12:26] <philipj> smaug____: right, that would be overkill
  430. # [12:26] <philipj> it would be very easy to measure how often setAttribute is called on an SVG element in an HTML document and the attr.localName is not lowercase
  431. # [12:26] <philipj> some other ideas would require tracking the source of the Attr object which seems less fun
  432. # [12:27] <philipj> or perhaps non-HTMLElement instead of SVGElement to be slightly more conservative
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  446. # [13:12] <annevk> beverloo: can you tell me where IsIPv4Char is defined within http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/url/ perhaps?
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  448. # [13:12] <annevk> Google's URL code is so much more complicated than that of Apple... I wonder what happened
  449. # [13:12] <beverloo> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch#chromium/src/url/url_canon_internal.h&q=IsIPv4Char&sq=package:chromium&type=cs&l=65
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  451. # [13:13] <annevk> That viewer is so much better!
  452. # [13:13] <beverloo> which maps to: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch#chromium/src/url/url_canon_internal.cc&q=kSharedCharTypeTable&sq=package:chromium&type=cs&l=110
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  454. # [13:13] <beverloo> It's got a search function too :) https://cs.chromium.org
  455. # [13:16] <annevk> So that kind of matches what I expected, but doesn't really explain why 100x.0.0.0 ends up as a normal host name and not as a failure...
  456. # [13:16] <annevk> I guess there's some rather arbitrary rulings when something becomes IPv4, "broken", or "not IPv4"...
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  510. # [16:16] <yoav> Hey! Anyone happens to know why in "<img src width='100*'>" the width is ignored?
  511. # [16:20] <smaug____> yoav: because of https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#rules-for-parsing-integers
  512. # [16:21] <yoav> smaug____: What I see is that * is special cased
  513. # [16:22] <yoav> e.g. "200^" is not ignored
  514. # [16:22] <smaug____> that is then a bug
  515. # [16:22] * smaug____ checks the implementation
  516. # [16:22] <yoav> http://jsbin.com/fonidicohi/edit?html,output
  517. # [16:22] <yoav> That's what I see in Blink
  518. # [16:23] <yoav> Oh, in Firefox it is not being special cased
  519. # [16:24] <yoav> I got a feeling this whole area needs a cleanup
  520. # [16:24] <yoav> special cased in WebKit as well
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  522. # [16:27] <smaug____> yoav: Gecko is doing something against the current spec
  523. # [16:27] <smaug____> in your test I see $ and * giving the same behavior
  524. # [16:27] <smaug____> both those are ignored
  525. # [16:28] <smaug____> yoav: and blink special cases * somehow
  526. # [16:28] <yoav> Yeah, in Blink/WebKit, only * drops the entire int
  527. # [16:28] <yoav> anything else after the digits is being ignored
  528. # [16:29] <smaug____> yoav: any idea why * is such special case?
  529. # [16:29] * smaug____ files a Gecko bug anyhow
  530. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Don't old-style frames use that?
  531. # [16:29] <yoav> My question exactly :D
  532. # [16:30] <yoav> I think I'll add use counters and try to rip that out if possible
  533. # [16:30] <yoav> and '%' too, for that matter (I doubt that would work though)
  534. # [16:48] <yoav> Ms2ger: Frames where using it inside their `width` attributes?
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  547. # [17:22] <JonathanNeal> In the CSS nesting spec, I can use a cartesian product to tie together the parent and child selectors. However, once parent references are involved, I’m lost. Any ideas?
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  549. # [17:31] <annevk> yoav: you might want to compare with parseInt()
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  552. # [17:36] <yoav> annevk: I see an explicit special casing for '*' before parsing the integer
  553. # [17:37] <annevk> heh
  554. # [17:41] <yoav> annevk: It's totally weird. I'll try counting occurrences and kill it with fire if it's not common (and it shouldn't be since it'd have been a compat issue with Firefox)
  555. # [17:45] <annevk> I guess it's frame parsing code reused because someone was lazy
  556. # [17:45] <annevk> wanderview: so we'll restrict the Cache API on time?
  557. # [17:45] <annevk> wanderview: wondering whether or not to ask that on the intent to ship thread...
  558. # [17:46] * annevk finds https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1175138
  559. # [17:46] <wanderview> annevk: I am currently planning to do a partial restriction and then implement the full restriction later... what do you think?
