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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 02 00:00:00 2015
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  7. # [00:07] <smaug____> zcorpan: so resize event
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  15. # [00:11] * Topic is 'https://whatwg.org/ — logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ & http://logbot.glob.com.au/ — stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html — Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  16. # [00:11] * Set by MikeSmith!~mike@sideshowbarker.net on Wed Dec 10 17:23:43
  17. # [00:11] <smaug____> I couldn't land the patch implementing the behavior the spec has
  18. # [00:11] <smaug____> since it regresses performance
  19. # [00:11] <smaug____> this is the generic issue that too much stuff is happening around animation frame tick
  20. # [00:11] <smaug____> if an event listener takes much time, updating the graphics may be postponed too much
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  31. # [00:13] <zcorpan> smaug____: ok. the relative order of things is in the html spec, so file a bug for hixie
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  34. # [00:14] <smaug____> zcorpan: the issue is that I don't really have any good proposal how resize handling should be spec'ed
  35. # [00:15] <zcorpan> smaug____: file a bug anyway describing the problem :-)
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  39. # [00:16] * smaug____ files
  40. # [00:16] <smaug____> I think I filed a separate, but related bug to have a way to say a callback should be called after animation frame tick
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  49. # [00:20] <zcorpan> i need to sleep now. will be offline for some more weeks
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  51. # [00:21] <zcorpan> file bugs or send me email for anything i should look at later :-)
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  58. # [00:26] <smaug____> he left, but https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28876
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  125. # [04:10] <Domenic> penguin-breeder.org, really jochen__??
  126. # [04:11] <Domenic> ... huh ok it's a real thing
  127. # [04:11] <Domenic> (I was surprised that your email in bugzilla was at a ... strange ... domain name)
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  182. # [05:41] <Domenic> annevk: yeah... I am also feeling discouraged about custom elements now...
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  225. # [06:36] <Domenic> I thought those usually ended up on public-html
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  364. # [08:52] <annevk> philipj: Fullscreen: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27865 does this proposal seem reasonable to you?
  365. # [08:52] <annevk> philipj: xidorn is asking me to fix that to unblock unprefixing efforts in Gecko
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  392. # [09:42] <howdoi> say we have promise, which has a timeout in it, if we reject the promise, the timeout will not get rejected, which is the best way to handle this?
  393. # [09:42] <howdoi> Domenic's new proposal solves this?
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  415. # [10:25] <annevk> howdoi: wrap the rejection?
  416. # [10:25] <annevk> howdoi: so that you can also cancel the timeout?
  417. # [10:26] <howdoi> well, something like canellable promise
  418. # [10:26] <howdoi> ?
  419. # [10:26] <annevk> howdoi: I don't see why that would handle timeouts automatically
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  421. # [10:27] <howdoi> hmm
  422. # [10:27] <howdoi> it won't, but on cancelation clearing timeout will be done
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  428. # [10:36] <annevk> JakeA: https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/718
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  430. # [10:36] <annevk> JakeA: might have helped if some design input from Mozilla was taken
  431. # [10:37] <JakeA> annevk: still believe that SW without fetch is a rarity. Question is how much we should bend over backwards for the math.random case
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  440. # [11:02] <philipj> annevk: are you there? I'm a bit confused about something you took from https://github.com/inexorabletash/polyfill/commit/a9f17a7bacc588de674832b47241e22ebf40a676
  441. # [11:03] <annevk> philipj: okay
  442. # [11:03] <philipj> in the https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-childnode-replacewith steps, how can the parent change between step 1 and 5?
  443. # [11:03] <annevk> JakeA: it's not exactly bending over backward to make it opt-in
  444. # [11:03] <annevk> JakeA: just like every other service worker feature is
  445. # [11:03] <JoWie> bluebird had cancellable promises
  446. # [11:04] <philipj> annevk: Paritosh says something about mutation events, but the steps in between don't seem to do anything that could fire mutation events
  447. # [11:04] <annevk> philipj: if parent is in nodes
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  449. # [11:04] <annevk> oh wait
  450. # [11:04] <annevk> no
  451. # [11:05] <philipj> oh right, the convert step appends to a fragment, but does can that fire an event on any node you already had a reference to?
  452. # [11:05] <annevk> philipj: context object might have been inserted into the DocumentFragment
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  455. # [11:05] <philipj> annevk: oh, right
  456. # [11:05] <annevk> this is not taking into account mutation events
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  458. # [11:05] <annevk> mutation events are dead to the DOM spec
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  460. # [11:06] <annevk> an assumption we might have to revisit at some point I guess
  461. # [11:06] <philipj> annevk: ok, can you maybe add a note in the spec for this not-so-obvious check?
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  463. # [11:06] <philipj> I can file an issue if this is not a good time
  464. # [11:06] <annevk> "Note: context object might have been inserted into /node/."?
  465. # [11:07] <philipj> annevk: yeah, sounds good
  466. # [11:07] <philipj> s/might/may/ I guess, but I'm no jgraham
  467. # [11:07] <annevk> I'll make it could
  468. # [11:07] <annevk> may is normative
  469. # [11:08] <philipj> oh right
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  471. # [11:10] <JoWie> i could imagine synchronous mutation observation would be very useful for custom elements
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  473. # [11:11] <annevk> Hmm, DOM is hitting bikeshed errors again
  474. # [11:12] <annevk> FATAL ERROR: No 'argument' refs found for 'title'.
  475. # [11:12] <annevk> FATAL ERROR: No 'argument' refs found for 'deep' with for='Node/cloneNode(deep)'.
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  477. # [11:12] <annevk> I "fixed" the second one, though it seems like a bug in bikeshed, not sure about the first
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  479. # [11:19] <howdoi> When can we expect streams in the browser ?
  480. # [11:19] <howdoi> Domenic has a proposal from a very long time, right?
  481. # [11:20] <Domenic> howdoi: they're shipping in Chrome 43+
  482. # [11:21] <Domenic> and Mozilla announced they will be working on it
  483. # [11:21] <annevk> TabAtkins: I need your help
  484. # [11:21] <howdoi> wow! \o/ that's some good news! Thanks Domenic
  485. # [11:21] <annevk> TabAtkins: something seems screwy around optional arguments
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  487. # [11:22] <annevk> philipj: tracked adding a note in https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/48
  488. # [11:22] <philipj> annevk: thanks!
  489. # [11:27] <howdoi> Domenic: I'm on Version 43.0.2357.130, can I check streams out in canary?
  490. # [11:29] <Domenic> howdoi: no need for canary, but it will work there too. See https://googlechrome.github.io/samples/fetch-api/fetch-response-stream.html for a sample.
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  493. # [11:38] <howdoi> res.body.getReader()
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  502. # [12:01] <howdoi> was looking for readableStream.pipeTo(writableStream)
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  526. # [13:10] <annevk> davve: I wonder how you end up with 40l30 as path values there
  527. # [13:10] <annevk> davve: would have assumed three set of coordinates in the range 0-100
  528. # [13:11] <annevk> davve: for a triangle
  529. # [13:11] <annevk> I'm probably way too nitpicky about these logos though
  530. # [13:13] <davve> annevk: :) I'll try to grab the design savvy guy around before I optimize it too far.
  531. # [13:13] <annevk> Oh wait, now I paste it here I see that 1 is actually an l
  532. # [13:13] <annevk> fonts...
  533. # [13:14] <annevk> Though still a couple coordinates too many
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  538. # [13:28] <annevk> philipj: if we give elements a "fullscreen flag", would that not be enough to merge the two stacks?
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  544. # [13:38] <philipj> annevk: probably, I'm just wondering if the existing constraints should stay or not
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  546. # [13:39] <philipj> making it exactly as forgiving as the top layer rules sounds good to me, unless iframes make that somehow complicated
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  548. # [13:40] <annevk> philipj: in #content, Mozilla, xidorn is suggesting we just invent a new value for z-index, "topmost" or some such, and drop ::backdrop for fullscreen...
  549. # [13:40] <annevk> philipj: xidorn will email the WHATWG list with that proposal
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  552. # [13:50] <philipj> annevk: I don't see the connection between those things, the backdrop is to make the background black is it not?
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  555. # [13:54] <annevk> philipj: well you could style ::backdrop in any number of ways
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  557. # [13:55] <annevk> philipj: apparently Chrome and Gecko currently abuse z-index to implement the top layer
  558. # [13:55] <annevk> philipj: so there's not actually a top layer thing, except for <dialog> in Chrome
  559. # [13:57] <annevk> Domenic: I was thinking a bit about the day when IDL is more formalized
  560. # [13:57] <annevk> Domenic: presumably for IDL-defined methods it would have to invoke some kind of algorithm with a predictable name
  561. # [13:59] <annevk> Domenic: so you'd get something like the IDL specification "generating text" that ends up invoking NodeBaseURIGetter(this) for interface Node { readonly attribute DOMString baseURI };
  562. # [13:59] <annevk> Domenic: or maybe @NodeBaseURIGetter(this) since we'd want it to be internal
  563. # [14:00] <annevk> heycam|away: ^^
  564. # [14:00] <annevk> I think that's roughly where we want to go. It would also make specifications a lot more predictable in how they are structured and such...