  560. # [17:46] <annevk> wanderview: yeah that sounds fine
  561. # [17:46] <annevk> wanderview: we need to see if we can restrict SharedWorker somehow
  562. # [17:46] <wanderview> chrome is already shipping caches on http I think... although maybe its just in beta
  563. # [17:47] <wanderview> annevk: my partial restriction will just be a scheme check to start
  564. # [17:47] <wanderview> https:// or localhost (or app: for fxos I guess)
  565. # [17:48] <annevk> wanderview: what if SharedWorker created from a secure context could never be accessed from an insecure context?
  566. # [17:48] <annevk> wanderview: and only such a SharedWorker gets the goodness?
  567. # [17:49] <wanderview> annevk: not sure... seems like we need a spec issue on whatever repo defines SharedWorker
  568. # [17:49] <annevk> wanderview: that is, the secure context would just add to the scope of a SharedWorker
  569. # [17:49] <annevk> HTML defines SharedWorker, but this needs to be monkey patched first
  570. # [17:49] <annevk> I'll file a bug on "POWER" I guess
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  572. # [17:50] <annevk> Oh, I can add to your issue: https://github.com/w3c/webappsec/issues/406
  573. # [17:50] <wanderview> annevk: yea, chrome shipping caches on window in 43... so I believe it allows caches to be used in non-trusted already
  574. # [17:50] <wanderview> ^shipping^shipped
  575. # [17:50] <annevk> bah
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  577. # [17:50] <annevk> Was sleevi sleeping?
  578. # [17:51] <annevk> And Joel? And Chris?
  579. # [17:52] <wanderview> annevk: yea... just tried it in the console in chrome release and it worked
  580. # [17:54] <annevk> https://github.com/w3c/webappsec/issues/406#issuecomment-113199509 has my proposal for truly secure shared workers
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  584. # [17:56] <yoav> annevk: Is the bit about frame parsing needing to special case '*' defined somewhere?
  585. # [17:56] <annevk> should be
  586. # [17:57] <annevk> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#frames-and-framesets
  587. # [17:57] <yoav> Thanks!
  588. # [17:57] <annevk> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#rules-for-parsing-a-list-of-dimensions
  589. # [17:58] <annevk> That's only used for frames
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  635. # [19:43] <annevk> Whoa whoa whoa
  636. # [19:43] <annevk> "Let mathInt be the mathematical integer value that is represented by Z in radix-R notation, using the letters A-Z and a-z for digits with values 10 through 35."
  637. # [19:43] <annevk> That's not very Allen-style...
  638. # [19:44] <annevk> But I'm going to steal that as it seems wonderfully short
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  641. # [19:49] <jgraham> Strictly speaking it doesn't define which digit maps to which symbol
  642. # [19:51] <annevk> I would be happy with better language. Was just looking for some inspiration for the IPv4 thingie
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  649. # [20:03] <MikeSmith> I wonder where TC39 is with progress on value objects http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:value_objects
  650. # [20:04] <annevk> MikeSmith: https://github.com/tc39/ecma262 has a better overview
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  652. # [20:04] <annevk> MikeSmith: I think you want https://github.com/dslomov-chromium/typed-objects-es7
  653. # [20:04] <annevk> MikeSmith: and maybe the SIMD stuff
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  655. # [20:09] <annevk> Whoa... (0x4334234).toString(33) is undefined. JavaScript is cutting a lot of corners
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  657. # [20:20] <caitp> to be fair, I'm not sure we actually use base 33 very often in practice
  658. # [20:22] <caitp> but wait, no, any radix between 2 and 36 is supposed to do the right thing and not be undefined >_-
  659. # [20:30] <deltab> (26231474015353).toString(31)
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  683. # [21:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: thanks
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  706. # [22:24] <annevk> https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/pull/195 "You'll have to join the W3C Community Group before we can [correct the link]."
  707. # [22:24] <annevk> That's a new level of absurdity right there
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  712. # [22:33] <caitp-> maybe you could just nudge someone whose already in the group?
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  714. # [22:34] <wanderview> annevk: wow
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  719. # [22:46] <Domenic> wait it's worse https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/pull/199
  720. # [22:50] <caitp-> azakai makes a good point though?
  721. # [22:56] <JoWie> they might as well lock all issues then
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