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  566. # [14:06] <annevk> Domenic: so anyway, establishing some conventions for all this stuff would be great
  567. # [14:07] <annevk> Domenic: also, if we do this we'd no longer have the problem of people just invoking methods that could be prototyped over by JavaScript, since they'd just refer to the internal algorithms directly
  568. # [14:07] <annevk> Domenic: which incidentally matches what implementations are doing, so makes that clearer too
  569. # [14:07] <annevk> Domenic: so many wins
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  571. # [14:10] <Domenic> annevk: hmm, I'd always thought we'd handle that by saying Node instances have a [[baseURI]] internal slot, and baseURI returns that
  572. # [14:11] <Domenic> Then specs would say that they look at node@[[baseURI]]
  573. # [14:17] <philipj> annevk: correct, moving Fullscreen to the top layer in Blink is blocking shipping in Blink too
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  585. # [14:59] <annevk> Domenic: so that's the default algorithm for such a thing
  586. # [15:00] <annevk> Domenic: so IDL would probably say if "<var>Class</var><var>Property</var>PropertyGetter" is defined, invoke that, otherwise, return <var>Class</var>@[[<var>Property</var>]].
  587. # [15:00] <annevk> Domenic: because we have more complicated getters, setters, and method definitions that IDL can't predict
  588. # [15:02] <annevk> I guess I might be alone in finding that all somewhat nice...
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  590. # [15:03] <annevk> But it's been kind of a nuisance to me that the interaction between IDL and the rest of the platform is handwavy
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  597. # [15:17] <annevk> philipj: so discard what I said earlier about xidorn; he discovered IE is already shipping this so we'll go ahead
  598. # [15:18] <annevk> philipj: I'll make a pass through the spec replacing stack checks with top layer + fullscreen flag checks
  599. # [15:18] <annevk> philipj: I'm a bit sad how much synchronous layout this is, but I guess we had that already anyway
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  615. # [15:40] <philipj> annevk: what do you mean? adding and removing things to the top layer doesn't require sync layout does it?
  616. # [15:40] <philipj> it invalidates the layout, sure
  617. # [15:40] <philipj> it seems as long as the spec never says getBoundingClientRect() or some such there shouldn't be a problem?
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  620. # [15:41] <annevk> philipj: I guess it depends on where the top layer is
  621. # [15:41] <annevk> philipj: fair
  622. # [15:42] <philipj> annevk: if xidorn says it requires looking at the layout tree in Gecko I'm sure that's correct, it would just be very surprising to me
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  624. # [15:42] <annevk> I haven't been talking to xidorn about this, was just considering top layer a layout thing myself
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  629. # [15:43] <annevk> Which is probably wrong
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  693. # [18:20] <wanderview> JakeA: if I do a cache.addAll(urlList) and one of the url's results in a 404... what do you think cache should do?
  694. # [18:21] <wanderview> the spec seems to say it should stick the 404 in the cache
  695. # [18:21] <wanderview> is that expected?
  696. # [18:21] <JakeA> wanderview: yes, else it becomes a mechanism to detect 404s on other origins
  697. # [18:22] <wanderview> JakeA: so evt.waitUntil(cache.addAll(urls)) is not really adequate for installing an app then?
  698. # [18:22] <wanderview> since you might not have actually gotten all of them installed if one hit a 503 or something
  699. # [18:23] <JakeA> wanderview: I agree it's tricky, but you may want to cache a 404 to present to the user while offline
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  701. # [18:23] <JakeA> wanderview: I'd have liked it to fail on 404, but security says no (lemmie dig up the ticket)
  702. # [18:23] <wanderview> JakeA: ok... I'm willing to accept it... the WPT test case that verifies success for a non-existent resource just looked weird to me
  703. # [18:24] <annevk> wanderview: I recommend reading the topic :p
  704. # [18:25] <wanderview> JakeA: seems like just always accepting opaque responses and checking status code for other types might be safe?
  705. # [18:25] <wanderview> but whatever
  706. # [18:25] <JakeA> wanderview: I've been thinking about an option to add/addAll that would reject on 404 or any opaque response
  707. # [18:26] <annevk> please make it reject on any non-2xx response in that case
  708. # [18:26] <annevk> that would at least somewhat be founded in primitives
  709. # [18:26] <annevk> or make it an option of sorts
  710. # [18:26] <JakeA> agreed
  711. # [18:27] <JakeA> in fact, wanderview, here's me & you talking about it https://github.com/slightlyoff/ServiceWorker/issues/407#issuecomment-92341768
  712. # [18:27] <JakeA> annevk: looks like it uses response.ok
  713. # [18:27] <annevk> seems alright
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  716. # [18:28] <annevk> ah yeah, as I was saying there it should be an option for request, but I guess addAll could overwrite requests...
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  718. # [18:29] <wanderview> annevk: if we hit a cached resource, do we not get a 304?
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  720. # [18:29] <wanderview> or is that supposed to be silently converted to 200 using the cached value
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  722. # [18:29] <JakeA> wanderview: fetch handles that internally and returns the cached resource
  723. # [18:29] <wanderview> right, ok
  724. # [18:29] <annevk> (unless you have some specific settings)
  725. # [18:29] <wanderview> JakeA: it seems my response on that thread is pretty close to me current "but whatever"
  726. # [18:30] <wanderview> I agree its a bit weird for devs, though
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  728. # [18:33] <JakeA> wanderview: yeah, I tried to get the appcache behaviour through, but I think that was seen as a security error that they want to undo
  729. # [18:34] <wanderview> JakeA: annevk: btw, I ran into something in chrome that I was curious if it was spec'd or unique to implementation... I tried to do intercept https://foo.com with http://bar.com and chrome gave me a mixed content warning (should be blocked anyway for opaque navigation)
  730. # [18:34] <wanderview> was just curious about the mixed content thing, though
  731. # [18:35] <annevk> wanderview: I think that's because the SW fetched mixed content
  732. # [18:35] <annevk> wanderview: we should do that too
  733. # [18:35] <wanderview> annevk: but I don't see where that is blocked in the fetch
  734. # [18:36] <JakeA> annevk: shouldn't it just be blocked?
  735. # [18:36] <wanderview> blocked in the spec
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  737. # [18:36] <annevk> well before it's blocked it's mixed content
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  740. # [18:36] <wanderview> annevk: I mean... if it does a cors request to a http... it should work
  741. # [18:36] <JakeA> annevk: I thought the request would be blocked, so no mixed content happens
  742. # [18:36] <annevk> why would the request be blocked?
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  744. # [18:37] <JakeA> Because it's an http request from an https environment
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  746. # [18:37] <annevk> in https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#http-fetch step 2.2 a network error is returned for that response
  747. # [18:37] <annevk> JakeA: we allow that because of your podcast thing
  748. # [18:37] <wanderview> annevk: thats just for an opaque response, right? if I do a cors mode request to untrusted, it should work right?
  749. # [18:37] <annevk> wanderview: 'request is a client request and response's type is neither "basic" nor "default". '
  750. # [18:38] <annevk> wanderview: oh CORS
  751. # [18:38] <annevk> wanderview: that is blocked due to mixed content
  752. # [18:38] <annevk> wanderview: in step 4 of https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-main-fetch
  753. # [18:38] <JakeA> ahh ok, so no-cors requests are let through?
  754. # [18:39] <annevk> yes, because of you
  755. # [18:39] <annevk> I was kind of hoping we would block those too...
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  757. # [18:39] <annevk> (and I guess because it would make upgrading existing sites to use SW even harder)
  758. # [18:39] <wanderview> annevk: thanks
  759. # [18:39] <annevk> (but now we're there I'm not quite sure it was worth it)
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  761. # [18:40] <annevk> That you don't even remember how that went down suggests we should maybe reconsider that decision, since it was somewhat controversial at least with some people...
  762. # [18:40] <JakeA> I do remember
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  767. # [18:43] <JakeA> Being able to make a mixed request without a window to show the warning in feels wrong though
  768. # [18:43] <annevk> JakeA: sorry, didn't mean for this exchange to happen this way
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  770. # [18:43] <annevk> JakeA: yeah, I think we are disallowing that
  771. # [18:43] <annevk> JakeA: although we haven't specified it yet
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  773. # [18:44] <JakeA> annevk: this is making me think of event.client.fetch() again
  774. # [18:45] <annevk> JakeA: I'm just gonna hide in a corner now
  775. # [18:45] <JakeA> haha
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  777. # [18:45] <annevk> JakeA: I do actually have to go, it seems like you're in the better set of timezones again so we can discuss it tomorrow
  778. # [18:46] <JakeA> annevk: yeah, I'm in UK, will be in the office early tomorrow
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  861. # [21:37] <Ms2ger> Anyone have an explanation of why Postel's Law is a disaster handy?
  862. # [21:42] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2011/8/114933-the-robustness-principle-reconsidered/fulltext sees sane
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  864. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> ekr already pointed at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomson-postel-was-wrong/
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  870. # [22:10] * MikeSmith looks
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  873. # [22:10] <MikeSmith> wow
  874. # [22:10] <MikeSmith> nice
  875. # [22:10] <MikeSmith> Martin Thomson
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